• South Korea enacts chemical castration law against child sexual abuse
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[quote]SEOUL — South Korea has enacted a law allowing the use of 'chemical castration' on convicted pedophiles, the Justice Ministry said on Sunday, becoming the first Asian country to permit the punishment. The law gives judges the power to order sex offenders who have attacked children under the age of 16 to undergo a medical procedure, widely known as chemical castration, which can last for up to 15 years. "The law takes effect as of today," a ministry official said on condition of anonymity, adding that dozens of criminals be sentenced to the punishment this year. The legislation has generated strong protests from human rights bodies.[/quote] [url=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43870883/]Source[/url] Gotta love that even news sites like these have fuck all idea what the difference between a paedophile and a sexual child abuser. Some info on chemical castration for those that don't have it clear, from Wikipedia: [quote]Chemical castration is the administration of medication designed to reduce libido and sexual activity, usually in the hope of preventing rapists, child molesters and other sex offenders from repeating their crimes. Unlike surgical castration, where the testicles or ovaries are removed through an incision in the body, chemical castration does not actually castrate the person, nor is it a form of sterilization. For this reason the term "chemical castration" has been called a misnomer. Chemical castration is generally considered reversible when treatment is discontinued, although permanent effects in body chemistry can sometimes be seen, as in the case of bone density loss increasing with length of use of Depo Provera. Castration has, from time to time, been used as an instrument of public and/or judicial policy despite concerns over human rights and possible side effects[/quote]
Good on you, South orea.
Doesn't chemical castration have a shit load of pretty nasty side effects? I understand that you get punished if you break the law but intentionally giving felons diseases is pretty fucked up.
South Oreos [QUOTE=Nerts;31324228]Doesn't chemical castration have a shit load of pretty nasty side effects?[/QUOTE] Who gives a shit? They deserve it.
[QUOTE=Nerts;31324228]Doesn't chemical castration have a shit load of pretty nasty side effects? I understand that you get punished if you break the law but intentionally giving felons diseases is pretty fucked up.[/QUOTE] South Korea is not a third world country, I don't think they'll get diseases from a surgical procedure. I'm just going to watch for people saying this is wrong despite the fact they made the choice to rape kids in the first place and they can still piss.
[QUOTE=Ringo_Satu;31324243]Who gives a shit? They deserve it.[/QUOTE] Not really.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;31324278]South Korea is not a third world country, I don't think they'll get diseases from a surgical procedure. I'm just going to watch for people saying this is wrong despite the fact they made the choice to rape kids in the first place and they can still piss.[/QUOTE]It's not a surgical procedure, It's an injection, and the chemicals they use for it cause loss of bone mass, depression and erectile dysfunction.
[QUOTE=Ringo_Satu;31324243]South Oreos Who gives a shit? They deserve it.[/QUOTE] You don't really deserve to lose a primal function because of something you can't help, not to mention paedophilia is usually caused by society and the influence it has on children at an early stage.
At no point should a nation be permitted to control it's people with medication. It doesn't matter what a person does, a non-medical prescription designed to change someone's emotions/thoughts is as fucking dystopian as it gets.
[QUOTE=DanRatherman;31324436]At no point should a nation be permitted to control it's people with medication. It doesn't matter what a person does, a non-medical prescription designed to change someone's emotions/thoughts is as fucking dystopian as it gets.[/QUOTE] No, murdering it's own people legally and calling it 'Capital Punishment' is as fucking dystopian as it gets. We're making sure pedophiles can be released into the society without raping other kids while not spending so much money spent on making sure they get stuck inside a cell reserved for murderers. Here's a wonderful logical idea that can you definitely not get you castrated, it's completely 100 percent avoidable unless you're forced to do it. Don't rape people!
A. They don't actually lose any part of their body or undergo surgery, its just a sensationalist name. Its generally an injection into the blood stream every few months. B. If they rape a child, or anyone for that matter they DO deserve it, as long as it isn't something stupid like a statutory rape charge where both parties were willing and one was simply a year or two under-age or something. Now, I don't say they deserve it simply because of vengeance or an eye for an eye, I say it because it can reduce repeat offenses. Statistics show that a large precentage of sexual offenders are repeat sexual offenders (depending on the type, for example 53% same-sex child molesters) and we're just talking about if they do get caught, and we're not including if there are multiple new offenses... And criminal recidivism is a sign of psychopathy. Thats why I support this. C. Uh, of course they can help it? Its called not raping someone? And if they can't stop themselves from raping people, isn't that even more of a reason why they should be KEPT from doing so through chemical castration or other means?
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;31324481]No, murdering it's own people legally and calling it 'Capital Punishment' is as fucking dystopian as it gets. We're making sure pedophiles can be released into the society without raping other kids while not spending so much money spent on making sure they get stuck inside a cell reserved for murderers. Here's a wonderful logical idea that can you definitely not get you castrated, it's completely 100 percent avoidable unless you're forced to do it. Don't rape people![/QUOTE] Or like, instead of chemically altering people like they shouldn't be altered, you could spend the time and money forcing the monopolistic media and clothing companies to stop oversexualising children and children clothing, which causes children to be, even subconsciously, think more sexually. The moment you start thinking sexually of the other gender, at that (from then on minimum) age will you find the other gender sexually attractive for the rest of your life. It's why most of us don't find prepubescent children attractive, but do find 13-15 year old girls sort of attractive, because that's when we start noticing the other gender in a sexual manner. If the clothing companies, the media, clothing magazines, etc., are getting away with clothing 6 year olds with miniskirts and having them watch the dumbest shit like Hannah Montana and iCarly and whatever which is all about being popular and good looking, etc., children are going to be affected by that at a much earlier age. That's about most of the origin of paedophilia in people, the other coming from very early sexual abuse. However, since the media is bringing you (the goverment) money, it's much more sensible to bring in fascistic means like chemical castration and what have you.
[QUOTE=DanRatherman;31324436]At no point should a nation be permitted to control it's people with medication.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lethal_injection[/url]
[QUOTE=Kendra;31324554]Or like, instead of chemically altering people like they shouldn't be altered, you could spend the time and money forcing the monopolistic media and clothing companies to stop oversexualising children and children clothing, which causes children to be, even subconsciously, think more sexually. The moment you start thinking sexually of the other gender, at that (from then on minimum) age will you find the other gender sexually attractive for the rest of your life. It's why most of us don't find prepubescent children attractive, but do find 13-15 year old girls sort of attractive, because that's when we start noticing the other gender in a sexual manner. If the clothing companies, the media, clothing magazines, etc., are getting away with clothing 6 year olds with miniskirts and having them watch the dumbest shit like Hannah Montana and iCarly and whatever which is all about being popular and good looking, etc., children are going to be affected by that at a much earlier age. That's about most of the origin of paedophilia in people, the other coming from very early sexual abuse. However, since the media is bringing you (the goverment) money, it's much more sensible to bring in fascistic means like chemical castration and what have you.[/QUOTE] holy fuck, are you justifying child rape
[QUOTE=RichyZ;31324531]I'm okay with this as long as the side effects don't completely fuck them over in the long run[/QUOTE]It does, [url=http://www.tga.gov.au/pdf/aadrb-0402.pdf]one of the chemicals most commonly used for it[/url] (Cyproterone) causes life threatening liver damage in some people. [editline]25th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=lolwutdude;31324631]holy fuck, are you justifying child rape[/QUOTE]He's saying it's better to try to prevent it in the first place than have people's lives get fucked up.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;31324631]holy fuck, are you justifying child rape[/QUOTE] No you fuckwit, (she?) is just saying that the media and fashion industries are not helping by oversexualising the youth of today.
[QUOTE=Kendra;31324554]Or like, instead of chemically altering people like they shouldn't be altered[/QUOTE] Alright guys, no more multi-vitamins, prescription medicine, or any other substance that chemically alters the body (including most modern consumer items, i.e. caffeine, alcohol, nicotine, and so on). [QUOTE=Kendra;31324554]It's why most of us don't find prepubescent children attractive, but do find 13-15 year old girls sort of attractive, because that's when we start noticing the other gender in a sexual manner.[/QUOTE] Or, you know, its because prepubescent children are... prepubsecent, they don't have breasts, their body-fat percentage is lower, their hip width is relatively smaller, and we SHOULD know that we aren't supposed to be attracted to prepubescent children. And even if that were true, you realize we start looking at them in a sexual manner because... we're going through puberty, which increases our hormone levels and causes us to be more... sexual? [QUOTE=Kendra;31324554]That's about most of the origin of paedophilia in people, the other coming from very early sexual abuse.[/QUOTE] Yes, like in ancient Greece when all those kids were watching iCarly and Hannah Montana then they would grow up to molest other young boys. Sure, the over sexualized nature of today's youth is probably part of it, but it is definitely not the sole reason, nor the sole thing we can change. [url]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/Kiss_Briseis_Painter_Louvre_G278_full.jpg[/url] [QUOTE=Kendra;31324554]However, since the media is bringing you (the goverment) money, it's much more sensible to bring in fascistic means like chemical castration and what have you.[/QUOTE] Yes, I support this because I am fascist, I live in South Korea, and am part of the government so I am gaining money.
[QUOTE=Collin665;31324679]Alright guys, no more multi-vitamins, prescription medicine, or any other substance that chemically alters the body (including most modern consumer items, i.e. caffeine, alcohol, cigarettes, and so on). [/QUOTE] Except this is actually forced upon people whereas with normal medicine and other substances they have a choice in the matter.
[QUOTE=Azur;31324676]No you fuckwit, (she?) is just saying that the media and fashion industries are not helping by oversexualising the youth of today.[/QUOTE] It doesn't matter they're not 'helping' or 'over-sexualizing children with fashion that's been already there for decades', saying the solution to censor something is wrong when everything is dictated by free will and choice. To say this is the fault of the media is a cop-out since it's all the fault of a pedophile who can't control himself and rape a kid, cause in the end, [b]they're the ones making the choice of raping kids[/b], and we shouldn't stop considering a punishment because it might be a fault for companies that makes clothes. Hey, videogames includes murdering people, should we say they're at fault here?
[QUOTE=Collin665;31324679]Alright guys, no more multi-vitamins, prescription medicine, or any other substance that chemically alters the body (including most modern consumer items, i.e. caffeine, alcohol, cigarettes, and so on).[/QUOTE]You choose to take those, the same way you choose to accept medical treatment, you can't force medical treatment on someone and you shouldn't be able to force dangerous mind altering drugs on someone.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;31324278]South Korea is not a third world country, I don't think they'll get diseases from a surgical procedure. I'm just going to watch for people saying this is wrong despite the fact they made the choice to rape kids in the first place and they can still piss.[/QUOTE] Except for the fact that it isn't a surgical procedure. Its a drug that is routinely administered, which has side effects.
[QUOTE=Collin665;31324679]Alright guys, no more multi-vitamins, prescription medicine, or any other substance that chemically alters the body (including most modern consumer items, i.e. caffeine, alcohol, cigarettes, and so on). Or, you know, its because prepubescent children are... prepubsecent, they don't have tits, their body-fat percentage is lower, their hip width is relatively smaller, and we SHOULD know that we aren't supposed to be attracted to prepubescent children. And even if that were true, you realize we start looking at them in a sexual manner because... we're going through puberty, which increases our hormone levels and causes us to be more... sexual? Yes, like in ancient Greece when all those kids were watching iCarly and Hannah Montana then they would grow up to molest other young boys. Sure, the over sexualized nature of today's youth is probably part of it, but it is definitely not the sole reason, nor the sole thing we can change. [url]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/Kiss_Briseis_Painter_Louvre_G278_full.jpg[/url] Yes, I support this because I am fascist, I live in South Korea, and am part of the government so I am gaining money.[/QUOTE] You're an idiot. At no point are you forced to take vitamins, prescription medicine, and you're a dumbass in the first place if you take tobacco or alcohol and what have you. Assuming you don't get a pathogenic infection or a genetic mutation and have a balanced diet, you can do without any of these. Also, if you as a 6 year old kid start getting sexually attracted to other 6 year old girls or boys, 98% of sexologists will tell you in 20 years that 26 year old man will very likely still be attracted to 6 year old girls. Also, the Greek thing was a sociocultural thing which probably started as a very uncommon practice and eventually became mainstream because there was no such thing as a "social taboo" back then. And to your last argument, are you actually this dense? I said that a goverment would rather spend [I'm just making up numbers here] 1 billion won on chemical castration than 50 billion won on making it so that media can't take advantage of ignorant children, and that is fascistic, because [B]under no circumstances[/B] should the goverment be allowed to chemically alter your body without your full and informed consent.
[QUOTE=Kendra;31324554]Or like, instead of chemically altering people like they shouldn't be altered, you could spend the time and money forcing the monopolistic media and clothing companies to stop oversexualising children and children clothing, which causes children to be, even subconsciously, think more sexually. The moment you start thinking sexually of the other gender, at that (from then on minimum) age will you find the other gender sexually attractive for the rest of your life. It's why most of us don't find prepubescent children attractive, but do find 13-15 year old girls sort of attractive, because that's when we start noticing the other gender in a sexual manner. If the clothing companies, the media, clothing magazines, etc., are getting away with clothing 6 year olds with miniskirts and having them watch the dumbest shit like Hannah Montana and iCarly and whatever which is all about being popular and good looking, etc., children are going to be affected by that at a much earlier age. That's about most of the origin of paedophilia in people, the other coming from very early sexual abuse. However, since the media is bringing you (the goverment) money, it's much more sensible to bring in fascistic means like chemical castration and what have you.[/QUOTE] So what? It's their own decision to watch and wear whatever they want. Just because they have clothes that reveals a little bit more skin doesn't make it right to rape/abuse them. When you get into the tracks of "altering media" and altering the way people think into a way that more suits your mind, that's where I think you're going too far. It's quite ironic that you're calling chemical castration fascist, while you doesn't seem to notice that your ideas are rather radical themselves. Edit: I don't support chemical castration in any way, but censoring things is just wrong.
Well she didn't say,"chemically altering people without their consent" she said, "chemically altering people like they shouldn't be altered" But either way, the rest of my points still stand. I'd much prefer a sexual offender not be a repeat offender than have multiple innocent children raped, molested, or worse. Actually, the average recidivism rate in sexual offenders is 75% I just found, and in countries that have schemical castration the rate was reduced to 2%. [QUOTE=Kendra;31324756]You're an idiot.[/QUOTE] Major boon to your argument there, I really see what you're trying to get across. [QUOTE=Kendra;31324756]At no point are you forced to take vitamins, prescription medicine, and you're a dumbass in the first place if you take tobacco or alcohol and what have you. Assuming you don't get a pathogenic infection or a genetic mutation and have a balanced diet, you can do without any of these..[/QUOTE] See the top of this post. [QUOTE=Kendra;31324756]Also, if you as a 6 year old kid start getting sexually attracted to other 6 year old girls or boys, 98% of sexologists will tell you in 20 years that 26 year old man will very likely still be attracted to 6 year old girls.[/QUOTE] If you're going through puberty at six you probably have a hormone disorder, and you should still be able to control yourself as you grow older. I am attracted to regularly aged people, does that mean I go and rape them? No. If I was attracted to 6 year olds, I wouldn't rape them either, especially because of society's view on the matter. And don't say its because regularly aged people are available to me, because thats not the case either. I don't actively seek out sex in the first place. [QUOTE=Kendra;31324756]Also, the Greek thing was a sociocultural thing which probably started as a very uncommon practice and eventually became mainstream because there was no such thing as a "social taboo" back then.[/QUOTE] I realize. Hence my point was valid that modern media and consumerism isn't the sole matter affecting pedophilia. [QUOTE=Kendra;31324756]And to your last argument, are you actually this dense? I said that a goverment would rather spend [I'm just making up numbers here] 1 billion won on chemical castration than 50 billion won on making it so that media can't take advantage of ignorant children, and that is fascistic, because under no circumstances should the goverment be allowed to chemically alter your body without your full and informed consent.[/QUOTE] Again with the insults. I don't tend to find insults are very persuasive, but if you insist you can use that tactic. I was saying that I support this even though I'm none of the things you listed above, so the things you listed above aren't exactly the sole reason a government would put these things in place. Either way I don't think consent is the issue here. Criminals don't consent to being sent to prison, criminals don't consent to many things we do to them. Why? Because they give up that right when they are found guilty of the crime.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;31324725]It doesn't matter they're not 'helping' or 'over-sexualizing children with fashion that's been already there for decades', saying the solution to censor something is wrong when everything is dictated by free will and choice. To say this is the fault of the media is a cop-out since it's all the fault of a pedophile who can't control himself and rape a kid, cause in the end, [b]they're the ones making the choice of raping kids[/b], and we shouldn't stop considering a punishment because it might be a fault for companies that makes clothes. Hey, videogames includes murdering people, should we say they're at fault here?[/QUOTE] So a psychopath is at fault for murdering or harming another man? His synapses have been altered in such a way that he can't determine if what he is doing is right or wrong. It's not his conscious fault, rather his subconscious, and uncontrollable, problem that is influencing him in the way he acts.
[QUOTE=Azur;31324676][B]No you fuckwit,[/B] (she?) is just saying that the media and fashion industries are not helping by oversexualising the youth of today.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Kendra;31324756][B]You're an idiot.[/B] [/QUOTE] Can you stop with the bolded parts please???
[QUOTE=Kendra;31324756] And to your last argument, are you actually this dense? I said that a goverment would rather spend [I'm just making up numbers here] 1 billion won on chemical castration than 50 billion won on making it so that media can't take advantage of ignorant children, and that is fascistic, because [B]under no circumstances[/B] should the goverment be allowed to chemically alter your body without your full and informed consent.[/QUOTE] Are you saying we should censor a legitimate business company without their full and informed consent? Are you saying it's even wrong to lock up a human being inside a cell without their full and informed consent? Why people ever side with criminals against a procedure that can be only brought upon them by making idiotic choices when it's not even capital punishment but make it sound as if it is, I'll never understand. He made the choice of raping kids, so he'll face the punishment. He can still piss.
As long as this doesn't have a permanent effect I don't really see the problem.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;31324762]So what? It's their own decision to watch and wear whatever they want. Just because they have clothes that reveals a little bit more skin doesn't make it right to rape/abuse them. When you get into the tracks of "altering media" and altering the way people think into a way that more suits your mind, that's where I think you're going too far. It's quite ironic that you're calling chemical castration fascist, while you doesn't seem to notice that your ideas are rather radical themselves.[/QUOTE] Can you really blame a girl in her single digit years for wearing something that everyone is saying is "in/hip/cool"? She'd rather wear whatever is "in" than be left out, and this applies to most people at all ages, but some ignorant, and not yet intelligent girl is left without even the ability to make a choice. Also, if I have to choose between two evils, I'd much rather choose the one that involves not allowing the media to corrupt young minds than because of this corruption going on [corruption is a strong word, but it gets the point across], that in 20 years you are forced by someone else, unwillingly, to have your entire bodily mechanism altered because of something you most likely can't help.
[QUOTE=Kendra;31324771]So a psychopath is at fault for murdering or harming another man? His synapses have been altered in such a way that he can't determine if what he is doing is right or wrong. It's not his conscious fault, rather his subconscious, and uncontrollable, problem that is influencing him in the way he acts.[/QUOTE] Yet, the psychopath can't control what he does, cause he has truly no idea what he's doing is right or wrong. The pedophiles know, they know that raping people is against the law, yet they still did it. It's called consequences.
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