• Manning Sentence to Show What Snowden Would Get - Russian official
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[QUOTE]MOSCOW, July 30 (RIA Novosti) - The sentence a US court will pass upon Wikileaks informant Private Bradley Manning will show what fugitive former US intelligence contractor Edward Snowden would get should he return to his country, a senior Russian lawmaker said. US media on Monday cited military officials as saying that the judge who would decide the fate of Manning, accused in a large-scale leak of classified information related to warfare in Afghanistan and Iraq a few years ago, has reached a verdict and it would be announced Tuesday. “When the sentence is passed upon Manning for handing files to the Wikileaks website, it would be clear what would await Snowden if he returned to the United States,” Alexei Pushkov, the head of the Russian lower house’s international committee, said on Twitter on Monday. Snowden, who is wanted by the United States for leaking classified data about the US National Security Agency’s surveillance programs, formally requested temporary asylum in Russia on July 16.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.rian.ru/russia/20130730/182482498/Manning-Sentence-to-Show-what-Snowden-Would-Get---Russian-MP.html[/url]
I'm pretty sure Snowden would get worse to be honest.
If they ever caught snowden, we'd never hear about him again, they don't want a repeat of the bad PR they got from the Manning case
[QUOTE=AugustBurnsRed;41657941]If they ever caught snowden, we'd never hear about him again, they don't want a repeat of the bad PR they got from the Manning case[/QUOTE] Completely ignoring all realities for a moment like the US proscription on assassination, that would be [B]great[/B] for PR. Hey guys, we took Snowden into custody and now we can't produce him dead or alive!
Actually it would also apply to Julian Assange, he would get it 100x worse than Snowden or Manning
Pretty smart move for the Russian dude to announce it now instead of when the case was still being sentenced, this way they can't back out of the verdict and it will show what Snowden would actually get if he got sent back to the USA, if not worse.
[QUOTE=scout1;41658465]Completely ignoring all realities for a moment like the US proscription on assassination, that would be [B]great[/B] for PR. Hey guys, we took Snowden into custody and now we can't produce him dead or alive![/QUOTE] Schroedinger's Snowden
[QUOTE=AugustBurnsRed;41657941]If they ever caught snowden, we'd never hear about him again, they don't want a repeat of the bad PR they got from the Manning case[/QUOTE] Wait, what? Snowden straight up disappearing after being caught would be [I]good[/I] for PR? The rest of the world would be all over it, at least if they give him a trial they have the appearance of being fair, as opposed to him disappearing which would basically be a confirmation of Gestapo tactics. The bad PR from the Manning case wasn't from the trial or the verdict, it was from the awful conditions he was kept in before the trial and how he was systematically mishandled by a military that wanted revenge. [QUOTE=fruxodaily;41658524]Actually it would also apply to Julian Assange, he would get it 100x worse than Snowden or Manning[/QUOTE] Assange shouldn't even be charged with anything in the first place, he's not a US citizen and didn't violate any laws within the country. Unlike Snowden and Manning, he's not a government employee who unlawfully leaked info, he's a foreign citizen who pretty much just made a website out of material that was given to him, and the extent of his 'crime' is that he pissed off some higher-ups who can't deal with not being in control of everyone everywhere. I really don't know what would happen if he was caught by the US but whatever he got charged with I'm sure it would be a very different case. I know I'd support Assange and so would many others, and I think most people can recognize that there's something wrong with persecuting people who have broken no laws and don't even live in the country.
[QUOTE=catbarf;41660046]Wait, what? Snowden straight up disappearing after being caught would be [I]good[/I] for PR? The rest of the world would be all over it, at least if they give him a trial they have the appearance of being fair, as opposed to him disappearing which would basically be a confirmation of Gestapo tactics.[/QUOTE] He doesn't need to disappear. Fatal strokes can happen at any age, dontcha know? :tinfoil: All things said, the last thing you want a rogue spook to do is testify on the stand. [I]Anything[/I] is preferable.
Snowden's plane/car/boat/rocket/camel/whatever the fuck he drives there will crash.
[QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;41659819]Schroedinger's Snowden[/QUOTE] Snowdinger's cat
At this point the US government would be doing everything possible to keep Snowden alive because not only do they need the trial to happen to set a precedence for further large scale confidential leaks, but they realise that if he dies even without any US involvement there will be people blaming the US anyways.
[QUOTE=plunger435;41668358]At this point the US government would be doing everything possible to keep Snowden alive because not only do they need the trial to happen to set a precedence for further large scale confidential leaks, but they realise that if he dies even without any US involvement there will be people blaming the US anyways.[/QUOTE] Watch him singing in the shower doing air guitar or something, and he just slips and bashes his head open.
Obviously they'd just kill him in a blatant and obvious way so that every single person with a brain would know it was them because i have an extremely naive idea of how the government works and all the knowledge I have of government conspiracy comes from the X Files
[QUOTE=Bazsil;41668448]Obviously they'd just kill him in a blatant and obvious way so that every single person with a brain would know it was them because i have an extremely naive idea of how the government works and all the knowledge I have of government conspiracy comes from the X Files[/QUOTE] I like the way you think. Of course they would kill him in an obvious way. So obvious, in fact, that nobody would think the government could possibly be that dumb. Like Obama personally beats him to death with a bald eagle on live TV while screaming, "this is for revealing our secret plan and making us look bad" while the national anthem plays.
Actually, I think if Snowden went to court he would win, very much like Daniel Ellsberg. People are so jaded nowadays.
He'd turn into somewhat of a martyr if something were to happen to him
I imagine he'd be forced to plead guilty, and I hate to cite it, but in 1984. To be very clear: I am not comparing the entire book, warnings against totalitarianism and all, to real life. Just the part where people made false confessions. Hell, it'd happened to 14 year old teenagers in interrogations! I'm sure they'd find a good way, no matter how disturbing.
[QUOTE=AugustBurnsRed;41657941]If they ever caught snowden, we'd never hear about him again, they don't want a repeat of the bad PR they got from the Manning case[/QUOTE] if snowden disappears for any reason then it is going to be horrible pr for the united states, since everyone will immediately suspect an assassination.
although the USA's conduct regarding this shit and pretty much all other whistleblowing is pretty disgusting, i feel like this is real hypocritical of russia to be talking shit when most their whistleblowers end up dead
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;41669829]although the USA's conduct regarding this shit and pretty much all other whistleblowing is pretty disgusting, i feel like this is real hypocritical of russia to be talking shit when most their whistleblowers end up dead[/QUOTE] "What whistleblowers?"
[QUOTE=zombojoe;41670782]"What whistleblowers?"[/QUOTE] whistleblow against the USA, you get life in prison, whistleblow against russia you get stabbed with a thalium tipped umbrella
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;41670956]whistleblow against the USA, you get life in prison, whistleblow against russia you get stabbed with a thalium tipped umbrella[/QUOTE] I wish the latter wasn't real, as cartoon villainish as it sounds
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