• World of Warcraft's three million missing players will come back, says lead game designer
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maybe if you stop tacking on gimmicks to pvp it would make people want to play your game blizzard. idk about raids and pve though, didnt play those.
I'd play it again if they nerfed player stats [sp]I just miss vanilla pvp[/sp]
I don't know, I think WoW will still be around and do well for a long time, but thinking that WoW's decline is temporary seems like deluding oneself.
[QUOTE=Selek;47729057]I don't know, I think WoW will still be around and do well for a long time, but thinking that WoW's decline is temporary seems like deluding oneself.[/QUOTE] In his defense, they did gain 3 million subs with WoD launch.
It will just keep going up and down, the game won't fail for a very long time. Too much publicity. I stopped personally because i've grown up, i don't have enough time to raid or play it anymore now that i have a fulltime job and relationship. The amount of time you have to commit to playing it if you want to be a raider is insane.
Hes kind of right They aalwaayys come crawling back
they come back and check it out and notice they still pump out stuff that no one really wants and doesnt fix the issues it has. I know they want more people subbed for money but they should actually do more things that benefit the hardcore players that are their strong fanbase instead of making almost everything available for people who only spends a few hours a week playing.
[QUOTE=Citrus705;47729652]Hes kind of right They aalwaayys come crawling back[/QUOTE] I got tired of subbing and unsubbing over and over so I just left myself subbed because I know I'm just going to jump back in any day now.
Considering how much people are jumping on and off WoW I'll never get into it and never will care to
[QUOTE=Toyhobo;47729948]they come back and check it out and notice they still pump out stuff that no one really wants and doesnt fix the issues it has. I know they want more people subbed for money but they should actually do more things that benefit the hardcore players that are their strong fanbase instead of making almost everything available for people who only spends a few hours a week playing.[/QUOTE] I kind of get this. Although i see their reasoning for it. Back in the day when you had to make friends to raid, dungeon and what not was great, LFR fucked everything up, although it was good, it really did mess everything up. People raided via that and then got bored of doing the norm raids because they are visually EXACTLY the same apart from obviously norm raiding was harder. LFG was where they should have left it. Kept raiding as a high tear for the hardcore players. I understand that they tried to make players try and get into raiding by bringing out LFR for the newbies who didn't really experience raiding and hoping it will boost their confidence up for it. But no, as always, humans find the lazy way, come online, go do LFR because its quick, not making any friends to have fun on this game with and then just logoff. The game used to be about teamwork, now its more solo than anything.
I just want my pre-nerfed warlock back when we could actually move and use spells and stuff :( Then i'd come back for a month of pvp then quit again :v:
[QUOTE=Ricenchicken;47751707]I just want my pre-nerfed warlock back when we could actually move and use spells and stuff :( Then i'd come back for a month of pvp then quit again :v:[/QUOTE] i want Pre-CataChange Demonology back. I hated how they destroyed my epic class. I used to be able to top the charts easily on my Demo lock way higher than Dest's even though back then they were meant to be top dps.
[QUOTE=General;47729030]I'd play it again if they nerfed player stats [sp]I just miss vanilla pvp[/sp][/QUOTE] Why? People are clouded by nostalgia of what would be considered the shittiest PvP of all time in a modern release. Video for your enjoyment: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqx1CFomKMI[/url]
[QUOTE=Mesothere;47759266]Why? People are clouded by nostalgia of what would be considered the shittiest PvP of all time in a modern release. Video for your enjoyment: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqx1CFomKMI[/url][/QUOTE] I just remember having tons of fun in endless AV matches, and using arcane power + presence of mind to one shot people on my mage. Also, using the fun engineering stuff like my flame reflector to kill other mages trying to one shot me.
[QUOTE=greeley;47755826]i want Pre-CataChange Demonology back. I hated how they destroyed my epic class. I used to be able to top the charts easily on my Demo lock way higher than Dest's even though back then they were meant to be top dps.[/QUOTE] I left because skill level no longer applies. Everyone's dmg /hps is all depending on when your gear decides to proc. There is no set equal footing with the RNG additions to gear. A guy who has played a class for 10 years can be absolutely dominated on meters by a new bro just because his gear decided it wanted to line up. So meters are null and void. The biggest sin of all is the facebook / pokemon garrison they added. I moved to other games were skill is actually required, and if i get rekt'd it was because i messed up or got outplayed.
I guess I just don't understand WoW. I think only people shrouded by nostalgia play... I don't know anyone who's like "I want to try WoW" nowadays and instead plays games like Guild Wars 2 or The Old Republic or whatever. Not to mention "Hey skip the grind for money" is pretty dumb, that's their way of fixing it instead of making leveling fun like the games I just mentioned.
[QUOTE=Zadrave;47779859]I guess I just don't understand WoW. I think only people shrouded by nostalgia play... I don't know anyone who's like "I want to try WoW" nowadays and instead plays games like Guild Wars 2 or The Old Republic or whatever. Not to mention "Hey skip the grind for money" is pretty dumb, that's their way of fixing it instead of making leveling fun like the games I just mentioned.[/QUOTE] I agree but personally I hate the Guild Wars 2 combat. SWTOR is very similar to WoW but is a bit more refined (in terms of combat) IMO. Raid wise WoW mechanics seem to be more world based and in SWTOR it's more based on the boss doing certain things, both have their advantages and disadvantages but without things like DBM in SWTOR I find the mechanics for most fights generally flow quite a bit better. But both games have very good raids, SWTORs biggest downfall right now is class balance which was in a pretty good place pre-expansion but has had big issues with it ever since. Both games suffer bad content droughts between expansions in the raid scene.
I guess that's the thing. I don't really care for raids if the exploration portion is fun as fuck and the dungeons are fun as fuck. That's literally all I hear about WoW is its raids and I never hear anything else that's good about it. Also people say "endgame is the best thing", which I also find bullshit. I think the journey to the max level should be more important than being max level. That's why I like the two games I listed.
"And if they don't come back we'll send a guy to break their kneecaps."
[QUOTE=Zadrave;47781079]I guess that's the thing. I don't really care for raids if the exploration portion is fun as fuck and the dungeons are fun as fuck. That's literally all I hear about WoW is its raids and I never hear anything else that's good about it. Also people say "endgame is the best thing", which I also find bullshit. I think the journey to the max level should be more important than being max level. That's why I like the two games I listed.[/QUOTE] I still find leveling the best part of the game. Northrend is my absolute favorite place in a videogame. Grizzly hills leveling is so amazing that Id stay there from 70-80 if I could.
[QUOTE=Ragekipz;47729300]In his defense, they did gain 3 million subs with WoD launch.[/QUOTE] Like they do with every expansion
Sorry Blizzard I'm too busy playing on Nostalrius :^)
[QUOTE=Zadrave;47781079]I guess that's the thing. I don't really care for raids if the exploration portion is fun as fuck and the dungeons are fun as fuck. That's literally all I hear about WoW is its raids and I never hear anything else that's good about it. Also people say "endgame is the best thing", which I also find bullshit. I think the journey to the max level should be more important than being max level. That's why I like the two games I listed.[/QUOTE] In WoW leveling from 1 - 90 literally made a part of my soul die. Paying to avoid that pain is a bit shitty. Although personally I don't know why you would play these type of games if it wasn't for raiding. I know I wouldn't of played either SWTOR or WoW without raids.
Maybe if it didnt take you like 7 godamn months to put out fucking content :^)
[QUOTE=Zadrave;47781079]I guess that's the thing. I don't really care for raids if the exploration portion is fun as fuck and the dungeons are fun as fuck. That's literally all I hear about WoW is its raids and I never hear anything else that's good about it. Also people say "endgame is the best thing", which I also find bullshit. I think the journey to the max level should be more important than being max level. That's why I like the two games I listed.[/QUOTE] Problem is most of the endgame dungeons (90+) are much funner than the ones that come before it, mechanically speaking. I didn't really enjoy dungeon runs pre-90 because they're so simple. Once I hit Panda land heroics (back when 90 was the cap, mind you) I started having fun again. I agree though, endgame being the main point of the game is just meh. I grew up on SWG, so that kind of mentality feels like I'm playing a game that's willfully telling me it's subpar.
[QUOTE=Axznma;47785514] I agree though, endgame being the main point of the game is just meh. I grew up on SWG, so that kind of mentality feels like I'm playing a game that's willfully telling me it's subpar.[/QUOTE] Never got into WoW, SWG spoiled me too damn much because I didn't have to be a Master BH or have a Jedi alt to have fun. Running around on my Kaadu mount, decorating my house and meeting up with my guild to do crazy shit in JTL was more than enough. I didnt care sbout raids that much. I never had much fun in WOTLK and burning crusade, everyone kept telling me 'it gets funner when you get late game', as part of my soul started to slowly die off.
[QUOTE=Ta16;47785559]Never got into WoW, SWG spoiled me too damn much because I didn't have to be a Master BH or have a Jedi alt to have fun. Running around on my Kaadu mount, decorating my house and meeting up with my guild to do crazy shit in JTL was more than enough. I didnt care sbout raids that much. I never had much fun in WOTLK and burning crusade, everyone kept telling me 'it gets funner when you get late game', as part of my soul started to slowly die off.[/QUOTE] A lot of people didn't care about that kind of stuff (although in the old days the game didn't really have "raids" as we know them today). SWG is the last MMO I played (and I've played entirely too many over the years) that had people literally just sitting around doing nothing but socializing. No pre-dungeon talking or "passing by to the auction house" mentality. Just people going to the local cantina to talk. I had a lot of fun bullshitting with people in those cantinas for no reason, occasionally watching someone walk in and an (obvious) BH sliding in after them, everyone waiting for the moment he'd strike. Or in the really old days, when a Jedi would come in and everyone knew it only a matter of time before a group of decked out Bounty Hunters would show up. Some real atmosphere going on. Knew people that played Entertainers and the like since launch and all the way until the game shut down without ever getting bored (though admittedly towards the end there wasn't nearly as many people to socialize with). Decorating my house (and others) was probably my favorite thing. I did that entirely too much, enough that people started paying me to do it. :v: JTL is, in my opinion, an example of the pinnacle expansion. JTL was so good that it could have been its own game (of course it was based on previous stand-alone games to begin with). Having that and the base game was just damn nice. Expansions today just kind of pale in terms of what they're offering compared to what JTL offered SWG. Well, better stop hijacking the thread.
Huh, it's practically a meme in itself to tell someone they'll be back after unsubbing from WoW, but I never thought I'd see Blizzard themselves say it.
[QUOTE=Maud;47785967]Huh, it's practically a meme in itself to tell someone they'll be back after unsubbing from WoW, but I never thought I'd see Blizzard themselves say it.[/QUOTE] Well it [i]does[/i] say in the TOS that upon agreement Blizzard owns your soul...
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