• Alabama's Immigration Law Passes (Or, Jim Crow for the Twenty First Century!)
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[quote]Alabama set a new national standard for get-tough immigration policy Thursday with Gov. Robert J. Bentley's signing of a law that surpasses Arizona's SB 1070, with provisions affecting law enforcement, transportation, apartment rentals, employment and education. The new law, combined with legislation passed in May by neighboring Georgia, has arguably made this swath of the Deep South the nation's hottest immigration battleground, with the region's troubled racial history fueling the fire. Opponents here, perhaps predictably, often refer to that history in denouncing new laws they deem to be not only unconstitutional but motivated by bigotry. The 72-page legislation known as HB 56 also touches on issues as diverse as contract law and voter registration. It makes Alabama the fourth state, after Georgia, Utah and Indiana, to follow Arizona's lead in enacting significant statewide immigration laws, potentially mollifying those voters frustrated with Washington's perceived failure to deal with the estimated 11 million illegal immigrants living in the U.S. Other states, including California, Florida, Nevada and Texas, have seen SB 1070-style bills fail during this year's legislative sessions, and portions of the Arizona law — including the provision requiring police to check the immigration status of those they stop and suspect are in the country illegally — have been blocked by a federal judge and may land before the Supreme Court. The American Civil Liberties Union declared its intention Thursday to file a lawsuit opposing HB 56, arguing that it would invite racial profiling and require police to "demand 'papers' from people they stop whom they suspect are not authorized to be in the U.S." "This draconian initiative signed into law this morning by Gov. Robert Bentley is so oppressive that even Bull Connor himself would be impressed," said Wade Henderson, head of the Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights, referring to Birmingham's notorious segregationist public safety commissioner from the civil rights era. "HB 56 is designed to do nothing more than terrorize the state's Latino community." Inside and outside Alabama, however, proponents of a more robust immigration policy praised the law, whose main legislative sponsors included a construction company owner and an electrical contractor. "We have a real problem with illegal immigration in this country," Bentley, a first-term Republican governor and Southern Baptist deacon, said after signing the law, according to wire service reports. "I campaigned for the toughest immigration laws and I'm proud of the Legislature for working tirelessly to create the strongest immigration bill in the country." Mark Krikorian, executive director for the Center for Immigration Studies in Washington, said he expected the law to be effective in curbing illegal immigration. "I think this shows one more case of states moving to do what the Obama administration is unwilling to do," Krikorian said. "This wouldn't be happening if the administration were credible on enforcement, but it's just not." In an echo of the Arizona law, the Alabama legislation requires that police, in the course of any lawful "stop, detention or arrest," make a reasonable attempt to determine a person's citizenship and immigration status, given a "reasonable suspicion" that the person is an immigrant, unless doing so would hinder an investigation. It outlaws illegal immigrants from receiving any state or local public benefits, bars them from enrolling in or attending public colleges, and prohibits them from applying for or soliciting work. [b]It forbids the harboring and transport of illegal immigrants[/b], and outlaws renting them property or "knowingly" employing them for any work within the state. It also makes it a "discriminatory practice" to fire, or decline to hire, a legal resident when an illegal one is on the payroll. The law criminalizes "dealing in false identification documents" and, beginning April 1, will require every business in the state to verify employees' immigration status using the federal E-Verify system. It deems invalid any contract to which an illegal immigrant is a party if the legal party in the contract has "direct or constructive knowledge" that the other person was in the country illegally. And it requires a citizenship check for people registering to vote. For opponents, one of the most disturbing provisions [b]is a requirement that officials in K-12 public schools determine whether students are illegal immigrants.[/b] It will not ban the students from schools, but rather require every school district to submit an annual report on the number of presumed illegal immigrants to the state education board. But Ali Noorani, head of the National Immigration Forum, fears that simply asking parents about their children's immigration status will cause them to pull their kids from school.[/quote] [url=http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jun/10/nation/la-na-alabama-immigration-20110610]Source[/url] :colbert:
And people say Republicans/the South aren't racist...
[QUOTE=staticman;30504907]And people say Republicans/the South aren't racist...[/QUOTE] Not everyone in the Deep South is racist, just a good chunk of them.
snipe!
[QUOTE=Gabe Newell;30504930]they're ILLEGAL. they shouldn't have any rights as a citizen[/QUOTE] No human is "illegal" :colbert:
[QUOTE=Gabe Newell;30504930]they're ILLEGAL. they shouldn't have any rights as a citizen[/QUOTE] Here's a radical idea: [B]stop making it near impossible to immigrate to the country. [/B]Also, some indians would like to have a word with you...
[QUOTE=staticman;30504954]Here's a radical idea: [b]stop making it near impossible to immigrate to the country.[/b][/QUOTE] snip
[QUOTE=Gabe Newell;30504978]i didn't know it was hard. care to elaborate[/QUOTE] Now someones gonna post that giant overhyped chart about how it takes 10 years to get into the US or something :sigh:
[QUOTE=ThatHippyMan;30504946]No human is "illegal" :colbert:[/QUOTE] snip
[QUOTE=Gabe Newell;30504978]i didn't know it was hard. care to elaborate[/QUOTE] Don't you have a company to run?
[QUOTE=Gabe Newell;30504978]i didn't know it was hard. care to elaborate[/QUOTE] Lemme find that graph real quick. [b]Edit:[/b] Here it is! [img]http://reason.com/assets/db/07cf533ddb1d06350cf1ddb5942ef5ad.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Gabe Newell;30504930]they're ILLEGAL. they shouldn't have any rights as a citizen[/QUOTE] yeah like jews amirite
So what happens if a teacher randomly abuses the power of picking out 'illegals'? I would presume that would cost the state far too much money on investigation.
[QUOTE=Gabe Newell;30505006]they ILLEGALLY immigrated to the country and should not have rights until they are. [B]but if anyone shows me that the process of becoming a citizen is bullshit then my opinion is swayed[/B][/QUOTE] [url=http://www.chinatownstories.com/how-hard-is-it-to-immigrate/]Five seconds on Google yielded this.[/url] Not to mention that most natural born Americans wouldn't be able to pass the immigration test.
If it wasn't for the part about the cops being able to stop anyone they want and demand citizenship papers I really wouldn't have much problem with anything in it Not being able to "transport" illegal immigrants is kind of iffy too, I thought you Americans had constitutionally protected freedom of association
[QUOTE=ThatHippyMan;30505044][url=http://www.chinatownstories.com/how-hard-is-it-to-immigrate/]Five seconds on Google yielded this.[/url] Not to mention that most natural born Americans wouldn't be able to pass the immigration test.[/QUOTE] snip.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;30505050]If it wasn't for the part about the cops being able to stop anyone they want and demand citizenship papers I really wouldn't have much problem with anything in it Not being able to "transport" illegal immigrants is kind of iffy too, I thought you Americans had constitutionally protected freedom of association[/QUOTE] The Constitution? People still use that thing here in America?
[QUOTE=Atlascore;30505107]Only on crappy shows like Law and Order.[/QUOTE] I always assumed that was speculative fiction. "Hey, what if we [i]actually[/i] used the Constitution? Radical idea, I know, but I think we could make a show about it!"
It's ironic that the U.S., a country almost completely founded by immigrants, is one of the hardest countries to immigrate into.
[QUOTE=ThatHippyMan;30505044] Not to mention that most natural born Americans wouldn't be able to pass the immigration test.[/QUOTE] Immigrants studied for the test, and when people ask natural born Americans, they haven't studied what immigrants had to study before taking the test.
[QUOTE=ThatHippyMan;30504946]No human is "illegal" :colbert:[/QUOTE] They are if they break the law. They immagrated [b]ILLEGALY[/b]
[QUOTE='[sluggo];30505231']They are if they break the law. They immagrated [b]ILLEGALY[/b][/QUOTE] As if we didn't hundreds of years ago. :colbert:
[QUOTE=Fhenexx;30505162]It's ironic that the U.S., a country almost completely founded by immigrants, is the hardest country to immigrate into.[/QUOTE] Ok, immagrate to North Korea, then to America, and tell me America is more difficult.
[QUOTE='[sluggo];30505231']They are if they break the law. They immagrated [b]ILLEGALY[/b][/QUOTE] I like how people keep bolding that word. You also [b]FAILED[/B] to [b]TAKE[/b] into account how [b]HARD[/b] it is to get to the USA [b]LEGALLY.[/b] [editline]16th June 2011[/editline] [QUOTE='[sluggo];30505249']Ok, immagrate to North Korea, then to America, and tell me America is more difficult.[/QUOTE] It's easy to immigrate to North Korea. Glorious North Korea takes all for Glorious Leader's Labor Camps.
[QUOTE=ThatHippyMan;30505254]I like how people keep bolding that word. You also [b]FAILED[/B] to [b]TAKE[/b] into account how [b]HARD[/b] it is to get to the USA [b]LEGALLY.[/b] [editline]16th June 2011[/editline] It's easy to immigrate to North Korea. Glorious North Korea takes all for Glorious Leader's Labor Camps.[/QUOTE] It is [b]HARD[/b] to not kill somebody you hate, does that mean you should kill them?
[QUOTE=ThatHippyMan;30505254]I like how people keep bolding that word. You also [b]FAILED[/B] to [b]TAKE[/b] into account how [b]HARD[/b] it is to get to the USA [b]LEGALLY.[/b] [/QUOTE] Doesn't matter. It's [b]HARD[/b] to make a [b]BILLION DOLLARS[/b] without [b]STEALING[/b], but that doesn't make it [b]ACCEPTABLE[/b] to [b]STEAL[/b].
[QUOTE='[sluggo];30505285']It is [b]HARD[/b] to not kill somebody you hate, does that mean you should kill them?[/QUOTE] I hate a lot of people and I don't want to kill them. You're bad at this.
[QUOTE=ThatHippyMan;30505329]I hate a lot of people and I don't want to kill them. You're bad at this.[/QUOTE] Use analrapists example then.
[QUOTE=analrapist;30505310]Doesn't matter. It's [b]HARD[/b] to make a [b]BILLION DOLLARS[/b] without [b]STEALING[/b], but that doesn't make it [b]ACCEPTABLE[/b] to [b]STEAL[/b].[/QUOTE] this is a completely different situation. that doesn't even apply.
And all this shit about how [quote]OMG it so hard to get into USA and become citizen, bloo hoo hoo! :911:[/quote] is asinine. It's fucking HARD to get citizenship in MOST countries, and it damn well should be. We have 11%-16% unemployment in most states in the USA right now, and we don't need more fucking unskilled workers flooding the low end of the job pool and making things worse. [editline]16th June 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Gabe Newell;30505390]this is a completely different situation. that doesn't even apply.[/QUOTE] Why? ThatHippyMan is saying that it is acceptable to immigrate illegally because it is hard to do so legally. So using that logic it should be acceptable for me to engage in armed robbery in order to procure one billion dollars because it is hard to acquire one billion dollars without engaging in armed robbery.
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