• To Protect His Son suffering from Leukemia, A Father Asks School To Bar Unvaccinated Children
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[quote=NPR]Carl Krawitt has watched his son, Rhett, now 6, fight leukemia for the past 4 1/2 years. For more than three of those years, Rhett has undergone round after round of chemotherapy. Last year he finished chemotherapy, and doctors say he is in remission. Now, there's a new threat, one that the family should not have to worry about: measles. [b]Rhett cannot be vaccinated, because his immune system is still rebuilding. It may be months more before his body is healthy enough to get all his immunizations.[/b] Until then, he depends on everyone around him for protection — what's known as herd immunity. [b]"If you choose not to immunize your own child and your own child dies because they get measles, OK, that's your responsibility, that's[/b][highlight] your choice.[/highlight] [b]But if your child gets sick and gets my child sick and my child dies, then ... [highlight]your action has harmed my child."[/b][/highlight][/quote] [url=http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2015/01/27/381888697/to-protect-his-son-a-father-asks-school-to-bar-unvaccinated-children?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20150127]Read more at NPR[/url]
Vaccinations should be law and that should be the end of it shitty parenting shouldn't be the cause of the childs death if you're too stupid to allow your kid to be vaccinated then yes, they shouldn't be allowed to be in a (public) school.
Should have already been law and child abuse to not do it.
i very much hope that the school requires vaccinations and doesn't ever give out "personal belief waivers" ever again.
[URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1447711"]Can't even take the kid to Disneyland to get his mind off of spending pretty much every bit of his life that he's able to remember in chemo.[/URL] Thanks, you antivax fuckers. I hope you catch polio. Enjoy that iron lung.
Anti-vaccers are infuriating. These are the same people that invest money in tarot card readings.
[QUOTE=J!NX;47025123]Vaccinations should be law and that should be the end of it shitty parenting shouldn't be the cause of the childs death if you're too stupid to allow your kid to be vaccinated then yes, they shouldn't be allowed to be in a (public) school.[/QUOTE] So basically everyone has freewill to vaccinate, but if they don't they should be outcasts? That's biblical grade bullshit.
If there's no reason for your child not to be vaccinated (i.e. allergic to some part of the vaccine, immune system issues like this kid) then you're a bad parent if you don't vaccinate him/her, and it should be illegal not to vaccinate your child for bullshit reasons. Religion is not an excuse, your god(s) will let this slide.
[QUOTE=Megadave;47025180]So basically everyone has freewill to vaccinate, but if they don't they should be outcasts? That's biblical grade bullshit.[/QUOTE] Anti vax is legitimately the most retarded and irresponsible thing you can do as a parent you're as bad as parents who beat their children if you're anti vax get your diseased fucking hands away from me and my family please. Go hang out with your crappy anti vax friends. I don't want you around me. Vaccinations should just be a national law and should be required, bar none. It should not be legal for a child to be vaccinated. also this "That's biblical grade bullshit" that you posted is one of the worst things I've read all month. it couldn't make any less sense if you wanted it to.
I don't vaccinate myself because my immune system isn't a piece of shit. Children are different, their immunes aren't quite good, so they need this shit.
[QUOTE=Megadave;47025180]So basically everyone has freewill to vaccinate, but if they don't they should be outcasts? That's biblical grade bullshit.[/QUOTE] What's "Biblical grade bullshit" is people putting all their faith in God to protect their children while ignoring the consequences of their actions.
[QUOTE=Megadave;47025180]So basically everyone has freewill to vaccinate, but if they don't they should be outcasts? That's biblical grade bullshit.[/QUOTE] Its not biblical bullshit. Its common sense. If you don't support vaccinations I wouldn't have you within 50 miles of any child prone to disease because your not responsible enough to vaccinate your kids
[QUOTE=Megadave;47025180]So basically everyone has freewill to vaccinate, but if they don't they should be outcasts? That's biblical grade bullshit.[/QUOTE] You know what's also biblical grade bullshit? dying of previously eradicated illnesses brought back by ignorance. If you do not protect your child from illness or spreading illness, you should be outcasts. You're endangering the lives of children. Vaccinations should be legally mandated on punishment by removal of the children from your care.
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;47025188]What's "Biblical grade bullshit" is people putting all their faith in God to protect their children while ignoring the consequences of their actions.[/QUOTE] Christian's always say god gives people freewill, but if they do anything outside of the church they are shunned. The reasoning is very similar.
[QUOTE=Megadave;47025180]So basically everyone has freewill to vaccinate, but if they don't they should be outcasts? That's biblical grade bullshit.[/QUOTE] No it's not, it's a good case of "We don't want a fucking pandemic because of some shirtlords who think getting their kids vaccinated is going to give them autism".
I would hope this doesn't include other children who cannot be vaccinated.
[QUOTE=Megadave;47025187]I don't vaccinate myself because my immune system isn't a piece of shit. Children are different, their immunes aren't quite good, so they need this shit.[/QUOTE] that's a really awful mentality, and also a level of arrogance that these parent's have, and also why people are dying of diseases that were treated like, 50 years ago. You're stupid ideas are putting you at risk for polio and many, many diseases. If you ever get cancer, or HIV, you're going to have ZERO ways to even defend yourself from these diseases, and you're going to be [B]SCREWED.[/B] Instead of recovering or coping with it, your immune system is going to completely shut down and no medication will help you at that point. this is even more magical and silly thinking than not using an anti-virus because "You have common sense". Because in this case, you may clean everything constantly and you COULD still get something really bad. IT's not likely, it might not happen, but without vaccinations, you're at a way worse risk of it becoming very critical. [QUOTE=Megadave;47025196]Christian's always say god gives people freewill, but if they do anything outside of the church they are shunned. The reasoning is very similar.[/QUOTE] Good thing I don't think they deserve the free will to choose to ruin their children lives by not getting a vaccination then. I guess that makes me a facist or something.
[QUOTE=Megadave;47025187]I don't vaccinate myself because my immune system isn't a piece of shit. Children are different, their immunes aren't quite good, so they need this shit.[/QUOTE] good luck
[QUOTE=Megadave;47025196]Christian's always say god gives people freewill, but if they do anything outside of the church they are shunned. The reasoning is very similar.[/QUOTE] Only this isn't a religion, it's fucking basic human care. They're completely incomparable.
[QUOTE=Megadave;47025187]I don't vaccinate myself because my immune system isn't a piece of shit. Children are different, their immunes aren't quite good, so they need this shit.[/QUOTE] And then you get other people sick. Good work. [editline]27th January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Megadave;47025180]So basically everyone has freewill to vaccinate, but if they don't they should be outcasts? That's biblical grade bullshit.[/QUOTE] You know what else is biblical grade bullshit? A fucking plague.
[QUOTE=Megadave;47025196]Christian's always say god gives people freewill, but if they do anything outside of the church they are shunned. The reasoning is very similar.[/QUOTE] I have no idea what you're trying to say, I'm at a complete loss. Are you insinuating that it's okay to not vaccinate your kids, even if it risks harming other people because of personal opinion or beliefs?
"B-but my kid will get autism if he gets vaccinated!" You know what else he'll get if he gets vaccinated? Not measles. Grow a pair and get him that flu shot.
How can you guys not see the reasoning you are doing. It is exactly the same mindset that religious people have. You cling to an idea, and then you push it to the extreme. Adult's who are healthy and don't have a history of illness don't need vaccine's pumped into their body. If adult's don't want to take vaccine's, they shouldn't be thrown in a fucking jail. [editline]28th January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=BANNED USER;47025216]I have no idea what you're trying to say, I'm at a complete loss. Are you insinuating that it's okay to not vaccinate your kids, even if it risks harming other people because of personal opinion or beliefs?[/QUOTE] Kids should get vaccines, their immune systems are weaker so they need the boost. But adults don't need laws to tell them to get vaccines.
[QUOTE=Megadave;47025180]So basically everyone has freewill to vaccinate, but if they don't they should be outcasts? That's biblical grade bullshit.[/QUOTE] What's biblical grade bullshit is if this kid (who is unable to get vaccinations) catches measles or some other HILARIOUSLY vaccine preventable disease because there were kids in the school who were not vaccinated because of their parents misinformed decision. I'm all for defending free will and personal beliefs until those personal beliefs can bring actual harm to others. This is one of those situations.
[QUOTE=Megadave;47025233]How can you guys not see the reasoning you are doing. It is exactly the same mindset that religious people have. You cling to an idea, and then you push it to the extreme. Adult's who are healthy and don't have a history of illness don't need vaccine's pumped into their body. If adult's don't want to take vaccine's, they shouldn't be thrown in a fucking jail. [editline]28th January 2015[/editline] Kids should get vaccines, their immune systems are weaker so they need the boost. But adults don't need laws to tell them to get vaccines.[/QUOTE] go get vaxxed, dawg
[QUOTE=Megadave;47025233]How can you guys not see the reasoning you are doing. It is exactly the same mindset that religious people have. You cling to an idea, and then you push it to the extreme. Adult's who are healthy and don't have a history of illness don't need vaccine's pumped into their body. If adult's don't want to take vaccine's, they shouldn't be thrown in a fucking jail.[/QUOTE] Is this guy trolling or something? No one said they should be thrown in jail, you're completely exaggerating what we are saying. And this isn't even the same mindset religious people have, [U]that doesn't even make any sense [/U][U]at all.[/U] it doesn't matter if you're healthy, you should still take vaccinations so you don't become unhealthy. You should take measures to protect yourself so that you don't suffer from an illness that you could have prevented, that was stopped years, to an entire century ago. If you are a vaccinated adult and get infected with [QUOTE]Anthrax Cervical Cancer (Human Papillomavirus) Diphtheria Hepatitis A Hepatitis B Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib) Human Papillomavirus (HPV) Influenza (Flu) Japanese encephalitis (JE) Lyme disease Lyme disease vaccine no longer available in the United States. Measles Meningococcal Monkeypox There is NO monkeypox vaccine. The smallpox vaccine is used for this disease. Mumps Pertussis Pneumococcal Polio Rabies Rotavirus Rubella Shingles (Herpes Zoster) Smallpox Tetanus Typhoid Tuberculosis (TB) Varicella (Chickenpox) Yellow Fever[/QUOTE] you won't have to worry because it will go away if you aren't vaccinated it could potentially turn you into a corpse. That is what will happen if you're a healthy adult without vaccinations. I'd rather be unfit and vaccinated, then fit and unvaccinated. If I get any of those as a vaccinated adult I'd be a LOT better off the thing is though... this is about children being unvaccinated without them knowing better.
[QUOTE=Megadave;47025233]How can you guys not see the reasoning you are doing. It is exactly the same mindset that religious people have. You cling to an idea, and then you push it to the extreme. Adult's who are healthy and don't have a history of illness don't need vaccine's pumped into their body. If adult's don't want to take vaccine's, they shouldn't be thrown in a fucking jail. [editline]28th January 2015[/editline] Kids should get vaccines, their immune systems are weaker so they need the boost. But adults don't need laws to tell them to get vaccines.[/QUOTE] Generally those adults are healthy and without polio or measles because [I]they got fucking vaccinated.[/I]
[QUOTE=Megadave;47025233]How can you guys not see the reasoning you are doing. It is exactly the same mindset that religious people have. You cling to an idea, and then you push it to the extreme. Adult's who are healthy and don't have a history of illness don't need vaccine's pumped into their body. If adult's don't want to take vaccine's, they shouldn't be thrown in a fucking jail.[/QUOTE] There is a difference - however slight - between an adult voluntarily fucking themselves with an unprepared immune system, and an adult forcing a child to be vulnerable to chickenpox, hep A, hep B, flu, diphtheria, measles, mumps, rubella, meningococcal disease, whooping cough, and tetanus. Both inherently bend vaccine-incapable folks over the exam counter, but at least one is voluntary stupidity and the other is child endangerment. Your immune system will not automatically counter those diseases just because you're an adult. Get real.
[QUOTE=Megadave;47025233]How can you guys not see the reasoning you are doing. It is exactly the same mindset that religious people have. You cling to an idea, and then you push it to the extreme. Adult's who are healthy and don't have a history of illness don't need vaccine's pumped into their body. If adult's don't want to take vaccine's, they shouldn't be thrown in a fucking jail. [editline]28th January 2015[/editline] Kids should get vaccines, their immune systems are weaker so they need the boost. But adults don't need laws to tell them to get vaccines.[/QUOTE] And it's those exact people, the ones who [i]choose[/i] to not get vaccinated, who put those who [i]cannot[/i] be vaccinated at risk. They're the reason why preventable illnesses persist, because they effectively harbor those diseases we can combat. You're terrible at being a Devils Advocate.
[QUOTE=Megadave;47025233]How can you guys not see the reasoning you are doing. It is exactly the same mindset that religious people have. You cling to an idea, and then you push it to the extreme. Adult's who are healthy and don't have a history of illness don't need vaccine's pumped into their body. If adult's don't want to take vaccine's, they shouldn't be thrown in a fucking jail.[/quote] We're [B]not[/B] talking about healthy and mature adults rejecting vaccines, at all. They know the shit they're getting into, and are willing to face the consequences. However... [quote]Kids should get vaccines, their immune systems are weaker so they need the boost. But adults don't need laws to tell them to get vaccines.[/QUOTE] There are [I]many[/I] parents around the world who decide to NOT vaccinate their children due to bullshit reasons (Pseudoscience, religion taken the wrong way, they're just idiots, etc). These kids not only are NOT protected against many dangerous illnesses, they also put similar un-vaccinated children at risk. We're talking about [B]this[/B] point. Un-vaccinated children shouldn't be in public school because they are a danger to everyone around them and themselves.
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