• Goldsmiths diversity officer Bahar Mustafa arrested for tweeting "kill all white men"
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Just popped up at the change.org petition, and you might remember her from [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1466399]this[/url] thread [IMG]http://s12.postimg.org/5hrr8ki0d/yes.png[/IMG] [B]edit:[/B] [QUOTE]A student diversity officer who was caught up in a racism row after allegedly posting 'kill all white men' on social media has been summonsed to court to face malicious communications charges. Bahar Mustafa, 28, of Edmonton, North London, a welfare and diversity officer at Goldsmiths University, will appear at Bromley Magistrates' Court on 5 November, police said. Ms Mustafa will face two charges, one of sending a threatening message between 10 November 2014 and 31 May this year, and one of sending a menacing or offensive message via a public network, between the same dates. She provoked a backlash after posting a message on Facebook asking white people not to attend an event for black and ethnic minority students in April. An student petition calling for her to be removed from her position garnered only 165 signatures, and she was allowed by the student union to keep her job, because it failed to meet the 3% threshold to trigger a referendum that could have dislodged her.[/QUOTE] [url=http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/bahar-mustafa-charged-with-sending-malicious-message-after-tweeting-kill-all-white-men-a6683241.html](full) Source[/url]
The Independent: [url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/bahar-mustafa-charged-with-sending-malicious-message-after-tweeting-kill-all-white-men-a6683241.html[/url]
I seriously have mixed feelings about this. While she was clearly trying to bully people around (and trying to hide it via the "power + privilege" bollocks her kind loves to preach) I think arresting her is taking things a bit too far. It's still free speech. Having her fired from being a diversity officer would've been enough, IMO.
Good. This kind of shit is just as bad as saying "Kill all -insert minority-" and she needs to be made an example of to prove that.
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;48842793]The Independent: [url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/bahar-mustafa-charged-with-sending-malicious-message-after-tweeting-kill-all-white-men-a6683241.html[/url][/QUOTE] Thank you, added it to the original post.
[QUOTE=Aphtonites;48842805]I seriously have mixed feelings about this. While she was clearly trying to bully people around (and trying to hide it via the "power + privilege" bollocks her kind loves to preach) I think arresting her is taking things a bit too far. It's still free speech. Having her fired from being a diversity officer would've been enough, IMO.[/QUOTE] Seems completely justified. Endorsing genocide should not be a part of free speech if it is.
[QUOTE=Aphtonites;48842805]I seriously have mixed feelings about this. While she was clearly trying to bully people around (and trying to hide it via the "power + privilege" bollocks her kind loves to preach) I think arresting her is taking things a bit too far. It's still free speech. Having her fired from being a diversity officer would've been enough, IMO.[/QUOTE] It may be a knee-jerk reaction following the events of recent university shootings. Of course this is all speculation on my part.
[QUOTE=Aphtonites;48842805]I seriously have mixed feelings about this. While she was clearly trying to bully people around (and trying to hide it via the "power + privilege" bollocks her kind loves to preach) I think arresting her is taking things a bit too far. It's still free speech. Having her fired from being a diversity officer would've been enough, IMO.[/QUOTE] incitement of violence means that you are no longer protected by free speech, both in the UK and the US.
I'm really mixed here because these hashtags are fucking stupid, no matter who they're aimed at but there is so much abuse and awful people saying really bad things, much worse things, that haven't even been remotely punished for it??
It's a death threat alright, but there's so many other much worse things being said every single minute on the internet, it feels wrong to just specifically target one person.
[QUOTE]"because racism and sexism describe structures of privilege based on race and gender and therefore women of colour and minority genders cannot be racist or sexist, since we do not stand to benefit from such a system."[/QUOTE] Lmao. About as stupid as "I'm not a racist, I'm a race realist."
This is bullshit. Removed from office, sure. Actually being arrested for it? Get the fuck out.
How can someone say they're pro-free speech and then celebrate someone getting arrested for giving their (admittedly atrocious) opinion?
[QUOTE=Aphtonites;48842805]I seriously have mixed feelings about this. While she was clearly trying to bully people around (and trying to hide it via the "power + privilege" bollocks her kind loves to preach) I think arresting her is taking things a bit too far. It's still free speech. Having her fired from being a diversity officer would've been enough, IMO.[/QUOTE] There are VERY few things you cannot say with free speech, one of them is telling people to kill people. Advocating genocide, threatening to murder, directly telling people to commit crimes, etc. Free speech has limits. It doesn't mean "You can say whatever you want and get away with it." If something you say directly causes within reasonable limits/advocate a crime publicly, then you can not say that. Just remember that it's intent that matters here.
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;48843266]How can someone say they're pro-free speech and then celebrate someone getting arrested for giving their (admittedly atrocious) opinion?[/QUOTE] Free speech doesn't give you a pass for saying literally anything in most countries it exists, there are still legal repercussions for many things you can say (hate speech being one example, another one that's pretty common is direct threats of violence). Not 100% on Britain's laws of course, don't live there, so it could be different I guess. Personally though I think she should just be fired, I mean she's clearly mentally unfit for what she's been tasked with
Someone like that seems like the last person who should be a "diversity officer", something that shouldn't exist in the first place.
This is the type of response we needed to the kind of people who share the same views as her. It's simply not okay to be a racist, hateful piece of shit no matter what. No matter which race you are hating on, there is no special 'exemption' to what race is okay to be racist to. The sad thing is she is not the first to make public display of this growing trend and she wont be the last. I'm glad though that an example is being made here. I mean "kill all white men"? Are you fucking kidding me? I really don't think a statement like that can be protected by free speech.
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;48843266]How can someone say they're pro-free speech and then celebrate someone getting arrested for giving their (admittedly atrocious) opinion?[/QUOTE] She'd probably get away with it if she was in the US, but she's in the UK, and their freedom of speech laws are stricter than ours. She likely wouldn't get arrested here because she didn't name any specific person or make any threat to peace. [editline]6th October 2015[/editline] It's funny that she's Turkish and advocating genocide though.
[QUOTE=Teddybeer;48843422]And this is why hate speech exists.[/QUOTE] This has nothing to do with hate speech. This is just outright asking for direct violence against people. It was illegal far before any idea of hate speech came about. With that said, what was the context of the actual tweet? If it was just a hashtag, then I definitely don't think she should be arrested. If it was a hashtag added onto an actual tweet that insinuated real violence, then that's another story.
I'm of mixed feelings on this, but if what she said comes under jurisdictions of laws I don't know (UK), I can't make a legal judgement. I'd hate for her to become a mini-martyr for the inconvenience, but who knows. Someone in the position of 'diversity officer' should hardly be allowed to be so hypocritical and spiteful, so I'm glad she's at least temporarily upset from her position if not fully removed.
The reason why i think this is right is because she has the position of a diversity officer at Goldsmiths... In her positions you really should not post shit like that. However if she was just stripped of her position and kicked from school then that would be nice too, if this were to happen in America that would have already been done.
[QUOTE=Aphtonites;48842805]I seriously have mixed feelings about this. While she was clearly trying to bully people around (and trying to hide it via the "power + privilege" bollocks her kind loves to preach) I think arresting her is taking things a bit too far. It's still free speech. Having her fired from being a diversity officer would've been enough, IMO.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure it's because she was harassing people that she got arrested
What she said warranted her being removed from her position, but I'm not sure about arrest. Everyone makes stupid tweets. On one side though, I am glad she is being punished.
Absolutely shouldnt be in trouble from the law. Should be fired 100%.
I don't think it's a big deal when some random nobody on the internet says something like this, because you'll just be laughed at and then ignored. But when you hold the position of "diversity officer", something like '[i]Kill All [X][/i]' should be something you'd never say. How do people like this get a position like that anyway. You might as well just give it to Adolf Hitler.
I don't think anyone should be arrested for stupid and inflammatory remarks.
It's bullshit that she could face up to 6 months in jail for this.
[QUOTE=NiandraLades;48843126]I'm really mixed here because these hashtags are fucking stupid, no matter who they're aimed at but there is so much abuse and awful people saying really bad things, much worse things, that haven't even been remotely punished for it??[/QUOTE] I am pretty sure she is going to be made into a textbook case to be made an example of. I am almost certain if she didn't make the news earlier this year she wouldn't have been arrested at all for her tweets.
[QUOTE=NiandraLades;48843126]I'm really mixed here because these hashtags are fucking stupid, no matter who they're aimed at but there is so much abuse and awful people saying really bad things, much worse things, that haven't even been remotely punished for it??[/QUOTE] It is kind of mixed and I understand where you and other people are coming from, but I endorse her being arrested, perhaps fined, but not necessarily jailed for an amount of time. What would've likely happened, as with every single case, is that they looked at her past and after behaviour. Not only was she in a position of power and authority when advocating genocide it was only given more ground to how she acted in defense of her tweet instead of deciding to just take it down after the outrage. Free speech does have it's laws, however when such a thing happens like this then it isn't free speech but hate speech.
This is really stupid. She should definitely be removed from her position, but arrested? I thought this was 2015, why are people being arrested for speech in a first world country?
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