• GTX 470 or 5850/5870?
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I've recently been saving some money and I'll be able to buy a new graphics card by the end of may. ( two weeks ) I had my eye set on the 5850 for a while now and wondering whether I should save another week for the 5870, but the new GTX 470 came out not to long ago and I needed some advice on whether I should get that instead since they're all within pocket change of each over. I've been looking at the benchmarks for all three cards and the 470 "seems" to be faster on most games apart from a select couple but my main question is, are there any deal breakers that would make the 470 stand out among the other cards? Anything else I should know about the 470? Or should I stick with my initial decision and decide on the 5850/5870? Thanks for any replies!
5870 Or you'll have to move to Antarctica :colbert:
[QUOTE=soderholm13;21944545]5870 Or you'll have to move to Antarctica :colbert:[/QUOTE] "fermi runs hot" jokes aren't funny anymore. They're just as funny as all of the old and overused 4chan memes. stop posting them, or get out edit: OP, the 470 can beat the 5870 in DX11 sometimes, which may or may not be important to you. You can't go wrong with a 470, since it is between a 5850 and 5870 (price and performance wise). They overclock quite far which might even put it ahead of a stock 5870 in some DX10 games. you can't go wrong with the 5870, or the 470. If you can't get the 5870, but can afford the 470, get the 470. If you can afford the 5850, but not the 470 (its only 50 bucks more, but hey..)
Well, if you have seen the benchmarks, depending on the price you should decide if the price difference is worth the performance. The 5870 is most of the time above the 470 in performance and does not cost much more (it's like 20$ more over here), but the 400-series give you some benefits (like 32xAA in Bad Company 2 without problems). Also, PhysX might be interesting for you if you are going to buy Mafia 2 though.
[QUOTE=whatnow V2;21944574]"fermi runs hot" jokes aren't funny anymore. They're just as funny as all of the old and overused 4chan memes. stop posting them, or get out edit: OP, the 470 can beat the 5870 in DX11 sometimes, which may or may not be important to you. You can't go wrong with a 470, since it is between a 5850 and 5870 (price and performance wise). They overclock quite far which might even put it ahead of a stock 5870 in some DX10 games. you can't go wrong with the 5870, or the 470. If you can't get the 5870, but can afford the 470, get the 470. If you can afford the 5850, but not the 470 (its only 50 bucks more, but hey..)[/QUOTE] I can pretty much afford them all, but I've been thinking of getting the 5850 over the 5870 due to it being a tad cheaper and I can snag me a new mouse, which isn't that important. I've done a little more reading though and despite you saying the joke isn't funny, a lot of reviewers and customers have said it runs hot compared to the 58XX, and apparently takes more power which again isn't very important. But thanks for the reply.
Go with a 5870 or a 5850. [editline]03:27PM[/editline] Eyefinity.
[QUOTE=soderholm13;21944545]5870 Or you'll have to move to Antarctica :colbert:[/QUOTE] My 480 idles at 43C and goes to 84 under load, so I have no idea from where people get the idea that Fermi runs super hot (because you should always remember that reviewers run cards on test benches without extra fans, and if you get a 500€ card you [B]will[/B] have a case with some fans). The power consumption is high though (not a problem due to the bill, but due to the required powersupply).
[QUOTE=David Tennant;21944685]I can pretty much afford them all, but I've been thinking of getting the 5850 over the 5870 due to it being a tad cheaper and I can snag me a new mouse, which isn't that important. I've done a little more reading though and despite you saying the joke isn't funny, a lot of reviewers and customers have said it runs hot compared to the 58XX, and apparently takes more power which again isn't very important. But thanks for the reply.[/QUOTE] That may be true, but they all have the fan on AUTO. should you get a fermi card, and overclock, you should set it to 60/70 percent fan speed to maintain stability. I have a fermi card, and It runs cooler than my GTX 275s (i also run at a reasonable fan speed..) edit: check above post, he has the 480, which runs a tad hotter than my 470. Since you're kinda stuck between the 5870 and 5850, the 470 might be a good choice
[QUOTE=lemonlimecom;21944698]Go with a 5870 or a 5850. [editline]03:27PM[/editline] Eyefinity.[/QUOTE] I doubt I'll be using Eyefinity in the months/years to come, but it's a plus and I'd like the option. But most people do seem to favor the 5850/5870.
[QUOTE=acds;21944717]My 480 idles at 43C and goes to 84 under load, so I have no idea from where people get the idea that Fermi runs super hot (because you should always remember that reviewers run cards on test benches without extra fans, and if you get a 500€ card you [B]will[/B] have a case with some fans). The power consumption is high though (not a problem due to the bill, but due to the required powersupply).[/QUOTE] you could probably run a 480 on a decent 600w or maybe even less
[QUOTE=whatnow V2;21944574]"fermi runs hot" jokes aren't funny anymore. [B]They're just as funny as all of the old and overused 4chan memes. [/B] stop posting them, or get out [/QUOTE] [img]http://www.randomfunnypicture.com/pictures/1081oh-you.jpg[/img]
In the UK the 470 is the most expensive at around £300, with the 5850 at £250 and the 5870 at £270'ish. If the performance of the 470 is between them both I might aswell go for the 5870, bang for my buck. Although I won't be overclocking, I get paranoid it's going to die a lot sooner than it should.
[QUOTE=David Tennant;21944809]In the UK the 470 is the most expensive at around £300, with the 5850 at £250 and the 5870 at £270'ish. If the performance of the 470 is between them both I might aswell go for the 5870, bang for my buck. Although I won't be overclocking, I get paranoid it's going to die a lot sooner than it should.[/QUOTE] get the 5850 then. Why does every other country have a fucked up retail price for the 400 series?
[QUOTE=David Tennant;21944756]I doubt I'll be using Eyefinity in the months/years to come, but it's a plus and I'd like the option. But most people do seem to favor the 5850/5870.[/QUOTE] 470=slightly less performance in dx 10 and lower than the 5870, slightly more than the 5850. But as soon as you throw tessellation and DX11 in the mix it outperforms both. And trust me Tessellation is gorgeous.
People "seem" to prefer the 5850/5870 on this forum because for a long time people have been used to hearing "Get ATi". Now that the 470/80are out SOME people don't realise that, in fact, the 470 are Great. If you can get one i would recommend it personally. They overclock well, fast, reliable and new! I know here in the uk it's more expensive than the ATi cards, but i would go for one. I dont think you would regreat it
Ok now I'm back to square one, and I was going so well. :smithicide: Comparing the prices the cheapest I can find of the 470 is: [url]http://www.ebuyer.com/product/202703[/url]
[QUOTE=whatnow V2;21944574]"fermi runs hot" jokes aren't funny anymore. They're just as funny as all of the old and overused 4chan memes. stop posting them, or get out edit: OP, the 470 can beat the 5870 in DX11 sometimes, which may or may not be important to you. You can't go wrong with a 470, since it is between a 5850 and 5870 (price and performance wise). They overclock quite far which might even put it ahead of a stock 5870 in some DX10 games. you can't go wrong with the 5870, or the 470. If you can't get the 5870, but can afford the 470, get the 470. If you can afford the 5850, but not the 470 (its only 50 bucks more, but hey..)[/QUOTE] It's not worth the understatement of it's better because of DirectX 11. Not many games use it and when Nvidia performs better, the margin is very small. You're missing the fact that the fermi use twice the amount of power and do [I]generally[/I] run warmer with a larger heat output. [img]http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/1661/wwwwe.png[/img]
[QUOTE=David Tennant;21944926]Ok now I'm back to square one, and I was going so well. :smithicide:[/QUOTE] How tech savvy are you, with component dis assembly? If the heat of a GTX4xx card bugs you you can drop the temps 10 degrees or more by applying aftermarket Thermal paste.
DX 11 is underrated. It's important, not only for new games now, but i'm presuming you want to keep this GPU for a while and be able to run new games? If so get a 470, i would DEFINATLY get it
I only trust furmark torture tests for temps.
The 4xxs ARENT that hot. OMG :bahgawd:
[Img]http://media.bestofmicro.com/3/V/242491/original/Metro%202033%201920%20real.png[/Img] At any resolution higher than 1680 by 1050 the 5850's and 70's Crash to desktop on dx11. With AA, but still come on [editline]03:52PM[/editline] [QUOTE=PunchedInFac;21944995]I only trust furmark torture tests for temps.[/QUOTE] Kombuster > Futuremark for torture test
HAHA WHAT Nowai does the 4870 x2 beat the other cards More like 4890?
the 4870 x2 2gb beats the 5970 2gb? that makes no sense, how does that happen?
[QUOTE=NecroTitan;21944967]How tech savvy are you, with component dis assembly? If the heat of a GTX4xx card bugs you you can drop the temps 10 degrees or more by applying aftermarket Thermal paste.[/QUOTE] I consider myself very tech savvy, built around 15-25 computers thus' far for friends/family/profit. Most of my decision comes down to price and performance but heat/power are important in there own right.
[QUOTE=Makol;21945095]the 4870 x2 2gb beats the 5970 2gb? that makes no sense, how does that happen?[/QUOTE] ATI 5 series poor consistency.
[QUOTE=David Tennant;21944926]Ok now I'm back to square one, and I was going so well. :smithicide:[/QUOTE] Well: 5850/5870 -A bit cheaper -Better performance on recent games that use DX9/10 and without special stuff (like 32xAA in BC2) -Eyefinity (though multiscreens work on Nvidia cards too) -Lower power requirements 470 -Better tessellation performance -Usually better DX11 performance -PhysX (Mafia 2 mostly though) -"Nvidia features" (like in Just Cause 2, though this might happen for ATI too) -Overclock pretty well -Possibly better at future rendering techniques (this is a big maybe though) I did not mention heat because the 400-series are made to withstand high temps (not to mention you won't keep your GPU for 8 years, right?), and as I said before mine stays in the 80C range even under heavy load (I have a HAF932 as case and my room temperature is at 20C). The 470 will be hotter than the 5870, but I personally see 80C as perfectly acceptable.
I'm a little worried about the heat though, my room can get pretty hot and I'm very paranoid when it comes to my computer. I can't overclock due to being scared that I'll get worse performance after I finish overclocking than when I started, and if the nVidia is running up in the 80's-90's I might start feeling as though It's eating itself to death. :tinfoil:
[QUOTE=David Tennant;21945187]I'm a little worried about the heat though, my room can get pretty hot and I'm very paranoid when it comes to my computer. I can't overclock due to being scared that I'll get worse performance after I finish overclocking than when I started, and if the nVidia is running up in the 80's-90's I might start feeling as though It's eating itself to death. :tinfoil:[/QUOTE] GF100 series GPU's are rated to over 105 degrees celsius. I overclocked mine, and ran EVGA OC scanner at 100% load for 6 hours and it hit 94 degrees... no artifacts stability issues, and I have no AC in my house. Ambient temps of around 80 degrees F. Heat is a non-issue, its like saying that a new car that hits higher engine RPM's is bad because it gives greater performance and can withstand more punishment.
[QUOTE=David Tennant;21945187]I'm a little worried about the heat though, my room can get pretty hot and I'm very paranoid when it comes to my computer. I can't overclock due to being scared that I'll get worse performance after I finish overclocking than when I started, and if the nVidia is running up in the 80's-90's I might start feeling as though It's eating itself to death. :tinfoil:[/QUOTE] Chances are the 5870 will reach those temps after prolonged use too. Also I forgot to mention that those temps I posted are with the fan on default, if you bump it up to 70% you will get lower temps (but there isn't really a need for that). All three of them are great cards, each with its pros and cons, but you really shouldn't list the heat as a con for the 470.
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