I don't really see why it shouldn't
Or rather, why it shouldn't be seen as a legitimate sport
However, the olympics is about athletic ones, and thus it doesn't fit, just like chess
Reminder, Chess is an IOC recognized sport, before people start talking about the difference between physical sports and nonphysical, etc.
Sounds good, add Go and Chess while you are at it.
Excerpt from the article relevant to both mentions of chess in the comments here:
[quote]Take chess, for instance. Supporters of the game have long called for its inclusion the Games, but the IOC has been reluctant, considering it a "mind sport" and therefore not welcome in the Games.[/quote]
I really wish "mind sports" were more popular with the general public. I'm really in to Go and while it's popular, it doesn't get the recognition it deserves, it's a fantastic game.
[QUOTE=reevezy67;46785165]I really wish "mind sports" were more popular with the general public. I'm really in to Go and while it's popular, it doesn't get the recognition it deserves, it's a fantastic game.[/QUOTE]
I suppose it's because games like chess are generally relatively slow, quite a lot of people also find it too complicated to really follow
I do expect e-sports to become really big in the near future, though. Eventually most probably bigger than the current "conventional" ones.
They already show CS:GO and DOTA 2 championships on public TV here in Sweden
I don't agree with mind games being part of the olympics simply because the olympics are historically a contest of physical prowess dating way back to ancient greece.
Why not make another event for mind games instead of shoehorning it in?
There's also the problem that there are thousands of videogames and they are continuously developing, chess has remained the same for centuries
I guess I understand, in the case of Go or Chess you need to play in order to follow the games. Still a shame.
I mean I love video games but what
[QUOTE=proch;46785318]I mean I love video games but what[/QUOTE] people think they're being progressive by shoving it into places it shouldn't be for some reason
Keep actual athletic events and games competitions separate please.
they should have a special Olympics just for video games!
[editline]24th December 2014[/editline]
sorry i think I worded that wrong
Videogames don't really have the right format for the Olympics, not only are they changing constantly but they're usually direct confrontations or singleplayer experiences. And in game modes where each person is out for themselves one player's success often impedes another player temporarily. Being first in a race doesn't make it harder for another racer to run, killing another player temporarily takes them out of the game.
Games are different to other media because they're interactive. In the same way they're different to regular games because they're usually team based with direct confrontation.
Videogames don't need to appeal to old world institutions to gain respect, they just need build their own stuff and stand beside them.
What's wrong with having their own thing? Seems a lot of so-called AAA gaming corporations would be interested in having their own competitive arena.
Shoehorning video games into athletics just seems dumb to me.
[QUOTE=Rixxz2;46785051]I don't really see why it shouldn't
Or rather, why it shouldn't be seen as a legitimate sport
However, the olympics is about athletic ones, and thus it doesn't fit, just like chess[/QUOTE]
Esports are constantly facing blatantly obvious cases of corruption and setups so quite frankly that shit needs to be fixed before it gets any sort of credibility.
[QUOTE=Rixxz2;46785051]I don't really see why it shouldn't
Or rather, why it shouldn't be seen as a legitimate sport
However, the olympics is about athletic ones, and thus it doesn't fit, just like chess[/QUOTE]
Olympics had events like sewing and crochet at one point. Not even THAT long ago. I don't see why games can't be included
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;46785509]And in game modes where each person is out for themselves one player's success often impedes another player temporarily. Being first in a race doesn't make it harder for another racer to run, killing another player temporarily takes them out of the game.[/QUOTE]
You should liken it to rowing, basketball, football or rugby where you depend on your teammates more. Comparing it to running isn't right.
I really don't feel it belongs regardless, physical and nonphysical sports belong in two seperate events.
[QUOTE=bepassley;46785385]they should have a special Olympics just for video games![/QUOTE]
Our Special Olympics will be headed by Minecraft and Garry's Mod.
[QUOTE=Satane;46786215]So you do see why it shouldn't be in the olympics ?[/QUOTE]
I never said I didn't? (I did format it in a pretty stupid way, though)
[editline]24th December 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;46785624]Esports are constantly facing blatantly obvious cases of corruption and setups so quite frankly that shit needs to be fixed before it gets any sort of credibility.[/QUOTE]
Just like any other sport, you mean? :v: (or in any other area where there's money to be made)
If they're not done in the style of The Wizard's "Video Armageddon" then I'm not interested.
It shouldn't be in the olympics. At all.
E-sports are completely different than a real sport. There is no pain, no pushing, no real struggle besides you getting outwitted.
There is no training besides well, playing the game.
I mean, there is pushing if ur pushing B site after the bombs planted.
[QUOTE=SGTSpartans;46788204]It shouldn't be in the olympics. At all.
E-sports are completely different than a real sport. There is no pain, no pushing, no real struggle besides you getting outwitted.
There is no training besides well, playing the game.
I mean, there is pushing if ur pushing B site after the bombs planted.[/QUOTE]
plenty of music games and stuff that require inhuman hand movement stamina and what not. some games do require a level of physical exertion, like precision fine motor movements with the mouse
[QUOTE=.Lain;46788290]plenty of music games and stuff that require inhuman hand movement stamina and what not. some games do require a level of physical exertion, like precision fine motor movements with the mouse[/QUOTE]
dude if ur hands get tired from that stuff u need to lift.
edit: FUCK I HAD 666 POSTS
[QUOTE=SGTSpartans;46788204]
E-sports are completely different than a real sport. There is no pain, no pushing, no real struggle besides you getting outwitted.
There is no training besides well, playing the game.
[/QUOTE]
go play starcraft 2 at the top competitive level for 8 hours everyday for a month and tell me that again
shit like wrist injuries have ruined some pro sc2 player's careers
[QUOTE=SGTSpartans;46788204]It shouldn't be in the olympics. At all.
E-sports are completely different than a real sport. There is no pain, no pushing, no real struggle besides you getting outwitted.
There is no training besides well, playing the game.
I mean, there is pushing if ur pushing B site after the bombs planted.[/QUOTE]
"Real sport". E-sports aren't just getting paid money or whatever to play video games in the sense of "oh, that person is getting paid to have fun playing a video game, I wish I were that lucky".
E-sports (at high levels of play) require just as much dedication as any other sport, except there tends to be a greater degree of mental exertion.
Or is that your point, that somehow sports that require purely physical exertions are somehow superior to those that require mental exertions. One involves training the body, the other training the mind; both require a great deal of time and effort to compete in highly competitive environments, just different types of efforts.
Besides, most physical sports are ultimately about the mind anyway; overcoming the physical pain and continuing to push one's self. One might argue that's easier than having to perform more mental actions, where it isn't about suppressing pain, but rather staying focused on the game, keeping your reaction time up, and not making mistakes. All the while trying not to think about how you're down 2 points, and one of those is because of a mistake you made.
Ultimately though, physical and mental sports, or really any two sports, are different and require different skills to excel in them. Degrading the competitors of one by saying another is better is pointless.
[QUOTE=DaMastez;46788501]"Real sport". E-sports aren't just getting paid money or whatever to play video games in the sense of "oh, that person is getting paid to have fun playing a video game, I wish I were that lucky".
E-sports (at high levels of play) require just as much dedication as any other sport, except there tends to be a greater degree of mental exertion.
Or is that your point, that somehow sports that require purely physical exertions are somehow superior to those that require mental exertions. One involves training the body, the other training the mind; both require a great deal of time and effort to compete in highly competitive environments, just different types of efforts.
Besides, most physical sports are ultimately about the mind anyway; overcoming the physical pain and continuing to push one's self. One might argue that's easier than having to perform more mental actions, where it isn't about suppressing pain, but rather staying focused on the game, keeping your reaction time up, and not making mistakes. All the while trying not to think about how you're down 2 points, and one of those is because of a mistake you made.
Ultimately though, physical and mental sports, or really any two sports, are different and require different skills to excel in them. Degrading the competitors of one by saying another is better is pointless.[/QUOTE]
im not saying one is better, im just saying E-sports are exactly what they are called: E-Sports.
and I mean its a lot harder to become better at physical sports. Really is.
Took me months of playing wall ball and going to the turf alone with Lacrosse to get anywhere near "alright", along with training for run tests and stamina and getting my body into a different mindset. I understand games like starcraft and CSGO have extreme levels of precise movements and strategies but it just does not reach the same level.
[QUOTE=SGTSpartans;46788363]dude if ur hands get tired from that stuff u need to lift.
edit: FUCK I HAD 666 POSTS[/QUOTE]
it's not about getting tired. lots of olympic events don't leave athletes feeling tired
it's about being good at physical exertion in the majority of sports. now how long you can do it without getting tired
[QUOTE=.Lain;46788549]it's not about getting tired. lots of olympic events don't leave athletes feeling tired
it's about being good at physical exertion in the majority of sports. now how long you can do it without getting tired[/QUOTE]
I'm just trying to say, E-Sports are E-Sports and Sports are sports. Why do we have to merge the two?
[QUOTE=SGTSpartans;46788533]
Took me months of playing wall ball and going to the turf alone with Lacrosse to get anywhere near "alright", along with training for run tests and stamina and getting my body into a different mindset. I understand games like starcraft and CSGO have extreme levels of precise movements and strategies but it just does not reach the same level.[/QUOTE]
literally takes years to reach pro level in games like CSGO. there are games i play like beatmania where if you haven't been playing for 5+ years you know now that it's going to be a long time before you can even think about entering sponsor competitions and the like
[editline]24th December 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=SGTSpartans;46788561]I'm just trying to say, E-Sports are E-Sports and Sports are sports. Why do we have to merge the two?[/QUOTE]
we don't. but they are both sports, which the olympics is about
take note that i don't have a hard on for e-sports, i'm just disputing your claim that video games dont take practice or phyiscal skill on the same level or higher than conventional sports
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