• SW:TOR lead writer talks Shadow of Revan, The Old Republic lore, and Episode VII
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Remember that time we wanted to play as Revan again then bioware thought it was a good idea to allow 4 random no bodies to kill him for his pants but not really.
If there was an option to join Revan and destroy the galaxy i'd play it. Fuck it all. Revan <3
[QUOTE=LordApocca;46647084]If there was an option to join Revan and destroy the galaxy i'd play it. Fuck it all. Revan <3[/QUOTE] Revan doesn't want to destroy the Galaxy he wanted to strengthen the Republic and other things. He was never a bad guy.
So what's the story behind Revan coming back and suddenly everybody in the galaxy and their dogs at war with him?
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;46653132]So what's the story behind Revan coming back and suddenly everybody in the galaxy and their dogs at war with him?[/QUOTE] It's not Revan. ~tada~
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;46653132]So what's the story behind Revan coming back and suddenly everybody in the galaxy and their dogs at war with him?[/QUOTE] Bioware likes to ignore Kotor 2 (or completely rape it in their books) so everyone thinks Revan is evil
[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;46653260]everyone thinks Revan is evil[/QUOTE] Actually I'm playing kotor 2 right now with the restored content mod and early on it's made evident by character interactions that very few people actually knew what revan was up to, the few jedi that could account for him were in hiding, bastila was wondering where he went, carth was being very secretive about the whole thing and Kreia seems to think even if you establish him as a light side character he went about and did the whole thing just to have people back him up for a final showdown with malak. Also the majority opinion of the populace is that the jedi are all rubbish and from what I remember this opinion never gets rectified. 300 years later all the populace would remember is the Jedi Civil War I'd imagine, so whether any consideration was given into the sheer brilliance that is kotor 2 or not, the end result actually makes sense. EDIT: Just wanted to point out I'm not defending the old republic, wouldn't be surprised with the way things are right now that if they ever decided to make kotor 3 they just ignored old republic altogether.
The best thing EA can do right now is hand of KOTOR 3 to Obsidian, retcon The Old Republic and continue the story of Revan.
[QUOTE=Korova;46655612]The best thing EA can do right now is hand of KOTOR 3 to Obsidian, retcon The Old Republic and continue the story of Revan.[/QUOTE] Actually I wouldn't mind playing as your own person in KOTOR 3. A save system that lets you transfer your decisions from the past games and interact with the character you crafted from start to finish.
[QUOTE=Korova;46655612]The best thing EA can do right now is hand of KOTOR 3 to Obsidian, retcon The Old Republic and continue the story of Revan.[/QUOTE] It's already non-canon technically along with the rest of the old EU. KotoR was almost back into canon because Revan was gonna somehow appear in an episode of The Clone Wars but that part was cut. Although there is a leaked pic of the Ep VII antagonist wearing Revans mask so he might still be canon. [sp]Also TOR isn't that bad an MMO, it's just shit in comparison to KotoR 1 and 2 and ruins both of their stories. If you ignore that and play it as its own thing it's alright.[/sp]
Well going by Kotor 2, Kotor 3 was suppose to be this massive amazing battle with the true sith that was going to be amazing but then Bioware and TOR happened.
SWTOR is actually pretty good, and has had allot of effort poured into it
[QUOTE=Cairn Trenor;46662243]SWTOR is actually pretty good, and has had allot of effort poured into it[/QUOTE] Its a good WoW clone, probably my favorite MMO to level in because it isn't so boring. No one really asked for it though and we all would rather have Kotor 3.
[QUOTE=Cairn Trenor;46662243]SWTOR is actually pretty good, and has had allot of effort poured into it[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HeroEngine[/url] Perhaps on voice acting budget, but the rest, no.
[QUOTE=TDocter;46666364][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HeroEngine[/url] Perhaps on voice acting budget, but the rest, no.[/QUOTE] Hell naw. Yeah the engine's shite, but when I first played the game at launch, I thought it sucked. But over the years they stepped the fuck up quite a bit. End-game wise I feel it's the one of the strongest MMOs out there besides Wow. They did a lot to make the game much stronger than it used to be. Besides, how can you just brush aside the effort they put on voice acting and such? Fully voicing the majority of quests with accompanying cinematics is a LOT of effort. And that's not considering that every class has their own storyline from level 1 to 50 as well as having theit own unique casts of supporting characters with their own storylines? Shit man, that sounds like fucking effort to me.
But that still doesn't excuse the shitty engine and sloppy gameplay, something they should work on. That alone would go a long way to making the game better, but they just keep on pouring content into the game without fixing what's sloppy first. And optimization, for the love of god the game doesn't even look that good and it runs like crap at times.
"Sloppy gameplay" isn't really fair. Its not revolutionary and I don't begrudge anyone who doesn't like hotkey MMO combat (it took me a long time to accept it), but in terms of what it is, it's competent. It's hotkey combat but it's perfectly good hotkey combat.
It's not the hotkey stuff I'm talking about, the movement feels sloppy, low quality animations don't help. Along with that the game has the tendency to run very badly while just a few seconds before that it ran just fine. And the graphics don't even look that good to make that slowdown acceptable to me. I don't know how else to describe it. There's a lot of potential here, but it's being wasted due to the engine not being very good, which causes a lot of issues and they also tried to save on animation quality because they spend all their money on voice acting. I'm sorry, but I don't see the need for the dozens of voice actors they hired for all the classes, it's nice, but that money would have been better spend elsewhere.
[QUOTE=TDocter;46666533]It's not the hotkey stuff I'm talking about, the movement feels sloppy, low quality animations don't help. Along with that the game has the tendency to run very badly while just a few seconds before that it ran just fine. And the graphics don't even look that good to make that slowdown acceptable to me. I don't know how else to describe it. There's a lot of potential here, but it's being wasted due to the engine not being very good, which causes a lot of issues and they also tried to save on animation quality because they spend all their money on voice acting. I'm sorry, but I don't see the need for the dozens of voice actors they hired for all the classes, it's nice, but that money would have been better spend elsewhere.[/QUOTE] It's graphics aren't that bad for an MMO, It's better than almost all the other MMOs out there in terms of graphics. Yeah the performance is shit sometimes. The graphics and animations are far better than WoWs yet lots of people still play WoW. I'm not sure where people get the idea that voice acting a large part of SWTOR's budget, because it isn't. They added a bunch of new abilities in SOR with new animations and effects that imo look pretty good. The story for the new expansion is actually good and it's not as simple as "omg Revan is bad gotta kill him".
[QUOTE=Skyward;46666508]"Sloppy gameplay" isn't really fair. Its not revolutionary and I don't begrudge anyone who doesn't like hotkey MMO combat (it took me a long time to accept it), but in terms of what it is, it's competent. It's hotkey combat but it's perfectly good hotkey combat.[/QUOTE] what's it like to be endgame now? I got to like lvl 28 with a sith inquisitor assassin and I didn't get any farther. I really liked the game for what it was in the end; and it felt natural after playing wow. The game has my fav story telling of any MMO so far.
If you think SWTOR looks better than WoW, please just for a second, look at the grass, and enjoy how it adjusts to your view angle, that's cheap, complementaries of the Hero Engine. Just looking at the latest Shadow of Revan trailer, I'm really not sure where you are getting the idea it looks better than WoW, and that's a trailer that's suppose to show the best of what the game has to offer, yet it looks cheap. Haven't seen the latest animations of spells, but you're still using most of the old ones, and the movement animations, which are just plain horrible. They need to work on the older content, make it acceptable.
When you look back it's utterly baffling as to why Bioware chose to kill the franchise with a cartoony mmo. It didn't make them more money. The development was hugely expensive compared to a single player game. It didn't look good. It didn't play well. The stories were all half assed.
The class stories are cool but they are paradoxically a very small part of the experience. The rest of the leveling is 2008 era MMO grinding. Kill 10 Skyracks. Collect 8 space boar livers. Pick up 4 detonators. Not only are they just boring and easy outs for the developer to fluff up a game that is otherwise incredibly short, but they directly hurt the RPG nature of the game. I never played KOTOR but I imagine that game made you feel a lot more heroic than say, playing a Jedi Knight on Tatooine collecting Sand People ears. You aren't given nearly enough choices. This is further reinforced by the alignment system only rewarding you for being a paragon of virtue or a complete asshole. There is no room for nuance or neutrality in The Old Republic. I don't think SWTOR is necessarily bad so much as it's just dated and unambitious. Everything from the leveling to the PVP to the raiding just feels like a rougher version of WoW ca 2008. The one notable aspect of the game, the class stories, comprise a tiny part of the overall experience. I suppose it's fortunate then that these parts are available for free. Supposedly their F2P model is a roaring success both in terms of finances and game population but I see absolutely no reason to subscribe. [QUOTE=Morgen;46667372]The graphics and animations are far better than WoWs[/QUOTE] Nah.
[QUOTE=Thlis;46668696]When you look back it's utterly baffling as to why Bioware chose to kill the franchise with a cartoony mmo. It didn't make them more money. The development was hugely expensive compared to a single player game. It didn't look good. It didn't play well. The stories were all half assed.[/QUOTE] SWTOR makes Bioware a considerable amount of money. $165 million in revenue last year alone. It cost a lot yes but they have made it back. I have played both WoW and SWTOR for a considerable amount of time and if you really think WoW looks better you must be looking at it with beer goggles on or something. Yes SWTOR has issues and could use improvements but so does WoW. Both games are completely different art styles to. Some hate this type of MMO, some love it. I really enjoy raiding with with hotkey combat so it's good for me but I can understand why most players wouldn't enjoy it. Some of the Republic stories are lackluster, but most of the Empire ones I found are quite good, especially the Agents. I didn't really like the Bounty Hunter story though. The alignment system does need an overhaul yeah, it's pretty much irrelevant at this point since nothing worth anything requires it. The story does account for you being neutral though and the Agent story has several possible endings based on your choices. The new raids that came out with SOR are much much better to. This tier and the last tier of raids in SWTOR both considerably stepped up the quality from the previous tiers.
[QUOTE=Morgen;46671808] I have played both WoW and SWTOR for a considerable amount of time[/QUOTE] It's more about [I]when [/I]you played WoW considering the numerous graphical overhauls.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;46671887]It's more about [I]when [/I]you played WoW considering the numerous graphical overhauls.[/QUOTE] I stopped playing during MoP.
Best way to make a game as "solo-friendly as possible" as per "what's really important to our players" is to make the game a solo experience. Bioware, if you're never gonna make more of a good thing, why not do an HD remake of KotOR instead? That's a more idiot-proof way of cashing in on nostalgia.
I dunno, I like both games, but WoW is a much better looking game (in the newer zones and content of course).
[QUOTE=Lucien1337;46653787]Actually I'm playing kotor 2 right now with the restored content mod and early on it's made evident by character interactions that very few people actually knew what revan was up to, the few jedi that could account for him were in hiding, bastila was wondering where he went, carth was being very secretive about the whole thing and Kreia seems to think even if you establish him as a light side character he went about and did the whole thing just to have people back him up for a final showdown with malak. Also the majority opinion of the populace is that the jedi are all rubbish and from what I remember this opinion never gets rectified. 300 years later all the populace would remember is the Jedi Civil War I'd imagine, so whether any consideration was given into the sheer brilliance that is kotor 2 or not, the end result actually makes sense. EDIT: Just wanted to point out I'm not defending the old republic, wouldn't be surprised with the way things are right now that if they ever decided to make kotor 3 they just ignored old republic altogether.[/QUOTE] KOTOR 2 was such a great game. The writing in it blows the first out of the water (though it [I]does[/I] feel extremely incomplete. Even with the restored content mod, the ending is sloppy and sudden). A KOTOR 3 would be the top of my Christmas list, but I've got a pretty strong feeling that it would be [I]Mass Effect[/I] with Star Wars characters instead of a true KOTOR game. Third person duck and cover shooter with cooldown bar abilities. While that would still be pretty cool, it just ain't KOTOR if it isn't a turn-based action queue.
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