• Kojima on Metal Gear Survive: "that's got nothing to do with me"
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[QUOTE=Noi;51071492]Metal Gear without Kojima is not a true Metal Gear. Why are we still here, just to suffer?[/QUOTE] So what, is James Bond without Ian Fleming not a true Janes Bond story? Because the movies have been going on for over 50 years and Fleming died in the late 60s iirc.
as said before, if you've bashed Konami as the worst company ever and buy this game regardless, for consumer use, you're braindead [editline]18th September 2016[/editline] if you want to support who you believe to be the real developer, buy HIS game instead.
To be honest, I may still buy this game. The game engine is so nice and having Coop can make a shit game still fun. Seems like a waste of a game engine.
[QUOTE=Sgt. Khorn;51072180]Seems like a waste of a game engine.[/QUOTE] Just out of curiosity, would you still say the same thing if it [I]weren't[/I] labeled as a Metal Gear title? While I'm not too keen on the fact that they're calling it a Metal Gear game (regardless of it being a spin-off), the game itself in terms of concept is actually not that bad of an idea based how it was presented in the gameplay demo (at least in my opinion), even if it is basically just Generic Zombie Title #4739 in the long run. And before anyone jumps my shit about asking this, I'm not saying the game will be good just because it has the Metal Gear title thrown into its name; for all I know, it could very well be a total shitfest upon release. I'm just trying to view what's been presented from a more neutral standpoint than what I've seen most people doing at this point (and that seems to mostly revolve around flaming at Konami or condemning the game just because it has Metal Gear in the title and praising Kojima in the process).
[QUOTE=Sgt. Khorn;51072180]To be honest, I may still buy this game. The game engine is so nice and having Coop can make a shit game still fun. Seems like a waste of a game engine.[/QUOTE] It will be alright if its not a full priced game like some people are saying If its 60 dollars count me disinterested, the environments were already recycled too much in MGS5
[QUOTE=Katra804;51072321]Just out of curiosity, would you still say the same thing if it [I]weren't[/I] labeled as a Metal Gear title? While I'm not too keen on the fact that they're calling it a Metal Gear game (regardless of it being a spin-off), the game itself in terms of concept is actually not that bad of an idea based how it was presented in the gameplay demo (at least in my opinion), even if it is basically just Generic Zombie Title #4739 in the long run. And before anyone jumps my shit about asking this, I'm not saying the game will be good just because it has the Metal Gear title thrown into its name; for all I know, it could very well be a total shitfest upon release. I'm just trying to view what's been presented from a more neutral standpoint than what I've seen most people doing at this point (and that seems to mostly revolve around flaming at Konami or condemning the game just because it has Metal Gear in the title and praising Kojima in the process).[/QUOTE] Ultimately this game doesnt have the luxury of being judged in a vacuum, nor should it. The fact that it's basically just a shit ton of reused assets, doesn't have the pioneer of the series at the helm (nor a great deal of the studio), is ~~yet another zombie survival game~~, and happens to be made by Konami are all fairly valid criticsms.
[QUOTE=Katra804;51072321]Just out of curiosity, would you still say the same thing if it [I]weren't[/I] labeled as a Metal Gear title? While I'm not too keen on the fact that they're calling it a Metal Gear game (regardless of it being a spin-off), the game itself in terms of concept is actually not that bad of an idea based how it was presented in the gameplay demo (at least in my opinion), even if it is basically just Generic Zombie Title #4739 in the long run. And before anyone jumps my shit about asking this, I'm not saying the game will be good just because it has the Metal Gear title thrown into its name; for all I know, it could very well be a total shitfest upon release. I'm just trying to view what's been presented from a more neutral standpoint than what I've seen most people doing at this point (and that seems to mostly revolve around flaming at Konami or condemning the game just because it has Metal Gear in the title and praising Kojima in the process).[/QUOTE] If it was called something else and unrelated to Metal Gear, i'd still like to try it. Even though the story sounds dumb to me. The only part appealing to me is Coop, possible open world, and the fox engine. I don't plan to buy it on release, but wait for actual gameplay videos to see if it's worth it.
[QUOTE=Sgt. Khorn;51072180]To be honest, I may still buy this game. The game engine is so nice and having Coop can make a shit game still fun. Seems like a waste of a game engine.[/QUOTE] Not using the engine for [i]anything[/i] would be a waste of a game engine. If it's used even for anything, no matter what, it's not a waste.
[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;51072154]So what, is James Bond without Ian Fleming not a true Janes Bond story? Because the movies have been going on for over 50 years and Fleming died in the late 60s iirc.[/QUOTE] The difference being that the Bond movies were made with the blessing of him and (later) his estate.
[QUOTE=simkas;51073329]Not using the engine for [i]anything[/i] would be a waste of a game engine. If it's used even for anything, no matter what, it's not a waste.[/QUOTE] It feels a bit wasteful if they only produce games like this. No new content and nothing but Metal Gear.
[QUOTE=J!NX;51072161]as said before, if you've bashed Konami as the worst company ever and buy this game regardless, for consumer use, you're braindead [editline]18th September 2016[/editline] if you want to support who you believe to be the real developer, buy HIS game instead.[/QUOTE] Or just buy whatever looks fun 'cus it just video games.
[QUOTE=Noi;51071492]Metal Gear without Kojima is not a true Metal Gear. Why are we still here, just to suffer?[/QUOTE] I fucking hated metal gear solid 5. Amazing gameplay I know but the story and characters were total shit. The sniper was just for causing erections, the military story important people back at the base were all 1 sided and Snake said like 6 lines in the whole game. Was that true mgs? I don't fucking think so buddy. This Mgs could be really fun just for shooting things since the developers there learned from working on all those games. I mean for fucks sake I can't believe how the other metal gear solid games had me laughing, crying, skeptical etc. but mgs 5 was only boredom. I am doing repetitive missions in a FUCKING METAL GEAR SOLID GAME? Where are the stupid lines and quotes or a cutscene to enjoy character development? I have accepted that there will be no other Metal gear solid game after I played this piece of shit. (Excuse me if I offended you if you really enjoyed the stealth and all the shooting . )
[QUOTE=Sub-Zero;51075332]I fucking hated metal gear solid 5. Amazing gameplay I know but the story and characters were total shit. The sniper was just for causing erections, the military story important people back at the base were all 1 sided and Snake said like 6 lines in the whole game. Was that true mgs? I don't fucking think so buddy. This Mgs could be really fun just for shooting things since the developers there learned from working on all those games. I mean for fucks sake I can't believe how the other metal gear solid games had me laughing, crying, skeptical etc. but mgs 5 was only boredom. I am doing repetitive missions in a FUCKING METAL GEAR SOLID GAME? Where are the stupid lines and quotes or a cutscene to enjoy character development? I have accepted that there will be no other Metal gear solid game after I played this piece of shit. (Excuse me if I offended you if you really enjoyed the stealth and all the shooting . )[/QUOTE] If that former KojiPro employee is to be believed, a shitload of content that was originally planned (warring factions in the battlefield, returning to camp omega, like two whole chapters, an open world in a soviet base and some US locale, some kind of racing minigame with Mother Base staff, i think a companion, a Snake Eater style intro, more story, the Kingdom of The Flies arc, extensive Mother Base customization, actually establishing Outer Heaven, Co-Op, Ground Zeroes originally being after you rescue Kaz, and a lot more) were cut due to Konami making continuous demands of the team to change the Fox Engine and optimize it for things that werent Third Person Stealth games which led to the game frequently being unstable and buggy during development, as well as forcing the team to make the game to fit on the PS3/360 leading to massive memory and content restrictions, and cutting development short/splitting a portion of the game to make more money. So im just gonna continue not being optimistic about a game from the company that, uh, quite literally fucked it all up.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;51075784]If that former KojiPro employee is to be believed, a shitload of content that was originally planned (warring factions in the battlefield, returning to camp omega, like two whole chapters, an open world in a soviet base and some US locale, some kind of racing minigame with Mother Base staff, i think a companion, a Snake Eater style intro, more story, the Kingdom of The Flies arc, extensive Mother Base customization, actually establishing Outer Heaven, Co-Op, Ground Zeroes originally being after you rescue Kaz, and a lot more) were cut due to Konami making continuous demands of the team to change the Fox Engine and optimize it for things that werent Third Person Stealth games which led to the game frequently being unstable and buggy during development, as well as forcing the team to make the game to fit on the PS3/360 leading to massive memory and content restrictions, and cutting development short/splitting a portion of the game to make more money. So im just gonna continue not being optimistic about a game from the company that, uh, quite literally fucked it all up.[/QUOTE] don't know why you're referencing a 4chan post that was full of past "leaks" and "rumors" made up before mgsv released.
[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;51076342]don't know why you're referencing a 4chan post that was full of past "leaks" and "rumors" made up before mgsv released.[/QUOTE] Except a number of those were mentioned as having been planned by Kojima and his team but never showed up, and the series has had a history of removing content due to console limitations (Kojima wanted an open world as far back as MGS3 and the battlefield stealth concept draws from concepts dumbed down in MGS4), they danced around whether it'd be on previous gen for as long as they could before Ground Zeroes was released, and they were doing Fox Engine jungle tests as far back as 2011?
[QUOTE=AaronM202;51077143]Except a number of those were mentioned as having been planned by Kojima and his team but never showed up, and the series has had a history of removing content due to console limitations (Kojima wanted an open world as far back as MGS3 and the battlefield stealth concept draws from concepts dumbed down in MGS4), they danced around whether it'd be on previous gen for as long as they could before Ground Zeroes was released, and they were doing Fox Engine jungle tests as far back as 2011?[/QUOTE] As far as "leaks" go that one was pretty absurd though. There were bits and bobs in there that were outright false. There have been more convincing MGSV leaks than that over the years, all of which turned out to be lies.
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