• Leaked NSA Doc Says It Can Collect And Keep Your Encrypted Data
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[IMG]http://b-i.forbesimg.com/andygreenberg/files/2013/06/Screen-Shot-2013-06-20-at-6.15.19-PM.png[/IMG] [QUOTE]If you use privacy tools, according to the apparent logic of the National Security Agency, it doesn’t much matter if you’re a foreigner or an American: Your communications are subject to an extra dose of surveillance.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Since 29-year-old systems administrator Edward Snowden began leaking secret documentation of the NSA’s broad surveillance programs, the agency has reassured Americans that it doesn’t indiscriminately collect their data without a warrant, and that what it does collect is deleted after five years. But according to a document signed by U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder and published Thursday by the Guardian, it seems the NSA is allowed to make ambiguous exceptions for a laundry list of data it gathers from Internet and phone companies. One of those exceptions applies specifically to encrypted information, allowing it to gather the data regardless of its U.S. or foreign origin and to hold it for as long as it takes to crack the data’s privacy protections. The agency can collect and indefinitely keep any information gathered for “cryptanalytic, traffic analysis, or signal exploitation purposes,” according to the leaked “minimization procedures” meant to restrict NSA surveillance of Americans. ”Such communications can be retained for a period sufficient to allow thorough exploitation and to permit access to data that are, or are reasonably believed likely to become, relevant to a future foreign intelligence requirement,” the procedures read.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/06/20/leaked-nsa-doc-says-it-can-collect-and-keep-your-encrypted-data-as-long-as-it-takes-to-crack-it/"]Source[/URL] [URL="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130620/15390323549/nsa-has-convinced-fisa-court-that-if-your-data-is-encrypted-you-might-be-terrorist-so-itll-hang-onto-your-data.shtml"]Alternate source[/URL] The irony of this document being leaked is laughable
Imagine all the fucked up porn they must have in there.
Fuck that's just ridiculous, its right up there with saying; "If you have a room in your house with no windows, we are going to have to set up a camera"
We Americans have a moral obligation to force the governments hand on abolishing PRISM and deleting every last shred of data it's collected. Why are we not protesting in every state capital right now? This is a symptom of an authoritarian country for fuck sake.
[QUOTE=MarstunoM;41129356]We Americans have a moral obligation to force the governments hand on abolishing PRISM and deleting every last shred of data it's collected. Why are we not protesting in every state capital right now? This is a symptom of an authoritarian country for fuck sake.[/QUOTE] Let's Organize Facepunch as the Protest's Command Center, Facepunch(Occupy) Mainstreet!
[quote]”Such communications can be retained for a period sufficient to allow thorough exploitation and to permit access to data that are, or are reasonably believed likely to become, relevant to a future foreign intelligence requirement,” the procedures read.[/quote] If they intercept encrypted data that they can justify as being relevant to intelligence-gathering, the clock doesn't start until they actually get access to the data. I don't see what's unreasonable about this beyond the usual sensationalism and hyperbole in the article.
[QUOTE=MarstunoM;41129356]We Americans have a moral obligation to force the governments hand on abolishing PRISM and deleting every last shred of data it's collected. Why are we not protesting in every state capital right now? This is a symptom of an authoritarian country for fuck sake.[/QUOTE] Protest and you'll get shut down quicker then Occupy Wallstreet. If you honestly want to send a message, start using the 2nd Amendment for what it was intended for.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;41129400]Protest and you'll get shut down quicker then Occupy Wallstreet. If you honestly want to send a message, start using the 2nd Amendment for what it was intended for.[/QUOTE] And then get taken down quicker and remembered as a terrorist.
[QUOTE=Tureis;41129456]And then get taken down quicker and remembered as a terrorist.[/QUOTE] Pretty much. It's a lose/lose situation at this point.
I think we need to sit the president down and have a long hard philosophical talk about the values of an American Society based on the constitution. "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots."
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;41129470]Pretty much. It's a lose/lose situation at this point.[/QUOTE] Unless you don't use conventional firearms. Get a crossbow.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;41129400]Protest and you'll get shut down quicker then Occupy Wallstreet. If you honestly want to send a message, start using the 2nd Amendment for what it was intended for.[/QUOTE] fighting off the british?
The Germans are more annoyed about this than you Americans tbh, I haven't really seen much happening in the US about this a part from people online.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;41129400]Protest and you'll get shut down quicker then Occupy Wallstreet. If you honestly want to send a message, start using the 2nd Amendment for what it was intended for.[/QUOTE] That would undermine a legitimate basis for a protest though. Besides, I already do. I shoot cans in my backyard.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;41129400]Protest and you'll get shut down quicker then Occupy Wallstreet. If you honestly want to send a message, start using the 2nd Amendment for what it was intended for.[/QUOTE] Yeah, now we're talking. You make a run for the White House gates, and I'll uh... provide logistical support.
There is no reason there shouldn't be massive protests going on right now all around the country. The mindset that "you'll just get shut down" is bullshit. Even if authorities try to shut you down, that's still more attention being brought to the issue. It's a hell of a lot better than standing by and doing nothing. [editline]21st June 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Thom12255;41129838]The Germans are more annoyed about this than you Americans tbh, I haven't really seen much happening in the US about this a part from people online.[/QUOTE] That's because too many Americans are either too lazy or to absorbed in whatever other media bullshit they're being fed to do something about it.
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