I kind of want to get this, but then I don't because I heard the guy who made this is a total douche.
[QUOTE=Bbarnes005;47889117]I kind of want to get this, but then I don't because I heard the guy who made this is a total douche.[/QUOTE]
Who cares its free
[QUOTE=Bbarnes005;47889117]I kind of want to get this, but then I don't because I heard the guy who made this is a total douche.[/QUOTE]
Well, there is a thing called separating content from it's author.
[QUOTE=Folstream;47889349]Well, there is a thing called separating content from it's author.[/QUOTE]
Exactly.
Phil fish the walking nutsack for example.
Fez is in someway special for me, and no matter how douchey the guy is I wont let that detract from a game. ( unless the game is as horrible, then I have no quarrels.)
psh who needs splatoon
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[QUOTE=Bbarnes005;47889117]I kind of want to get this, but then I don't because I heard the guy who made this is a total douche.[/QUOTE]
Chuck berry used to film girls in the toilet.
[QUOTE=Lyokanthrope;47889859]psh who needs splatoon
[thumb]http://i.imgur.com/koRo62S.png[/thumb][/QUOTE]
YOU'RE A MARINE YOU'RE IN DOOM
RIP AND TEAR, RIP AND TEAR!
[QUOTE=Bbarnes005;47889117]I kind of want to get this, but then I don't because I heard the guy who made this is a total douche.[/QUOTE]
Mark Zuckerberg is a total douche and still you are using facebook
[QUOTE=Bbarnes005;47889117]I kind of want to get this, but then I don't because I heard the guy who made this is a total douche.[/QUOTE]
I've heard the guy is an angsty, easily agitated unconfirmed neo-Nazi with potential mental disorders who at one point at a "realistic gore" option having used photos of actual bloody muck to include in the giblets.
Doesn't keep the mod from being good at all. It's free, it's not like you're giving him money in the process of playing it, and there are many people who fork their own versions of Brutal Doom to fix his shortcomings.
Just don't say that Brutal Doom is [I][B]the way Doom was meant to be played[/B][/I] and we'll all be fine and dandy. :v:
[QUOTE=Doom14;47891477]
Just don't say that Brutal Doom is [I][B]the way Doom was meant to be played[/B][/I] and we'll all be fine and dandy. :v:[/QUOTE]
Isn't the new DOOM going to have alot of features based on Brutal Doom? That's what i've heard from people who actually went and watched it at the reveal.
[QUOTE=FullofCunts;47891484]Isn't the new DOOM going to have alot of features based on Brutal Doom? That's what i've heard from people who actually went and watched it at the reveal.[/QUOTE]
Oh well yeah. They're taking their experiences from the new Wolfenstein game and likely blending it into even faster gameplay. This is reflective of Brutal Doom's resurgence of attention on the 21+ year old game. It's also likely the best way for the game to stand out and how the fans will want to play it. They've tried, in Doom 3, for a more slow-and-steady horror and story approach, which was alright in it's own category, but not quite the Doom we knew and loved - which was action first and spooks second. [URL="https://vine.co/v/eMOW1Y16305"]Even the snippets of music works for Doom 4 have me hyped.[/URL]
However, going back to Doom 1 and 2, they were meant to be played as they were. Not updated to modern standards with over-the-top gore with all the inspiration coming out of the cheesy Doom comic. If you want to get real technical, Doom was actually suppose to be more like a sci-fi Hexen, with classes, inventory, bigger focus on plots, etc - before they boiled it down to what it became.
[QUOTE=Doom14;47891477]I've heard the guy is an angsty, easily agitated unconfirmed neo-Nazi with potential mental disorders who at one point at a "realistic gore" option having used photos of actual bloody muck to include in the giblets.
Doesn't keep the mod from being good at all. It's free, it's not like you're giving him money in the process of playing it, and there are many people who fork their own versions of Brutal Doom to fix his shortcomings.
Just don't say that Brutal Doom is [I][B]the way Doom was meant to be played[/B][/I] and we'll all be fine and dandy. :v:[/QUOTE]
pretty sure the "realistic gore" thing is actually somewhat common practice
[QUOTE=Bumrang;47896800]pretty sure the "realistic gore" thing is actually somewhat common practice[/QUOTE]
It's far from common practice to source your gore sprites from actual pictures of actual mutilated corpses. I don't know why in the world you'd ever think that was a normal thing for any community to do.
[QUOTE=Xubs;47897011]I've more often heard that fruit is used for reference[/QUOTE]
If I remember correctly, one of the Left 4 Dead 2 Comments Nodes mentioned that they studied photos of various diseases, but went with potato skin for infected.
Honestly, so far, this is still just another bland and disappointing release. The average person probably wouldn't even realize grenades were added unless they pay attention to their weapons and key bindings, and there's a multitude of problems and oddities. Like Classic mode needing to convert the Modern weapons to classic, thus fucking up your weapon selection mid-fight. I'm sure the Sperglord and Johnny versions are already in the works to convert and fix numerous things.
It's probably sad that the most enjoyment I've gotten out of this version is dicking around in Realism difficulty just because of how balls hard it is.
I'm looking into the real gore controversy, and there's so many people saying it's common practice to use [B][I][U]REAL[/U][/I][/B] gore in their video games. Citations? 0.
Except for maybe this one:
[video]https://youtu.be/oka1XfJuSc8[/video]
@ 1:40
But if you want to be that guy that has something in common with this game, you've got some problems.
[B]EDIT:[/B] I'm not dissing the mod at all - I just think it's hilariously absurd what the creator has done with the real gore module.
A module that's long since outdated and probably has a backup somewhere for documentation purposes but little else. I don't like Mark for some of the shit he's done, and most people don't really, but that's one thing I just try to forget even happened because of how quickly he realized it was a bad idea.
Headshots? Reloading? Recoil? I'm not sure what this is but it's definitely not Doom
[QUOTE=RikohZX;47897156]A module that's long since outdated and probably has a backup somewhere for documentation purposes but little else. I don't like Mark for some of the shit he's done, and most people don't really, but that's one thing I just try to forget even happened because of how quickly he realized it was a bad idea.[/QUOTE]
People have their moments. It looks like a lot of the stuff he's done has been misunderstood for genuine racism or just in bad taste, but nothing actually harmful.
As for the game, I just tried playing with the Modern Realism settings and boy does it drag out Doom too long. I'll have to go back and try again with a Classic configuration.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;47897187]People have their moments. It looks like a lot of the stuff he's done has been misunderstood for genuine racism or just in bad taste, but nothing actually harmful.
As for the game, I just tried playing with the Modern Realism settings and boy does it drag out Doom too long. I'll have to go back and try again with a Classic configuration.[/QUOTE]
I can handle dragged out, it seems. But with Classic, a single rocket blows away a Revenant or many other enemy types. A volley of Chaingun fire can kill most enemies but the toughest (aka Barons) in a couple seconds of sustained fire, and rip apart the mooks with ease. Even a single SSG blast can kill a Mancubus. The big problem is that Mark jacked up the enemy aggression so it's an extreme pain in the ass to even get attacks off sometimes without getting ripped up yourself, so corner-ducking is an absolute necessity to survive even 2 minutes.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;47896983]its slightly common practice to study real gore to create some of the crazy gore seen in games, but never do they just pull an image from a goresite and call it a day
the deadspace team for example studied pictures of horrible car crashes to design the necromorphs[/QUOTE]
The guys behind "Spec Ops: The Line" studied pictures of war victims.
[QUOTE=gufu;47897065]If I remember correctly, one of the Left 4 Dead 2 Comments Nodes mentioned that they studied photos of various diseases, but went with potato skin for infected.[/QUOTE]
I thought they looked at insulation a lot too, for some reason?
They had a really cool way of going about it.
[QUOTE=Doom14;47891526]Doom was actually suppose to be more like a sci-fi Hexen, with classes, inventory, bigger focus on plots, etc - before they boiled it down to what it became.[/QUOTE]
Ironically I feel like original Doom should've either gone that route, or the Brutal Doom route.
Looking back, vanilla Doom feels like it has a self-identity problem.
[QUOTE=Van-man;47898370]Ironically I feel like original Doom should've either gone that route, or the Brutal Doom route.
Looking back, vanilla Doom feels like it has a self-identity problem.[/QUOTE]
I don't even understand what you mean by "identity problem". It's a arcade-style shooter from 93 treading in technology still in total infancy. It's more on terms with the japanese way of developing a action game in my opinion, gameplay and fun first.
They realized by cluttering the game with too much shit they would probably lose focus of the gameplay oriented design. Hell, imagine if they really did go the whole Tom Hall route and added all the crap in, you think John Romero would have had the genius idea to make the map design abstract in nature? Or would they have focused on making the maps more concentrated around the more advanced game elements.
In fact more shooters today need to simplify their thinking and mechanics and focus just on the gameplay engine and elements. Old fps games were great because all the maps were designed to go hand in hand with the simple gameplay engine, and you could create some really cool stuff just from experimenting around the way the game is balanced.
Most FPS games rarely have anything going for it to justify creative map making around the gameplay itself. Now it's just about the "adventure" and "immersion".
[QUOTE=Bbarnes005;47889117]I kind of want to get this, but then I don't because I heard the guy who made this is a total douche.[/QUOTE]
As far as he's not on gabrilduros level of douchery I really wouldn't care
[QUOTE=BenJammin';47898543]I don't even understand what you mean by "identity problem". It's a arcade-style shooter from 93 treading in technology still in total infancy. It's more on terms with the japanese way of developing a action game in my opinion, gameplay and fun first.
They realized by cluttering the game with too much shit they would probably lose focus of the gameplay oriented design. Hell, imagine if they really did go the whole Tom Hall route and added all the crap in, you think John Romero would have had the genius idea to make the map design abstract in nature? Or would they have focused on making the maps more concentrated around the more advanced game elements.
In fact more shooters today need to simplify their thinking and mechanics and focus just on the gameplay engine and elements. Old fps games were great because all the maps were designed to go hand in hand with the simple gameplay engine, and you could create some really cool stuff just from experimenting around the way the game is balanced.
Most FPS games rarely have anything going for it to justify creative map making around the gameplay itself.[B] Now it's just about the "adventure" and "immersion".[/B][/QUOTE]
I find that last part hilarious because there's no longer any real sense of discovery in modern gaming in general (Achivement Unlocked: first mission! Achievement Unlocked: Found a secret! etc) and immersion is definitely in the shitter (press X to pay respects)
of course there's exceptions but most of the AAA titles feel really painful in this regard
[QUOTE=proch;47898641]As far as he's not on gabrilduros level of douchery I really wouldn't care[/QUOTE]
Who?
[QUOTE=RichyZ;47900070]isnt gabrilduros the guy who makes those civil war m&b mods and really fucks up spelling & grammar in the mods?[/QUOTE]
I have his Western America mod and everything about it is atrocious, but what did he do?
[QUOTE=Folstream;47889349]Well, there is a thing called separating content from it's author.[/QUOTE]
Look up a documentary called Wagner & Me by Stephen Fry for interesting ruminations on this subject.
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