[QUOTE=kaze4159;43570532]That's one hell of a title :v:[/QUOTE]
PSGamesN: We because quality. Ever.
Can it really run games decently? If so, maybe the pricetag isn't that high, all things considered
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;43570595]Can it really run games decently? If so, maybe the pricetag isn't that high, all things considered[/QUOTE]
For a small form factor PC, it really is quite beefy. You can't really max anything out more demanding than, say, Civ 5, but then again Civ really does run a treat on it.
The Haswell IGPs, even the non-Iris Pro ones, are greatly improved over their previous counterparts.
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;43570595]Can it really run games decently? If so, maybe the pricetag isn't that high, all things considered[/QUOTE]
[video=youtube;BjPD7poGK34]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjPD7poGK34[/video]
The pro can produce some nice quality framerate.
But more to the point, it can play Civilization V and Anno 2070 easily with 30-60 fps.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;43570540]PSGamesN: We because quality. Ever.[/QUOTE]
HEAD*DESK*FFS
[editline]17th January 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=darth-veger;43570629][video=youtube;BjPD7poGK34]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjPD7poGK34[/video]
The pro can produce some nice quality framerate.
But more to the point, it can play Civilization V and Anno 2070 easily with 30-60 fps.[/QUOTE]
It was Rome 2 that made me really sit up. CA have done a lot of work on optimisation, and the integrated GPU is actually not terrible. Weird times.
is it still ARM based?
Nah keep the title it's kind of funny. I always wanted one of these, now I really want one.
[QUOTE=pcgntim;43570697]HEAD*DESK*FFS
[editline]17th January 2014[/editline]
It was Rome 2 that made me really sit up. CA have done a lot of work on optimisation, and the integrated GPU is actually not terrible. Weird times.[/QUOTE]
[video=youtube;6GEC-v2Te5E]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GEC-v2Te5E[/video]
Yeah perhaps not the greatest graphics but hey, you are playing fucking Rome 2 from a tablet which you put in your bag and could play in the train. Also a pretty solid FPS.
[QUOTE=Mega1mpact;43570742]is it still ARM based?[/QUOTE]
Surface 2 is ARM. Surface Pro 2 is a full Windows PC - Haswell i7.
[QUOTE=Mega1mpact;43570742]is it still ARM based?[/QUOTE]
Intel Core i5 4200U @ 1,6 GHz for the Pro and a Nvidia Tegra 4 ARM for the regular.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;43570540]PSGamesN: We because quality. Ever.[/QUOTE]
Someone needs to buy the bot this title.
[QUOTE=pcgntim;43570754]Surface 2 is ARM. Surface Pro 2 is a full Windows PC - Haswell i7.[/QUOTE]
Psst, what happened to quizmass?
Cant the Surface play Portal 2 on max?
I have an RT.
Such a nice device, but it's a shame that I can't run or install [I]anything[/I] on it.
[QUOTE=Sally;43570987]Cant the Surface play Portal 2 on max?[/QUOTE]
That's very likely, but you'll still have to deal with the fact that it's running Windows 8 or later. I'm not saying that is objectively bad, but it's something to consider at the very least.
[QUOTE=Mega1mpact;43570742]is it still ARM based?[/QUOTE]
Surface pro is x84-64 and runs win8
Surface is arm and runs win-rt
[QUOTE=mastersrp;43571099]That's very likely, but you'll still have to deal with the fact that it's running Windows 8 or later. I'm not saying that is objectively bad, but it's something to consider at the very least.[/QUOTE]
Why would a good, very touch screen oriented OS be bad on a computer that has a touchscreen as an integral part of it?
[QUOTE=wraithcat;43571222]Surface pro is x84-64 and runs win8
Surface is arm and runs win-rt
Why would a good, very touch screen oriented OS be bad on a computer that has a touchscreen as an integral part of it?[/QUOTE]
Some people prefer to use different operating systems than the bloated hell Windows has become (slightly so with 7, but even more so with 8 taking up to 30GB of HDD space, last time I used it anyway). I'm not trying to start a flame war, merely putting it out there because it's important to some people, myself included.
[QUOTE=mastersrp;43571761]Some people prefer to use different operating systems than the bloated hell Windows has become (slightly so with 7, but even more so with 8 taking up to 30GB of HDD space, last time I used it anyway). I'm not trying to start a flame war, merely putting it out there because it's important to some people, myself included.[/QUOTE]
People who would get annoyed by it could download 2-3 programs to make Windows 8 feel like Windows 7. Windows 8 really should not be something that should hold you back from buying this if you were considering it.
[QUOTE=darth-veger;43571925]People who would get annoyed by it could download 2-3 programs to make Windows 8 feel like Windows 7. Windows 8 really should not be something that should hold you back from buying this if you were considering it.[/QUOTE]
I feel this is the wrong place to have the discussion, but what incentive is there to do this, instead of just smacking Windows 7 on the machine instead? Or another operating system that would look like Windows 7 anyway?
If you can afford it it's honestly the best tablet out there.
[QUOTE=Diet Kane;43571081]I have an RT.
Such a nice device, but it's a shame that I can't run or install [I]anything[/I] on it.[/QUOTE]
[I][U][B]Wrong.[/B][/U][/I]
[url]http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/how-to-unlock-your-windows-rt-device/[/url]
[QUOTE=mastersrp;43572093]I feel this is the wrong place to have the discussion, but what incentive is there to do this, instead of just smacking Windows 7 on the machine instead? Or another operating system that would look like Windows 7 anyway?[/QUOTE]
Because in the end you're dropping out some performance improvements because you don't want to have to see a metro menu for a few seconds? I seriously only use my metro UI because I [i]want[/i] to, and put most of my shortcuts there.
[QUOTE=Warship;43572323][I][U][B]Wrong.[/B][/U][/I]
[url]http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/how-to-unlock-your-windows-rt-device/[/url][/QUOTE]
doesn't work for 8.1
[QUOTE=Warship;43572323][I][U][B]Wrong.[/B][/U][/I]
[url]http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/how-to-unlock-your-windows-rt-device/[/url][/QUOTE]
That just lets you install whatever you want that's compatible, but there's a very limited library of things you can install. Windows RT cannot run x86 programs because it runs on ARM, unless the program was designed for both (believe the new metro app system works like this, could be wrong). A lot of the appeal of surface tablets for people on here at least is being able to play pretty much all your windows games on the go, while still being able to use it as a really functional tablet. The RT literally cannot do that, it is a hardware based impossibility
[QUOTE=Elspin;43572384]Because in the end you're dropping out some performance improvements because you don't want to have to see a metro menu for a few seconds? I seriously only use my metro UI because I [i]want[/i] to, and put most of my shortcuts there.[/QUOTE]
On my current machine (which is about 6 years old) I noticed no performance improvements at all when using Windows 8, quite the opposite in fact. Windows 7 did a really really great job compared to the previous Windows iteration I had installed (Windows Vista), but Windows 8 never did the thing for me. But that's just my case of experience, and what you wrote is only your case of experience, not objective fact.
I was considering one of these, it gets about the same benchmarks as my laptop, the only down side is the lack of GPU, but my laptop is a Radeon 6600 which is pretty weak by today's standards. I'd like a price drop for the 256GB SSD/8GB RAM version though, a 128GB SSD and 4GB of RAM is all but useless to me. I'm also waiting for the power cover.
[QUOTE=darth-veger;43570629]The pro can produce some nice quality framerate.
But more to the point, it can play Civilization V and Anno 2070 easily with 30-60 fps.[/QUOTE]
Cool, that's exactly what I would want to play on a tablet. I play lots of PC games but I never really bothered on my phone or my galaxy tab.
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