• Bill Shorten to introduce same-sex marriage bill to Aus Parliament on Monday
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[QUOTE]Opposition Leader Bill Shorten has confirmed Labor is preparing to introduce a bill to legalise same-sex marriage. In a statement, Mr Shorten said he knew the private members bill would not have the universal support of other MPs and senators. Deputy Labor leader Tanya Plibersek will second the bill. It is expected to come before Parliament on Monday.[/QUOTE] Just got announced so article short - posted it all exciting times ahead! [url]http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-26/bill-shorten-to-move-private-members-bill-to-allow-gay-marriage/6499124[/url]
It seems like for the last few years, gay marriage has been less and less of a controversial issue in most of the world. It's fantastic to see.
I guess Labor is hoping to trump the Greens to get all the street cred on this one. [editline]26th May 2015[/editline] Also, I love how this has gone down on Facepunch.. You posted that Turnbull was [URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1467447"]hoping to introduce it within a year.[/URL] I replied with the Greens suggesting they [URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1467447&p=47804523&viewfull=1#post47804523"]will introduce it over the next few months.[/URL] Then you've posted this new news saying that it will be introduced next week. Shit's off the chain.
[quote]Opposition Leader Bill Shorten[/quote] Perfect name for a politician :v:
It's been proven that around two thirds of Australians support marriage equality a number of times. It's also one of the cheapest, easiest bills to enact, with the least amount of bad side effects. This really, REALLY shouldn't take long, I don't know why the current government is prolonging it so much.
I thought that allowing gay marriage through a government vote was not possible since it involves changing Australia's constitution, which requires a referendum to do so?
[QUOTE=FlandersNed;47806508]I thought that allowing gay marriage through a government vote was not possible since it involves changing Australia's constitution, which requires a referendum to do so?[/QUOTE] The constitution says that the legislation in regard to marriage falls under the power of parliament. [URL="http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/coaca430/s51.html"]See §51[/URL] No problems there, boss.
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;47806450]It seems like for the last few years, gay marriage has been less and less of a controversial issue in most of the world. It's fantastic to see.[/QUOTE] well, those campaigning for it have been doing it hard for decades, those resisting it are slowly dying out, and those who are undecided are slowly creeping towards the pro gay marriage camp after seeing that the countries instituting it haven't had a massive social collapse due to perverted family values
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;47806450]It seems like for the last few years, gay marriage has been less and less of a controversial issue in most of the world. It's fantastic to see.[/QUOTE] It's such a little issue that people are starting to realise how dumb it is to keep prolonging it So much bigger things to concentrate on, get this pushed out, legalised and move on
[QUOTE=IForgotPassword;47806496]It's been proven that around two thirds of Australians support marriage equality a number of times. It's also one of the cheapest, easiest bills to enact, with the least amount of bad side effects. This really, REALLY shouldn't take long, I don't know why the current government is prolonging it so much.[/QUOTE] I'd say it'd face some opposition in the federal parliament, because: 1: Liberal MP's might get asked by Abbott to tow the party line and vote against it, whereas most National MP's will likely vote against it, and 2: I'd say some in the right faction of the Labor party may vote against it as well. Especially when the ACL has been lobbying against it for years. The Greens will definitely vote for it because it's part of their party policies & has been for decades. If it truly is to pass with support at both the HoR (house of representatives) and Senate support, I believe that you're probably going to have many of their local constituents contacting them asking them to support it. Also, some states still have the "gay panic" law (also known as Homosexual Advance Defence) in that a defendant who kills someone who supposedly was portraying "lewd" gestures some how provokes them (cite queensland, which still has cases of it being used as a defence in common law), which if this passes, will obviously will gain momentum for it to be removed because it's just plain stupid & a legal loop hole for far-right conservatives have used & still use when they assault someone supposedly of that composure to basically get away with murder / grievous bodily harm / manslaughter.
[QUOTE=FlandersNed;47806508]I thought that allowing gay marriage through a government vote was not possible since it involves changing Australia's constitution, which requires a referendum to do so?[/QUOTE] That was Ireland, their constitution specifically said marriage is for one man and one woman only so they needed a referendum. Ours just says the government gets to decide what marriage is, a much better option (It's a hell of a lot easier to just make new bills or whatever than to have a referendum each time social standards change).
So not all Labour will support it, but there are Liberals who would support it if they're allowed. So really it comes down to whether Abbot can stop being a wanker for a day?
[QUOTE=Jimesu_Evil;47807003]So not all Labour will support it, but there are Liberals who would support it if they're allowed. So really it comes down to whether Abbot can stop being a wanker for a day?[/QUOTE] I'm thinking (and hoping) Tony agrees to them voting against party guidelines, because it'll level the people against this bill on Labor's side (which isn't a lot but there's still a few oddballs hanging around) However again, if Ireland, a very catholic enriched nation voted for it (through popular vote) it shows Australian MP's that honestly what's the deal
I hope to fucking god they haven't killed its chances by forcing the Liberals hands.
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;47806450]It seems like for the last few years, gay marriage has been less and less of a controversial issue in most of the world. It's fantastic to see.[/QUOTE] Hopefully Trans rights are next
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;47807101]I hope to fucking god they haven't killed its chances by forcing the Liberals hands.[/QUOTE] Would be political suicide on an international level for Abbott if it wasn't passed especially so soon after Ireland had theirs passed. As far as Labor is concerned, it's a win-win whether or not the bill passes.
I hope Abbott shoots it down, his popularity plummets, the Coalition loses the next election and we finally have a government that isn't shit. I'd hate for them to successfully gain support for their horrible governance just by not being total assholes over this.
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[QUOTE=Antdawg;47808257]Would be political suicide on an international level for Abbott if it wasn't passed especially so soon after Ireland had theirs passed. As far as Labor is concerned, it's a win-win whether or not the bill passes.[/QUOTE] The international image of the Abbott government is totally irrelevant. The Liberals haven't even indicated they'd allow a conscience vote and Labor is looking like they won't force their MPs to vote in favor. If it doesn't get through it's going to justify Abbott ignoring the issue more and more. And for what, so Shorten can score some progressive brownie points over the Greens? I'm all for it passing, but christ they could have at least gotten a guarantee the LNP would allow a conscience vote. It's risky otherwise, especially with a social conservative as prime minister.
I think it's okay for bill to not pressure his MPs to vote in favour of the bill as it shows he's allowing for them to have a conscience vote (Abbott would've been like well if I have to why won't you) As I said though if LNP vote consciencely and so does labor it'll even out the playing field thus allowing the bill to pass easily If Abbott shoots it down with having his MPs stick to party guidelines, he's ruined himself in the international spotlight and will be condemned by our closest partners for continuing to not get with with times Labor is playing a good hand right now and the greens are helping them, bill knows he can ruin Abbott with this bill
[QUOTE=Flyingman356;47808636]I hope Abbott shoots it down, his popularity plummets, the Coalition loses the next election and we finally have a government that isn't shit. I'd hate for them to successfully gain support for their horrible governance just by not being total assholes over this.[/QUOTE] Labor aren't that much better than the Liberals, sick of both of them.
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