Federal Europe will be 'a reality in a few years', says Jose Manuel Barroso
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[quote]A fully fledged federal Europe may seem like "political science fiction" today but will soon become reality for all European Union countries whether inside or outside the euro, Jose Manuel Barroso has said.
The president of the European Commission has fanned the flames of British debate over EU membership by insisting that fiscal union in the eurozone will lead to "intensified political union" for all 27 member states.
"This is about the economic and monetary union but for the EU as a whole," he said.
"The commission will, therefore, set out its views and explicit ideas for treaty change in order for them to be debated before the European elections."
"We want to put all the elements on the table, in a clear and consistent way, even if some of them may sound like political science fiction today. They will be reality in a few years' time."
Mr Barroso's announcement that he will set out plans for a European federation next spring, before elections to the European Parliament in May 2014, will further deepen Conservative divisions over the EU.[/quote]
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A Federal Europe has been just a matter of time for a while now.
Anyway, I welcome our new European overlords.
im fine with this
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i think this would probably be a good thing on the whole, but maybe im wrong
[QUOTE=Hellduck;40561399]im fine with this
[editline]7th May 2013[/editline]
i think this would probably be a good thing on the whole, but maybe im wrong[/QUOTE]
I think European Federation would be a good thing, the first step into the right direction of uniting atleast most of mankind under a peaceful government.
Unless they make it an actual regulated Federation, it's not going to work. Too much autonomy and besides. Europe would literally collapse if the entire EU joined. There's too much debt and strife and it would cripple their economies to merge up.
[QUOTE=smeismastger;40561428]I think European Federation would be a good thing, the first step into the right direction of uniting atleast most of mankind under a peaceful government.[/QUOTE]
that's what i was thinking
Like seriously. There's too much cultural and economic division for it to work.
And too much history.
If it's an actual federation, then yeah that would be great for Europe.
But considering how nationalistic europeans are by nature, I'm not sure how he plans to do it.
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;40561449]Like seriously. There's too much cultural and economic division for it to work.[/QUOTE]
This is what they said about Russia.
All you need is a man with a tiny cock and big ego to sit at the top and have a cult of personality around him.
Back in the past they called him the czar or chairman.
[QUOTE=Teddybeer;40561448]No thanks.[/QUOTE]
Are you perchance english?
[QUOTE=smeismastger;40561428]I think European Federation would be a good thing, the first step into the right direction of uniting atleast most of mankind under a peaceful government.[/QUOTE]
but why should we need to be united under a single peaceful government when we have 30 or so perfectly functional peaceful governments already
you don't need political unity for peace, you need economic interdependence. in a politically unified state, government violence is entirely possible and historically frequent. but when it hurts everyone's wallet to invade the country next door, then you won't want to invade. that's exactly what the ECSC was designed to do and it worked perfectly.
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;40561449]Like seriously. There's too much cultural and economic division for it to work.[/QUOTE]
Not really. There is barely any difference between most Europeans.
Compare say, British, German and French culture to China or Japan and you realise that Europeans have very similar values.
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;40561572]Not really. There is barely any difference between most Europeans.
Compare say, British, German and French culture to China or Japan and you realise that Europeans have very similar values.[/QUOTE]
yes because yugoslavia and austria-hungary worked out so well
No, to hell with this. Let every nation handle their own business. Why would you want some constitution outside your country to apply universal laws and rules?
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[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40561545]This is what they said about Russia.
All you need is a man with a tiny cock and big ego to sit at the top and have a cult of personality around him.
Back in the past they called him the czar or chairman.[/QUOTE]
So long as it's just a very charismatic Trudeaumania type democratically elected person in this case... I'm cool with it.
[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;40561598]So long as it's just a very charismatic Trudeaumania type democratically elected person in this case... I'm cool with it.[/QUOTE]
ah yes, something we can agree on (apart from the democracy bit)
though I much preferred Frederick the Great
[QUOTE=Hellduck;40561399]im fine with this
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i think this would probably be a good thing on the whole, but maybe im wrong[/QUOTE]Quite a few issues that need to be sorted out (mainly economic), but it would be an impressive end result if it works. Something akin to the USA, where states have the last word on their own issues, and things that need to be applied across the board to work properly (human rights, cracking down on tax evasion etc.) are decided at a federal level.
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Go go
[QUOTE=Hellsten;40561592]No, to hell with this. Let every nation handle their own business. Why would you want some constitution outside your country to apply universal laws and rules?
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because your country's people are dumb as heck and can't handle their own
[QUOTE=Hellsten;40561592]No, to hell with this. Let every nation handle their own business. Why would you want some constitution outside your country to apply universal laws and rules?
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why wouldnt you? it's no different except you're united with more people
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;40561638]Quite a few issues that need to be sorted out (mainly economic), but it would be an impressive end result if it works. Something akin to the USA, where states have the last word on their own issues, and things that need to be applied across the board to work properly (human rights, cracking down on tax evasion etc.) are decided at a federal level.[/QUOTE]
if there's a paneuropean federation tbh i don't think any states should have any rights for any self determination
[QUOTE=Hellduck;40561653]why wouldnt you? it's no different except you're united with more people[/QUOTE]
They are different people so "unity" with them is a rather odd concept, no?
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[QUOTE=Eltro102;40561662]if there's a paneuropean federation tbh i don't think any states should have any rights for any self determination[/QUOTE]There are things that should be determined by the individual state imo, local laws that don't make sense in different cultures or climates. For example, here in Finland, it's the law that you need to keep your car headlights on all the time, as for a good portion of the year it's really dark during the day. This wouldn't make sense in Spain or other southern countries.
I think a European fed would undermine the extremly unique cultural flavours of the individual countries of Europe.
[QUOTE=Hellsten;40561592]No, to hell with this. Let every nation handle their own business. Why would you want some constitution outside your country to apply universal laws and rules?[/QUOTE]
Yeah dude because as we all know the political borders that exist today have always existed in that exact configuration and have never changed.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;40561677]They are different people so "unity" with them is a rather odd concept, no?[/QUOTE]
the whole point is that they're not very different people nor should they be
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;40561677]They are different people so "unity" with them is a rather odd concept, no?[/QUOTE]
no? any two people will be different from one another, but to say that not two people could share a sense of unity is a tragic thought i think
[QUOTE=Graavis;40561699]I think a European fed would undermine the extremly unique cultural flavours of the individual countries of Europe.[/QUOTE]
sarcasm??
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