• i7 system build need advice
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So my buddy talked me out of getting an i5 build and into an i7 build and I wanna get a different view point on what you guys think here is my Wish List from newegg so far. Let me just note beforehand that I'm keeping my current hard drive, water cooling system, and 5850 GPU, operating system, etc and just throwing it in the i7 system build. Also I plan on crossfiring my 5850 in the future. [URL="http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=10259854"]http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/Pu...umber=10259854[/URL] That's all the parts I really need for this to work just wondering what you guys think on the parts.
Get the HAF 922. There's only a 1" difference between the 922 and 932. Are you going to be doing gaming? If so get the i5. It performs better when gaming. Also the i7 is only better because of hyperthreading which games don't use right now. You would use hyperthreading for 3D modeling, or CAD, or compiling and other related tasks. And drop it down to 4GBs. 4GBs is perfect for gaming and your computer won't use anymore than 4GBs when gaming even if you have 6GBs. [editline]10:12PM[/editline] Also, 750W is too much. You'd be fine with a 500W.
[URL]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129024[/URL] [URL]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136218[/URL] [URL]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102857[/URL] [URL]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231277[/URL] [URL]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116754[/URL] [URL]http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.315747[/URL] may drop the case
Get this PSU: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139004[/url]
[QUOTE]Are you going to be doing gaming? If so get the i5. It performs better when gaming.[/QUOTE]Are you talking about DirectX9 games? That was the same thing when going from Single Core proccesors to dual-core processors once games started using 2 cores the performance doubled. Then Quad Cores came out while they weren't supported by many games at the time they are now and you can also see a double performance wise. When these newer games come out you will see the i7 performing better probably not as big of a jump as going from dual core to quad core but a respectable amount in the benchmarking world. For example don't expect a Quad Core proccesor to out perform a single core proccesor on an older game (just to throw a popular older game out there) Diablo 2 for example your not going to see a performance difference on that game from using a dual core to quad core because it's simply old software not using new hardware. [QUOTE]Also the i7 is only better because of hyperthreading which games don't use right now. You would use hyperthreading for 3D modeling, or CAD, or compiling and other related tasks. [/QUOTE]Hyperthreading has been used in games forever in fact to name an old game for example that uses hyper threading Warcraft 3, even WoW uses it. Hyperthreading is not some new technology in fact I think it's been even used on the Single Core proccesors back in the day [QUOTE]And drop it down to 4GBs. 4GBs is perfect for gaming and your computer won't use anymore than 4GBs when gaming even if you have 6GBs.[/QUOTE]Wouldn't this defeat the purpose of triple channel? edit: after re-reading my post it kinda sounded like i was attacking you... just wanna let you know that's not the case and I appreciate your advice :) [QUOTE]Get this PSU: [URL="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139004"]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817139004[/URL][/QUOTE]Did you not read my post I'm planning on crossfiring in the future a 550watt won't cut it. [editline]10:12PM[/editline]
550 Watts for 5850s in crossfire is more than enough. [img]http://media.bestofmicro.com/W/L/225381/original/Power%20Consumption.png[/img] And triple channel isn't all it's cracked up to be. There is no significant performance gain between dual and triple. And it will be completely pointless to have 6GBs when your computer won't use more than 4GBs. It's a waste of money. [editline]10:45PM[/editline] [QUOTE]edit: after re-reading my post it kinda sounded like i was attacking you... just wanna let you know that's not the case and I appreciate your advice :)[/QUOTE] Also, rated you heart for this.
[QUOTE=roberts91;19513249]Are you talking about DirectX9 games? That was the same thing when going from Single Core proccesors to dual-core processors once games started using 2 cores the performance doubled. Then Quad Cores came out while they weren't supported by many games at the time they are now and you can also see a double performance wise. When these newer games come out you will see the i7 performing better probably not as big of a jump as going from dual core to quad core but a respectable amount in the benchmarking world. For example don't expect a Quad Core proccesor to out perform a single core proccesor on an older game (just to throw a popular older game out there) Diablo 2 for example your not going to see a performance difference on that game from using a dual core to quad core because it's simply old software not using new hardware.[/QUOTE] it'll be a long fucking time before regular applications start using 8 cores, hell it hasn't been long since 4 cores started to stand out over 2, don't try to plan for the long distant future sacrificing the rest of the build for false hopes
[QUOTE=ghostofme;19513715]550 Watts for 5850s in crossfire is more than enough. [/QUOTE] That chart is calculating the total of the 2 cards alone. Not the entire computer you have to include the power consumption of the CPU, Fans, hard drives, dvd drives, your devices like keyboard and mouse if they are not powered by battery. So when you actually think about it a 650watt would do fine for crossfire but I like to be on the safe side just incase I want to add stuff on later on. Like for instance even a third video card edit: Also the 1366 is more future proof which adds a bonus, also a 1156 only supports x8 / x8 when dual gpuing while 1366 can do x16 / x16.
[QUOTE=roberts91;19513908]That chart is calculating the total of the 2 cards alone. Not the entire computer you have to include the power consumption of the CPU, Fans, hard drives, dvd drives, your devices like keyboard and mouse if they are not powered by battery. So when you actually think about it a 650watt would do fine for crossfire but I like to be on the safe side just incase I want to add stuff on later on. Like for instance even a third video card edit: Also the 1366 is more future proof which adds a bonus, also a 1156 only supports x8 / x8 when dual gpuing while 1366 can do x16 / x16.[/QUOTE] Yes it is. That's the power consumption of an entire computer.
[QUOTE=roberts91;19513908]That chart is calculating the total of the 2 cards alone. Not the entire computer you have to include the power consumption of the CPU, Fans, hard drives, dvd drives, your devices like keyboard and mouse if they are not powered by battery. So when you actually think about it a 650watt would do fine for crossfire but I like to be on the safe side just incase I want to add stuff on later on. Like for instance even a third video card[/QUOTE] tom's hardware test it as a full system and it'll be a long time before you will need anything more than 2x 5850s, most likely with enough advancements that another card just isn't worth it no offence, but it pisses me off when people ask for help then deny everything suggested assuming they know better.
Also, there's no such thing as future proofing. [editline]11:04PM[/editline] [QUOTE=reapaninja;19514110] no offence, but it pisses me off when people ask for help then deny everything suggested assuming they know better.[/QUOTE] Same here. It really destroys the purpose of creating a thread.
[QUOTE=roberts91;19513908]edit: Also the 1366 is more [B]future proof[/B] which adds a bonus, also a 1156 only supports x8 / x8 when dual gpuing while 1366 can do x16 / x16.[/QUOTE] dohoho see [url]http://www.facepunch.com/showpost.php?p=19513875&postcount=7[/url] as a long time supporter of i5 over i7 unless actually appropriate, I've seen every excuse, and "future proofing" is an incredibly poor one (seeing as there is [i]no such thing as future proofing when it comes to hardware[/i]), as is "it's a better socket" no current card maxes PCI-E 1.0, it won't be a problem for a good while 1366 is a server/workstation socket. stick to the mainstream 1156
[QUOTE=reapaninja;19514110]tom's hardware test it as a full system and it'll be a long time before you will need anything more than 2x 5850s, most likely with enough advancements that another card just isn't worth it no offence, but it pisses me off when people ask for help then deny everything suggested assuming they know better.[/QUOTE] Yea I know the feeling, sorry. I'm just an argumentative ass hole. :P edit: and for the fun of it and to show I'm not just pissing on everything suggested I made a i5 build and tell me any suggestions you have for it [url]http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=17182847[/url]
Oh and they are adding onto 1156 sockets, not 1136. Like today, they just released a bunch of new i5s/i3s for socket 1156.
[QUOTE=ghostofme;19513715]550 Watts for 5850s in crossfire is more than enough. [img]http://media.bestofmicro.com/W/L/225381/original/Power%20Consumption.png[/img] And triple channel isn't all it's cracked up to be. There is no significant performance gain between dual and triple. And it will be completely pointless to have 6GBs when your computer won't use more than 4GBs. It's a waste of money. [editline]10:45PM[/editline] Also, rated you heart for this.[/QUOTE] always better to totally go overkill with power supplies. The less load it is under, the less chance it has of going wrong.
[QUOTE=Spartex;19514303]always better to totally go overkill with power supplies. The less load it is under, the less chance it has of going wrong.[/QUOTE] If you buy a decent psu it is fine.
[QUOTE=Spartex;19514303]always better to totally go overkill with power supplies. The less load it is under, the less chance it has of going wrong.[/QUOTE] That's not even close to being true. Even when crossfiring 5850s on a 550W PSU he's gonna have roughly 80W of wiggle room.
PSUs are always better off when they are run lower than their max capacity, while it's overkill to use an 1k power supply, it will last longer and run cooler at 500w then a 650w power supply. General rule, buy a power supply that supplies 20-30% more power than you need, it gives you room for upgrades and overclocking, as well as reducing the load on the psu.
[QUOTE=zanraptora;19515747]PSUs are always better off when they are run lower than their max capacity, while it's overkill to use an 1k power supply, it will last longer and run cooler at 500w then a 650w power supply. General rule, buy a power supply that supplies 20-30% more power than you need, it gives you room for upgrades and overclocking, as well as reducing the load on the psu.[/QUOTE] If you buy a good PSU you shouldn't have to worry about the load on it.
[QUOTE=ghostofme;19519006]If you buy a good PSU you shouldn't have to worry about the load on it.[/QUOTE] Ghostofme, as a general rule you don't want to use more than 90% of the total load of a PSU. This is mainly because most companies that produce PSUs give the amount of watts generated by a power supply at 25C(77F), which is an extremely low temperature for people to get. And as temperature increases the amount of watts produced by a PSU drops.
umm hi .. That Sapphire 5850 -System Requirements 500 Watt or greater power supply with 2x 75W 6-pin PCI Express power connector recommended (600 Watt and four 6-pin connectors for ATI CrossFireX Technology in dual mode) -Power Connector 2 x 6 Pin That 550W Corsair VX -1x 6 Pin -1x 6+2 Pin Just a heads up =)
-snip- *cough* [editline]04:33PM[/editline] Get the PSU in the OP, or find a <750W PSU with 4x 6pins.
oh yea, you could always use 2 molex's + adapter to 6 pin or 8 pin ... sorry forgot about that
[QUOTE=roberts91;19513908]That chart is calculating the total of the 2 cards alone. Not the entire computer you have to include the power consumption of the CPU, Fans, hard drives, dvd drives, your devices like keyboard and mouse if they are not powered by battery. So when you actually think about it a 650watt would do fine for crossfire but I like to be on the safe side just incase I want to add stuff on later on. Like for instance even a third video card edit: Also the 1366 is more future proof which adds a bonus, also a 1156 only supports x8 / x8 when dual gpuing while 1366 can do x16 / x16.[/QUOTE] no that is the whole computer dude
[QUOTE=ghostofme;19515007]That's not even close to being true. Even when crossfiring 5850s on a 550W PSU he's gonna have roughly 80W of wiggle room.[/QUOTE] Yes but a psu runs at maximum efficiency when it is under rougly 50 - 60% load.
[QUOTE=Spartex;19580741]Yes but a psu runs at maximum efficiency when it is under rougly 50 - 60% load.[/QUOTE] If you have a good PSU that isn't true.
Went with the i7 system everything should be here thursday
pics?
[QUOTE=ghostofme;19580842]If you have a good PSU that isn't true.[/QUOTE] Yes it is since the back of my corsair box tells me :v:
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