• God is not the Creator, claims academic
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The notion of God as the Creator is wrong, claims a top academic, who believes the Bible has been wrongly translated for thousands of years. [quote]Professor Ellen van Wolde, a respected Old Testament scholar and author, claims the first sentence of Genesis "in the beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth" is not a true translation of the Hebrew. She claims she has carried out fresh textual analysis that suggests the writers of the great book never intended to suggest that God created the world -- and in fact the Earth was already there when he created humans and animals. Prof Van Wolde, 54, who will present a thesis on the subject at Radboud University in The Netherlands where she studies, said she had re-analysed the original Hebrew text and placed it in the context of the Bible as a whole, and in the context of other creation stories from ancient Mesopotamia. She said she eventually concluded the Hebrew verb "bara", which is used in the first sentence of the book of Genesis, does not mean "to create" but to "spatially separate". The first sentence should now read "in the beginning God separated the Heaven and the Earth" According to Judeo-Christian tradition, God created the Earth out of nothing. Prof Van Wolde, who once worked with the Italian academic and novelist Umberto Eco, said her new analysis showed that the beginning of the Bible was not the beginning of time, but the beginning of a narration. She said: "It meant to say that God did create humans and animals, but not the Earth itself." She writes in her thesis that the new translation fits in with ancient texts. According to them there used to be an enormous body of water in which monsters were living, covered in darkness, she said. She said technically "bara" does mean "create" but added: "Something was wrong with the verb. "God was the subject (God created), followed by two or more objects. Why did God not create just one thing or animal, but always more?" She concluded that God did not create, he separated: the Earth from the Heaven, the land from the sea, the sea monsters from the birds and the swarming at the ground. "There was already water," she said. "There were sea monsters. God did create some things, but not the Heaven and Earth. The usual idea of creating-out-of-nothing, creatio ex nihilo, is a big misunderstanding." God came later and made the earth livable, separating the water from the land and brought light into the darkness. She said she hoped that her conclusions would spark "a robust debate", since her finds are not only new, but would also touch the hearts of many religious people. She said: "Maybe I am even hurting myself. I consider myself to be religious and the Creator used to be very special, as a notion of trust. I want to keep that trust." A spokesman for the Radboud University said: "The new interpretation is a complete shake up of the story of the Creation as we know it." Prof Van Wolde added: [b]"The traditional view of God the Creator is untenable now."[/b] [/quote] This is really interesting. People who were ignorant creationists are basically disproved. It even supports my own beliefs as well. Source: [url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/6274502/God-is-not-the-Creator-claims-academic.html[/url]
MWAHAHAHAHAHAH! creationism is disproving its self thus science will be all that is left. MY PLAN IS WORKING!
Ahahaha I love when things like this happen.
Won't change religious people's opinions anyway
:iceburn: to religion
i dont have a problem with it... :| [editline]01:55PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Van-man;17774058]:iceburn: to religion[/QUOTE] how?
[QUOTE=johanz;17774054]Won't change religious people's opinions anyway[/QUOTE] no shit
Nothing of value has been lost. (lol) But all those die-hard religious people will still be crazy
oh snap!
So? The bit where Jesus goes into heaven wasn't in the original bible and they still believe that.
And yet another subculture of "organized" religion will exist in 3.....2.....1......
People have been changing what the Bible says to suit them for centuries, what's the big deal with this new guy doing it?
They never have before, so I doubt that religious people will start listening to science now. [QUOTE=Thom12255;17774160]People have been changing what the Bible says to suit them for centuries, what's the big deal with this new guy doing it?[/QUOTE] If the first line is wrong, fuck knows what else is.
Praise Allah
Does anyone else smell this? INCOMING SHITSTORM
[quote]People who were ignorant creationists are basically disproved.[/quote] Trying to bring logic into a debate that has none won't work.
[QUOTE=Craptasket;17774177]Praise Allah[/QUOTE] Islam is where it's at. i mean, shit, you can commit suicide with style [I]and[/I] become world famous in a matter of minutes in that religion.
Apparently he still created animals and humans, and separated land from sea (wtf?), so religion is still false.
[QUOTE=EnenehV2;17774297]Islam is where it's at. i mean, shit, you can commit suicide with style [I]and[/I] become world famous in a matter of minutes in that religion.[/QUOTE] You'll be hearing about me in the news in 2 days.
[QUOTE=BlueSaint;17774021]MWAHAHAHAHAHAH! creationism is disproving its self thus science will be all that is left. MY PLAN IS WORKING![/QUOTE] It's been disproving itself long before this...
[QUOTE=EnenehV2;17774297]Islam is where it's at. i mean, shit, you can commit suicide with style [I]and[/I] become world famous in a matter of minutes in that religion.[/QUOTE] And you get your own 72 virgins. I mean Hot Damn, who doesn't want their own 72 hot babes to screw when they're dead.
[QUOTE=Retardation;17774227]Shut up[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, but what ?
[b]GOD ISNT REAL!?!?[/b] What will you tell me next, im not allowed to kill gays!?
[QUOTE=Van-man;17774333]And you get your own 72 virgins. I mean Hot Damn, who doesn't want their own 72 hot babes to screw when they're dead.[/QUOTE] oh, fergot about that. our nearest Mosque is about 7 miles away. time to convert :D [editline]03:17PM[/editline] [QUOTE=LoserMan255;17774349]I'm sorry, but what ?[/QUOTE] ignore him, everyone hates him. it's in the name.
So god could really be an Alien now ! [img]http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/6931/1254787749247.jpg[/img]
you cant change what i believe!!!
[QUOTE=Mechanical43;17774439]So god could really be an Alien now ! [img]http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/6931/1254787749247.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Is it bad that I immediently looked at the chick's ass, not the awesome image?
ahh science and logic, slowly disproving religion day by day. I don't care about religion really, it's just those who have blown it way out of context.
i see a wave of uneducated non-lingual extreme cristians yelling "NOT TRUE" to this highly educated linguist who actually knows hebrew.
I don't understand what idiots would rate the OP dumb.
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