oh, you know, a new market store, new form-factors (tablets, directx on phones). carmack is a programmer yet doesn't know about winrt? or any of the new directx apis? what about directx 10 and 11?
no wonder why Rage ran and looked like shit.
[img]http://cf.shacknews.com/images/20120719/product_win8-startscreen_print_22801.nphd.jpg[/img]
Ugh.. Just look at it though.
Dropping the great GUI and interface that they've stuck with for years is a shitty decision and one I hope they regret a great deal so they don't attempt anything stupid like this again years down the line - after reverting to a simple, minimalist interface for Windows 9..
The store is already being widely criticized based on Microsoft's handling of the Xbox marketplace
New form factors won't make a damn bit of difference until there's a market share in place using them
WinRT is not for any gaming beyond HTML5 casual games - its mandate is 'metro style apps'
Windows 7 Has the DirectX 10 and 11 APIs - there is a performance consideration here but that's why "He joked that with Doom 3 BFG coming out for PC soon, he probably should do some testing with it."
I'm only getting Windows 8 for the performance boost, I can pretty much avoid the Metro UI and it excels at what I need it for (Searching mainly). But my PC has never been so quick as it is with the preview.
[QUOTE=Foda;37066591]oh, you know, a new market store, new form-factors (tablets, directx on phones). carmack is a programmer yet doesn't know about winrt? or any of the new directx apis? what about directx 10 and 11?
no wonder why Rage ran and looked like shit.[/QUOTE]
Or maybe he just doesn't care about those things?
I'm pretty sure id pretty much exclusively works with OpenGL anyway..
Anyway, I don't see why this is news in the first place...
[QUOTE=Foda;37066591]oh, you know, a new market store, new form-factors (tablets, directx on phones). carmack is a programmer yet doesn't know about winrt? or any of the new directx apis? what about directx 10 and 11?
no wonder why Rage ran and looked like shit.[/QUOTE]
i think all id engines are opengl based. so yea its nothing exciting to him, since he will just use opengl.
[QUOTE=subenji99;37066699]The store is already being widely criticized based on Microsoft's handling of the Xbox marketplace
New form factors won't make a damn bit of difference until there's a market share in place using them
WinRT is not for any gaming beyond HTML5 casual games - its mandate is 'metro style apps'
Windows 7 Has the DirectX 10 and 11 APIs - there is a performance consideration here but that's why "He joked that with Doom 3 BFG coming out for PC soon, he probably should do some testing with it."[/QUOTE]
You can write DirectX games in WinRT using c++ or c#(monogame is basically XNA for winRT).
[editline]3rd August 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;37066631][img]http://cf.shacknews.com/images/20120719/product_win8-startscreen_print_22801.nphd.jpg[/img]
Ugh.. Just look at it though.
Dropping the great GUI and interface that they've stuck with for years is a shitty decision and one I hope they regret a great deal so they don't attempt anything stupid like this again years down the line - after reverting to a simple, minimalist interface for Windows 9..[/QUOTE]
What's wrong with it/how would you change it?
I can see how many Facebook notifications I have, the weather, all my programs, any new events on my calendar, new messages, new emails, and the news. Its just the start screen, you have the regular desktop too.
[QUOTE=icemaz;37066717]I'm only getting Windows 8 for the performance boost, I can pretty much avoid the Metro UI and it excels at what I need it for (Searching mainly). But my PC has never been so quick as it is with the preview.[/QUOTE]
i have NEVER used metro in window 8 and since i installed the vistart start button im pretty much using desktop all the time
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;37066631][img]http://cf.shacknews.com/images/20120719/product_win8-startscreen_print_22801.nphd.jpg[/img]
Ugh.. Just look at it though.
Dropping the great GUI and interface that they've stuck with for years is a shitty decision and one I hope they regret a great deal so they don't attempt anything stupid like this again years down the line - after reverting to a simple, minimalist interface for Windows 9..[/QUOTE]
Do people never learn? Have you people never looked a god damn thread about Windows 8 to learn that you can use the same fucking explorer or whatever people call it?
[editline]3rd August 2012[/editline]
I also would definitely enjoy that, it seems like a nice looking place with a good flow, it has everything you need.
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;37066631][IMG]http://cf.shacknews.com/images/20120719/product_win8-startscreen_print_22801.nphd.jpg[/IMG]
Ugh.. Just look at it though.
Dropping the great GUI and interface that they've stuck with for years is a shitty decision and one I hope they regret a great deal so they don't attempt anything stupid like this again years down the line - after reverting to a simple, minimalist interface for Windows 9..[/QUOTE]
They've explained this so many fucking times. That's the replacement start menu UI, the classic explorer desktop is still there.
[QUOTE=Viper202;37066889]They've explained this so many fucking times. That's the Tablet UI which you can switch between on any PC whenever you want, the classic explorer desktop is still there.[/QUOTE]
err..
That's actually the replacement for the start menu..And you really can't disable it. But yeah, the classic desktop still exists.
stop posting and get educated on the things you're arguing against metro UI is entirely optional
[QUOTE=Foda;37066591]oh, you know, a new market store, new form-factors (tablets, directx on phones). carmack is a programmer yet doesn't know about winrt? or any of the new directx apis? what about directx 10 and 11?
no wonder why Rage ran and looked like shit.[/QUOTE]
WinRT is a fucking horror
And Carmack enjoys OpenGL more than DirectX
[QUOTE=Tobba;37067027]WinRT is a fucking horror
And Carmack enjoys OpenGL more than DirectX[/QUOTE]
How is it a horror?
[QUOTE=Foda;37066591]oh, you know, a new market store, new form-factors (tablets, directx on phones). carmack is a programmer yet doesn't know about winrt? or any of the new directx apis? what about directx 10 and 11?
no wonder why Rage ran and looked like shit.[/QUOTE]
Better go tell him how completely wrong he is then!
YA MAN WINSHIT 8 SUCKS!!1 am i cool yet
[QUOTE=Lizzrd;37067066]Better go tell him how completely wrong he is then![/QUOTE]
He's not wrong, as what he said was a matter of opinion. However, its confusing on what Carmack considers "exciting" seeing as this version of Windows has the biggest changes since 95. What would Carmack want to see in Windows that he would consider exciting?
[QUOTE=Foda;37066781]What's wrong with it/how would you change it?[/QUOTE]
It's basically wasted space central. It's much, much larger than the start menu since it's a fullscreen prompt, and manages to display [I]less[/I].
[QUOTE=Foda;37067130]He's not wrong, as what he said was a matter of opinion. However, its confusing on what Carmack considers "exciting" seeing as this version of Windows has the biggest changes since 95. What would Carmack want to see in Windows that he would consider exciting?[/QUOTE]
Considering he considers XP to be essentially perfect and Win7 only a slight improvement his wording is really questionable.
Sure it might not be entirely exciting to him as a traditional game developer. But it might be a huge giant thing for average consumers.
Which I think is really the difference. He's not looking at windows as a user, or as a consumer like most of us do. He's looking at it from the position of a traditional game developer.
[QUOTE=subenji99;37066699]The store is already being widely criticized based on Microsoft's handling of the Xbox marketplace
New form factors won't make a damn bit of difference until there's a market share in place using them
WinRT is not for any gaming beyond HTML5 casual games - its mandate is 'metro style apps'
Windows 7 Has the DirectX 10 and 11 APIs - there is a performance consideration here but that's why "He joked that with Doom 3 BFG coming out for PC soon, he probably should do some testing with it."[/QUOTE]
You do know that WinRT is getting Dxlike apis as well? On top of that, while the xbox marketplace might be a mess, the marketplace the winRT one is modelled after, is the windowsphone marketplace. Which is pretty much nonproblematic and fairly without issues. Hell have you recently taken a look on stuff that's coming out for Windowsphone for apps? They get fairly normal 3d rendering and that without native code support. Which WinRT will have.
[QUOTE=Foda;37067037]How is it a horror?[/QUOTE]
COM based
Its pretty much made for app-store shit, and using it from anything that isnt .NET can result in horror
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;37067006]stop posting and get educated on the things you're arguing against metro UI is entirely optional[/QUOTE]
It's not completely optional and that's the biggest gripe I have with it.
I don't mind them going over to a touchscreen-friendly UI, but it doesn't need to be forced.
[QUOTE=Ray-The-Sun;37067142]It's basically wasted space central. It's much, much larger than the start menu since it's a fullscreen prompt, and manages to display [I]less[/I].[/QUOTE]
Read this if you'd like to see the math behind designing the new start screen:
[url]http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/11/reflecting-on-your-comments-on-the-start-screen.aspx[/url]
Tl;dr: you open apps faster on the new start screen, even though it looks like a lot of space is wasted.
Well I think Microsoft does this on purpose. After every successfull Windows release they do a "bad" version after.
[QUOTE=Tobba;37067203]COM based
Its pretty much made for app-store shit, and using it from anything that isnt .NET can result in horror[/QUOTE]
What? There's no COM in WinRT. That's the whole point...
.NET? Could you elaborate on that?
[QUOTE=kimr120;37067295]Well I think Microsoft does this on purpose. After every successfull Windows release they do a "bad" version after.[/QUOTE]
I fucking hate this analogy because it doesn't take into account at least several versions of Windows
Complaining about metro is like saying
[img]http://puu.sh/OgLL[/img]
LOOK AT THAT! AWFUL WINDOWS VISTA SUCKS!
[QUOTE=Foda;37066591]oh, you know, a new market store, new form-factors (tablets, directx on phones). carmack is a programmer yet doesn't know about winrt? or any of the new directx apis? what about directx 10 and 11?
no wonder why Rage ran and looked like shit.[/QUOTE]
lmao becuase directx10/11 definitely are windows 8 only
[QUOTE=garry;37067367]Complaining about metro is like saying
[IMG]http://puu.sh/OgLL[/IMG]
LOOK AT THAT! AWFUL WINDOWS VISTA SUCKS![/QUOTE]
I agree with you partially.
People are lodging complaints about it for all the wrong reasons but that doesn't mean there aren't things to complain about, especially since WMC is much less a significant part of the OS than Metro
[QUOTE=Foda;37067322]What? There's no COM in WinRT. That's the whole point...
.NET? Could you elaborate on that?[/QUOTE]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Runtime[/url]
[quote]WinRT is essentially a COM-based API, although relying on an enhanced COM[/quote]
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