Seems like giving people who kill themselves attention like this kind of encourages people to kill themselves too?
When did it become admirable to kill yourself? It's the easy way out, it's stupid and selfish.
[QUOTE=garry;38057746]Seems like giving people who kill themselves attention like this kind of encourages people to kill themselves too?
When did it become admirable to kill yourself? It's the easy way out, it's stupid and selfish.[/QUOTE]
When you're in a rut with bad depression, you don't give a shit about anything / anyone else. I don't think anyone can pass judgement on the morality of suicide without having been through bad depression and having experienced it first hand.
I can somewhat agree though that there are some limited cases of attention whoring, but it's definitely not the norm. Bullying affects people in different way and to different severities, just because one person copes with it extremely well doesn't mean that another person won't be traumatised by the same experience.
[QUOTE=leach139;38057768]When you're in a rut with bad depression, you don't give a shit about anything / anyone else. I don't think anyone can pass judgement on the morality of suicide without having been through bad depression and having experienced it first hand.
I can somewhat agree though that there are some limited cases of attention whoring, but it's definitely not the norm.[/QUOTE]
A lot of suicides and suicide attempts sure do try to make a public platform out of it.
Why do we give so much attention to one teen suicide, they happen all the time and go unnoticed.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;38057776]A lot of suicides and suicide attempts sure do try to make a public platform out of it.[/QUOTE]
You can somewhat blame the media for that, suicides make good stories. I do agree that this case has been blown way, WAY out of proportion though.
[QUOTE=leach139;38057784]You can somewhat blame the media for that, suicides make good stories. I do agree that this case has been blown way, WAY out of proportion though.[/QUOTE]
Well no.
Why do you think people have been jumping off busy bridges for hundreds of years?
[QUOTE=garry;38057746]Seems like giving people who kill themselves attention like this kind of encourages people to kill themselves too?
When did it become admirable to kill yourself? It's the easy way out, it's stupid and selfish.[/QUOTE]
*snip I know better now*
[QUOTE=garry;38057746]Seems like giving people who kill themselves attention like this kind of encourages people to kill themselves too?
When did it become admirable to kill yourself? It's the easy way out, it's stupid and selfish.[/QUOTE]
I don't think it's being made into an admirable act; the tributes are more of a sympathetic gesture rather than a 'well done I really admire what you have done'
[QUOTE=Liem;38057777]Why do we give so much attention to one teen suicide, they happen all the time and go unnoticed.[/QUOTE]
Media coverage makes it go viral. The media pretty much controls everything these days.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;38057793]Well no.
Why do you think people have been jumping off busy bridges for hundreds of years?[/QUOTE]
Oh, you're talking about the actual event? Sorry, I assumed you meant the coverage afterwards. I could've sworn I saw an article about why people commit suicide in busy settings, but I can't find it now. The human mind is pretty fucked up when you're depressed.
[QUOTE=garry;38057746]Seems like giving people who kill themselves attention like this kind of encourages people to kill themselves too?
When did it become admirable to kill yourself? It's the easy way out, it's stupid and selfish.[/QUOTE]
They're not encouraging them. Media attention draws empathy, so you can blame the masses for "encouraging" people to kill themselves.
why do people spend so much effort being sympathetic towards dead things when there are living things that would appreciate that sympathy a lot more
maybe im a crazy person but maybe if a tiny tiny fraction of this kindness was shown to the girl before her death she wouldn't be dead right now
i don't know it just seems like the perfect mix of misallocated effort and too little too late
[QUOTE=NoDachi;38057793]Well no.
Why do you think people have been jumping off busy bridges for hundreds of years?[/QUOTE]
Since statistical data for this is rare I wouldn't start saying that suicide rates where higher or lower or the same for hundreds of years.
Fact is, only the WAY it is done changed as hinted here:
[url]http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=437346[/url]
So we can't compare historical data to see the impact of media coverage but we can compare less developed countries against higher developed countries where of course when going under a certain level of development we have the problem that less is registered so lets ignore the bottom of this list:
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate[/url]
It's difficult but what stands out is that countries like Japan and SK are not better off than lets say Kazakhstan but then again with giant media empires reporting stuff like in the OP there comes stress and pressure in an industrialized society.
Conclusion: I don't know, we don't know and experts only know slighty more so lets not jump to conclusions.
This data is all for the US
There are around 40,000 suicides every year (all ages) and suicide is the greatest killer of 15-24 year olds.
The deaths from suicides vary with population, with around 0.012% of the population dying by suicide each year.
Males have a higher "success" rate for suicide, favouring more lethal methods such as hanging and firearms. Females tend to take less effective methods such as overdose and poison. There are three male suicide deaths for every female suicide death, though females account for more suicide attempts.
Around 17% of students grade 9-12 have seriously considered suicide.
On average EVERY 2 HOURS AND 11 MINUTES a person under the age of 25 completes suicide
[URL]http://www.teachervision.fen.com/education-and-social-issues/mental-health/57131.html#ixzz29SUl9RZS[/URL]
[URL]http://yellodyno.com/Statistics/statistics_teen_suicides.html[/URL]
[URL]http://www.afsp.org/[/URL]
Now while suicide is a horrible thing, why has this story gotten so much attention? Is it just because of her video?
I do think media attention casts a certain "martyr" view on the story. I still can't fathom why it is international news, however.
[QUOTE=Killuah;38057855]Since statistical data for this is rare I wouldn't start saying that suicide rates where higher or lower or the same for hundreds of years.[/QUOTE]
Good job no one has then huh
Way to jump the gun.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;38057957]Good job no one has then huh
Way to jump the gun.[/QUOTE]
No but you said that people have been jumping from bridges for hundreds of years, responding to
[quote] You can somewhat blame the media for that, suicides make good stories. I do agree that this case has been blown way, WAY out of proportion though.[/quote]
and so I was thinking further, trying to look at a possible connection between media coverage and suicide rates.
But you said we were jumping to conclusions about conclusions that were never made.
[QUOTE=pogothemunty;38057933]This data is all for the US
There are around 40,000 suicides every year (all ages) and suicide is the greatest killer of 15-24 year olds.
The deaths from suicides vary with population, with around 0.012% of the population dying by suicide each year.
Males have a higher "success" rate for suicide, favouring more lethal methods such as hanging and firearms. Females tend to take less effective methods such as overdose and poison. There are three male suicide deaths for every female suicide death, though females account for more suicide attempts.
Around 17% of students grade 9-12 have seriously considered suicide.
On average EVERY 2 HOURS AND 11 MINUTES a person under the age of 25 completes suicide
[URL]http://www.teachervision.fen.com/education-and-social-issues/mental-health/57131.html#ixzz29SUl9RZS[/URL]
[URL]http://yellodyno.com/Statistics/statistics_teen_suicides.html[/URL]
[URL]http://www.afsp.org/[/URL]
Now while suicide is a horrible thing, why has this story gotten so much attention? Is it just because of her video?
I do think media attention casts a certain "martyr" view on the story. I still can't fathom why it is international news, however.[/QUOTE]
My guess is that how this one has clear and flashy evidence that she was bullied online is what made this story since the internet is still the "new" thing and a faceless network of information is a perfect scapegoat.
[editline]16th October 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=NoDachi;38057994]But you said we were jumping to conclusions about conclusions that were never made.[/QUOTE]
That was more of a reference to my "loud thinking" (if you will), not to you. Sorry if it looked like that.
Cheers
[IMG]http://partialobjects.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/suicide-rates-since-1900.jpg[/IMG]
Draw your own conclusions from the data, but suicides of 15-44 year olds have been on the rise since 1950 while older age groups have generally fallen.
[QUOTE=Killuah;38057997]My guess is that how this one has clear and flashy evidence that she was bullied online is what made this story since the internet is still the "new" thing and a faceless network of information is a perfect scapegoat.
[editline]16th October 2012[/editline]
That was more of a reference to my "loud thinking" (if you will), not to you. Sorry if it looked like that.
Cheers[/QUOTE]
I suspected that the reason was because of the cyber bullying aspect that the media is trying to highlight. While the article doesn't mention it at all, stating only irl abuse - the title refers only to the cyber aspect.
[QUOTE=pogothemunty;38058006][IMG]http://partialobjects.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/suicide-rates-since-1900.jpg[/IMG]
Draw your own conclusions from the data, but suicides of 15-44 year olds have been on the rise since 1950 while older age groups have generally fallen.
I suspected that the reason was because of the cyber bullying aspect that the media is trying to highlight. While the article doesn't mention it at all, stating only irl abuse - the title refers only to the cyber aspect.[/QUOTE]
It's in the first line.
I tribute Hitler every year because those mean russians bullied him into suicide ;_;7
I think it's pretty stupid to do this but whatever, I'm not anywhere near it
Showed my tits on the internet, had terrible relationships, now I've done killed myself.
Not sure how many of you have been there to help someone that's on the brink of total self destruction, but your graphs and statistics are made for losers. It's a fucking tough job implanting a little strength in people through words, telling em it ain't fuckin worth it cause they did something dumb. It's better to laugh it off when you're older than be dead.
I don't see why the people can't just block the people that are bullying them
I have absolutely no sympathy for people who suicide with no other reason than cyber-bullying.
IF they're being ACTUALLY bullied in real life, and they have issues at home (ie. abusive parents), I can understand the consideration.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;38058347]The girl didn't kill herself just because some people on facebook called her dumb. People harassed her for months and months for really no justified reason whatsoever, both online and IRL, physically and verbally.
Why would you blame the victim?[/QUOTE]
Well, if it was verbal and physical IRL, I still really don't feel sympathy for them, because they're forgetting the key rules of "It's only for a few years" and "It gets better".
Where as if it's abusive parents, you have to live with them your whole life. Some dumb bullies in high school are gone after 3 years anyway. So why bother with them?
Then there's what the defines "physical" bullying. Punches and kicking, or just slight pushing? If it's the first, fine. I understand the depression, but not the suicidal tendencies. If it's just pushing, I don't.
This is coming from someone who was both physically and verbally abused and bullied all the way through elementary school to collage, so I know what she's gone through. I don't understand why she felt suicide was a valid way out.
For anyone who doesn't know what or why:
[URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1217741"]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1217741[/URL]
Wait she was actually bullied as in physically abused
why is everyone calling this cyberbullying then
Check the other thread, it's got far more detail on the events leading up to her death.
[QUOTE=leach139;38057784]You can somewhat blame the media for that, suicides make good stories. I do agree that this case has been blown way, WAY out of proportion though.[/QUOTE]
Last I checked, the media avoided suicides like the plague because it's 100% misery, doesn't gain them ratings and encourages copycat behaviour.
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