Fuck you AT&T. How monopolistic is this, I hope the people there won't take it laying down.
imagine trying to kill progress
Disgrace to society
[quote]AT&T sees things differently. The company is concerned that if Google's contractors mess something up, such as damaging a copper feeder, then "1,000 or more residential customers could lose service, and business customers without redundant service would also lose service."[/quote]
I wonder how people find it so easy to be a bunch of barefaced liars
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;51094854]I wonder how people find it so easy to be a bunch of barefaced liars[/QUOTE]
I remember reading people in power tend to be sociopaths.
They're in every right to defend their monopoly. People just don't realize that Google isn't doing this for progress, they're doing it to monopolize themselves as well.
[QUOTE]if Google's contractors mess something up, such as damaging a copper feeder, then "1,000 or more residential customers could lose service, and business customers without redundant service would also lose service."[/QUOTE]
How many of those residents would even notice? 256kbps turns into 0kbps turns into 1Gbs, what's the big deal? A little pain for fiber is something I'm sure your customers would be glad to take, especially if you dared ask them instead of trying to sue competition away from your monopoly.
I want Google to start making moves up here in Canada. The duopoly here is way too comfortable and keeps trying to borrow new ideas for fucking customers over from the US cartel. They need to be scared shitless a bit.
[QUOTE=FezianEmperor;51094885]They're in every right to defend their monopoly. People just don't realize that Google isn't doing this for progress, they're doing it to monopolize themselves as well.[/QUOTE]
How are Google trying to monopolize themselves? Especially when AT&T says they're also planning on adding fiber lines?
[editline]23rd September 2016[/editline]
ok nvm I might be missing a joke, I can get kinda mad over companies pulling moves like tis
It's because then AT&T would need to make their fiber cheaper since there's actually going to be competition.
I, the people there protest AT&T and make thek rethink what there doing,.
[QUOTE=Darkwater124;51094916]How are Google trying to monopolize themselves? Especially when AT&T says they're also planning on adding fiber lines?
[editline]23rd September 2016[/editline]
ok nvm I might be missing a joke, I can get kinda mad over companies pulling moves like tis[/QUOTE]
I'm just saying that looking at Google as some savior of the internet is sheepish and childish, they're there to contest the monopoly that has been engraved in the United States. By contesting the monopoly they believe if they offer a better service. They can get a bigger share of the pie over time.
[QUOTE=FezianEmperor;51095193]I'm just saying that looking at Google as some savior of the internet is sheepish and childish, they're there to contest the monopoly that has been engraved in the United States. By contesting the monopoly they believe if they offer a better service. They can get a bigger share of the pie over time.[/QUOTE]
And honestly, with as shitty shitty shitty as the current American ISPs are, I will gladly accept with open hands a new one that at least pretends to be better. I'll hate them when/if they do something to deserve it. But at this point, I'm desperate, and they're filling a market that Comcast and att are refusing to even acknowledge.
[QUOTE=FezianEmperor;51094885]They're in every right to defend their monopoly. People just don't realize that Google isn't doing this for progress, they're doing it to monopolize themselves as well.[/QUOTE]
I mean technically you're right but AT&T is kinda known to monopolize and then offer either shit or expensive service (or both). Google on the other hand has a good track record.
Yeah, I think the situation in America is absolutely ridiculous. I don't think I could deal with the capped internet monstrosity and scamming their customers the ISPs in the United States do.
Especially with how little care and finesse are in these monopolies, where even their customer service branch only reason to exist is to scam and make sure you pay more, instead of solving your issues in a professional manner or in some cases you only get beep boop responses.
I mean, you could say that's every business customer branch. But, honestly what Google is doing is a good thing. Even if they can just join the club in the end. Let's hope not and they end up being a major factor in fixing the ISP situation and bettering the internet services in the United States.
[QUOTE=FezianEmperor;51095193]I'm just saying that looking at Google as some savior of the internet is sheepish and childish, they're there to contest the monopoly that has been engraved in the United States. By contesting the monopoly they believe if they offer a better service. They can get a bigger share of the pie over time.[/QUOTE]
They literally are progressing things though. AT&T generally only cranks up their shit when a competitor like google fiber or a munifiber company pops up. Progress is happening by competition coming in.
[QUOTE=FezianEmperor;51095193]I'm just saying that looking at Google as some savior of the internet is sheepish and childish, they're there to contest the monopoly that has been engraved in the United States. By contesting the monopoly they believe if they offer a better service. They can get a bigger share of the pie over time.[/QUOTE]
They aren't the savior of the internet, but neither is ANY ISP in this country, but by bringing in another choice for consumers, they kind of are. South Korea you have your pick of a few ISP's that are competing for your business. They have competitive speeds with competitive prices because they HAVE to or you'll jump ship. But in the states, that ain't a thing. You take what the one ISP in your area gives you, and pay what they tell you, or you don't get internet, it's that simple. The ISPs have all signed non compete agreements with each other so as to maintain it this way. The entire reason AT&T is suing over it is because it's in THEIR greedy interest, not ours, that Google gets stalled/stopped
So fuck AT&T. They are actively trying to stop progress because of greed
[QUOTE=FezianEmperor;51095193]I'm just saying that looking at Google as some savior of the internet is sheepish and childish, they're there to contest the monopoly that has been engraved in the United States. By contesting the monopoly they believe if they offer a better service. They can get a bigger share of the pie over time.[/QUOTE]
Im glad you found a nice place under that rock to live.
The thing Gfiber does to the local market is shakes them the fuck up. Ever see AT&T, Comcast, Time Warner and other big names go from offering 25Mbit packages and then shit out gigabit plans so fast they prolapse? Google fiber did exactly that, because the big guys lost A LOT of business.
$75 for 1gbe is a great price and it really chokes the crap out of companies that have been previously gouging the shit out of its poor customers that are forced into their service.
What AT&T is crying and bitching about is that they really need to beef up residential networks and they don't want too. Remember AT&T is the same bunch of babies that refused to start their mandated free internet because "its not broadband cuz FCC said so!"
You're blindly defending a company that acts like a bunch of edgy 13 year olds. Refusing to do their choires because of X reason.
And what you just explained is called capitalism. Not sure what you guys practice on that other side of the pond, but this is exactly what starting a business is. You're getting your hand into the pie, and you want money. You think google is doing this out of kindness of their soul? Hell no, we're ALL into this to make money. So do you live in North Korea or something?
In the end, do you want to take AT&T into your market? Clearly you're pretty content with their business methods of being a bunch of dissident arseholes.
[QUOTE=FezianEmperor;51095193]I'm just saying that looking at Google as some savior of the internet is sheepish and childish, they're there to contest the monopoly that has been engraved in the United States. By contesting the monopoly they believe if they offer a better service. They can get a bigger share of the pie over time.[/QUOTE]
Google is the most useful company i know of.
Well, when you earn more money by giving a terrible service and reducing manpower and still being able to have the internet stability to at least keep your customers happy. Though, of course sometimes that ends up also not being part of the package in these ISPs.
Though, I must say I'm content with their approach. Because, it's an excellent way to pry on the country that loves its' wild west business style over anything else. Where every problem can be brought up in a court session over the loweliest reasons. Making sure that any competition gets destroyed before they even get to compete in the foodchain. Where regulations don't exist and the people who are supposed to keep some kind of level of decency is all but twindling thumbs wondering about net neutrality, instead of the bigger picture of how americans live in insufferable situations paying multitudes of dollars for a garbage service.
The only reason Google is able to compete is because it's freaking Google and even they are a terrifying company that lives and prys on customer information and only sees this as a great opportunity to laugh at the imbeciles that are those who've uilized the best way to earn more money while keeping the costs low.
[QUOTE=FezianEmperor;51098642]
The only reason Google is able to compete is because it's freaking Google and even they are a terrifying company that lives and prys on customer information and only sees this as a great opportunity to laugh at the imbeciles that are those who've uilized the best way to earn more money while keeping the costs low.[/QUOTE]
Google isn't even the worse at this. I think you're blowing this a bit out of proportion.
[QUOTE=FlakTheMighty;51094861]I remember reading people in power tend to be sociopaths.[/QUOTE]
Sociopaths tend to get much higher in power compared to others because they don't feel to shove others down that are willing to help others. AT&T is an example of a sociopath.
[editline]24th September 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=FezianEmperor;51098642]The only reason Google is able to compete is because it's freaking Google and even they are a terrifying company that lives and prys on customer information and only sees this as a great opportunity to laugh at the imbeciles that are those who've uilized the best way to earn more money while keeping the costs low.[/QUOTE]
AAAND why do you think this is? HMMM, I WONDER... Perhaps what this article is about proves that they have power to stop other ISPs? Its almost as if...
[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;51098783]Google isn't even the worse at this. I think you're blowing this a bit out of proportion.[/QUOTE]
Googles' main revenue stream is your information. Soo, yeah. How do you think AdSense gets powered by?
[editline]24th September 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Map in a box;51099238]
AAAND why do you think this is? HMMM, I WONDER... Perhaps what this article is about proves that they have power to stop other ISPs? Its almost as if...[/QUOTE]
I'm actually surprised that Google has been able to get as far along as they've gotten. It just goes to show that you don't mess with them when it comes to getting things done in states they've started building out in.
[QUOTE=FezianEmperor;51099461]Googles' main revenue stream is your information. Soo, yeah. How do you think AdSense gets powered by?
[editline]24th September 2016[/editline]
I'm actually surprised that Google has been able to get as far along as they've gotten. It just goes to show that you don't mess with them when it comes to getting things done in states they've started building out in.[/QUOTE]
Whoa, AdSense is collecting my information you say? I have uBlock running, so I never noticed. Thanks for the heads up on how the personalized ads system works.
What do you think twitter,facebook, and any other online service does? How do you think they generate money to operate?
[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;51099606]Whoa, AdSense is collecting my information you say? I have uBlock running, so I never noticed. Thanks for the heads up on how the personalized ads system works.
What do you think twitter,facebook, and any other online service does? How do you think they generate money to operate?[/QUOTE]
Personalized advertisement was what Google hit it off and made it into the behemoth it is today. Yes, I get it. We live in the post information age, so its' to be expected that every corporations has information about you, what you like and etc. I am not that silly.
What I'm trying to say is that none of those other very famous advertisement services are turning into an ISP as of late. Except one, that's name is Google.
[QUOTE=FezianEmperor;51099639]Personalized advertisement was what Google hit it off and made it into the behemoth it is today. Yes, I get it. We live in the post information age, so its' to be expected that every corporations has information about you, what you like and etc. I am not that silly.
What I'm trying to say is that none of those other very famous advertisement services are turning into an ISP as of late. Except one, that's name is Google.[/QUOTE]
So you think they're going to start selling you based off what you do on the internet? Isn't that what you're saying they're already doing?
[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;51099657]So you think they're going to start selling you based off what you do on the internet? Isn't that what you're saying they're already doing?[/QUOTE]
Correct.
[QUOTE=FezianEmperor;51098642]Well, when you earn more money by giving a terrible service and reducing manpower and still being able to have the internet stability to at least keep your customers happy. Though, of course sometimes that ends up also not being part of the package in these ISPs.
Though, I must say I'm content with their approach. Because, it's an excellent way to pry on the country that loves its' wild west business style over anything else. Where every problem can be brought up in a court session over the loweliest reasons. Making sure that any competition gets destroyed before they even get to compete in the foodchain. Where regulations don't exist and the people who are supposed to keep some kind of level of decency is all but twindling thumbs wondering about net neutrality, instead of the bigger picture of how americans live in insufferable situations paying multitudes of dollars for a garbage service.
The only reason Google is able to compete is because it's freaking Google and even they are a terrifying company that lives and prys on customer information and only sees this as a great opportunity to laugh at the imbeciles that are those who've uilized the best way to earn more money while keeping the costs low.[/QUOTE]
While I don't disagree with you on Google being kinda terrifying with their access to personal information and lack of respect for one's privacy that's kinda a completely moot point in this situation. US ISPs are trash. Google forcing their way into the ISP market, even if they turn out to have zero respect for their customers' privacy, is going to encourage more competition in the market meaning better prices and service for the customers. AT&T suing is literally just them trying to hold on to their monopoly in the area so they can squeeze every last dime they can out of their customers. I don't trust Google as far as I can throw them and I don't think I'd ever trust them enough to use them as an ISP but the ones in the wrong here are very clearly AT&T and you'd have to be exceptionally dumb or short-sighted to think otherwise.
[QUOTE=FezianEmperor;51099731]Correct.[/QUOTE]
so why would they be doing it from both sides? Also I wouldn't be surprised if the large ISPs didn't already do some sort of datamining. A lot of them own large networks involved in either marketing (AT&T/YP), News networks (Comcast/NBC) and commonly employ cable services as well.
They all have their hands in the pot. Your data is not secure, and everyone wants to sell you their shit. Everything has a price, including your metadata and search history. Welcome to capitalism.
[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;51099761]so why would they be doing it from both sides? Also I wouldn't be surprised if the large ISPs didn't already do some sort of datamining. A lot of them own large networks involved in either marketing (AT&T/YP), News networks (Comcast/NBC) and commonly employ cable services as well.
They all have their hands in the pot. Your data is not secure, and everyone wants to sell you their shit. Everything has a price, including your metadata and search history. Welcome to capitalism.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, so Google is just another one in the mass except they've got the power to change even if they might have the same purpose as any other ISP in the USA.
Which might I add I think is good, it certainly is better to see a proper use of capitalism and forcing your way through to make the competition start to realize they need to step up. It's one aspect of capitalism I actually like which is the idea that new competitors can get advantages by providing a better service for cheaper via just being a bigger entity.
This in turn makes it so everyone else has to step it up or lose heavily towards the new competitors. A reason this failed for many newcomers who thought they could change the landscape was because the other ISPs would make sure to destroy them by skewering prices in the area or by making sure that they had to do everything themselves, making most of them crash and burn.
But, when Google who's a multi billion enterprise who has all the tools in the world to do whatever they want. Yeah, they are stuck in a ditch with that one.
I think Google is good for the market of ISPs. I hope they expand further and make sure that americans get to have proper internet services for a price that is tolerable and not absolutely disgusting overpriced garbage for only 5/5 internet with 500 mb cap.
Could this lead to consequences down the line that the good of Google might lead to them just become another part of the problem later down the line? Who knows, in the end. The fact that Google is in the market means that things will change, just because the other ISPs will be afraid of losing the market share. Surprisingly, something that hasn't happened due to a ton of specialized reasons for a long, long time.
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