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Only a tiny percentage of students who graduated at the height of the recession are unemployed, according to a survey.
More than eight out of 10 said they were satisfied with their career and two-thirds thought their course had given value for money, the survey of more than 60,000 graduates by the Higher Education Statistics Agency found.
About 87% of the class of 2008-09 were in work three and a half years after graduating, 6.7% were engaged in further study and 3.2% were unemployed. Some 7.2% had been jobless six months after they graduated.
The unemployment rate after three and a half years was lower than it was for 2007 graduates (3.5%) but higher than that of 2005 graduates (2.6%). The unemployment rate in the general population is 7.8%.
The study revealed differences in employment rates between subject areas, with 89% of 2009's medicine and dentistry graduates saying they were in a job, compared with 72% of history or philosophy graduates.
Of the overall 2009 cohort, 83% reported career satisfaction and almost 66% described their course as value for money. Almost 75% felt their course had prepared them well for their career.
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[url]http://www.theguardian.com/education/2013/aug/29/graduates-work-survey[/url]
The economy isnt good but it isnt as bad as everybody and the media makes it out to be.
[quote] 89% of 2009's medicine and dentistry graduates saying they were in a job, compared with 72% of history or philosophy graduates.[/quote]
Science and Health jobs prepare you more to do a specific type of job using your knowledge than the other subjects. Lab procedures and studying the human body along with internships are basically job training so you can immediately begin working on something you've been practicing for a while.
The history and philosophy classes (liberal arts in general?), besides teaching you how to be responsible/do work (that's just a part of college), teach you how to think and criticize thoughts. History moreover shows you the strengths/weaknesses of applied philosophies through different time periods. They are more like classes to prepare you how to think about anything or any job you do versus the science grads. I feel like this area is less employed because many non-science jobs are just "do x thing for y hours" versus stuff that requires interpersonal skills and creativity. Or maybe they're in the same amount but employers don't care if people can think, they just want the job done. I'm not sure.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;42014740]The history and philosophy classes (liberal arts in general?), besides teaching you how to be responsible/do work (that's just a part of college), teach you how to think and criticize thoughts. History moreover shows you the strengths/weaknesses of applied philosophies through different time periods. They are more like classes to prepare you how to think about anything or any job you do versus the science grads. I feel like this area is less employed because many non-science jobs are just "do x thing for y hours" versus stuff that requires interpersonal skills and creativity. Or maybe they're in the same amount but employers don't care if people can think, they just want the job done. I'm not sure.[/QUOTE]
Science and technology jobs can and do use more creativity and critical thinking than most other jobs I've seen. I, personally, am almost done with an electrical engineering major and while the factual knowledge is nice the majority of classes are built around teaching you how to problem solve effectively. This ability can extend far beyond any technological field. Engineering, along with most tech based jobs, is also essentially exclusively a team built profession. If you can't work with people you won't be very successful in any field.
Math and science based majors make more money because they are harder. People simply don't understand how much more difficult it is to graduate as an engineer than a history major, for example.
[QUOTE=sgman91;42014781]Science and technology jobs can and do use more creativity and critical thinking than most other jobs I've seen. I, personally, am almost done with an electrical engineering major and while the factual knowledge is nice the majority of classes are built around teaching you how to problem solve effectively. This ability can extend far beyond any technological field.[/QUOTE]
Those scientists usually have a huge interest in philosphy and history. A lot of engineers and chemists at my university are dull and don't really show any sort of critical thinking skill beyond how atoms and calculus works. Which is critical thinking but if you ask them what Weird Fiction is or discuss the awkwardness of society they just kinda stare at you.
And that bullshit about other majors being harder than others, really needs to stop.
[QUOTE=Swilly;42014809]Those scientists usually have a huge interest in philosphy and history. A lot of engineers and chemists at my university are dull and don't really show any sort of critical thinking skill beyond how atoms and calculus works. Which is critical thinking but if you ask them what Weird Fiction is or discuss the awkwardness of society they just kinda stare at you.[/QUOTE]
They must be imbeciles if they don't know about weird fiction and the awkwardness of society! /sarcasm
I'm not even sure how I'm supposed to respond to that. I would much rather someone be interested in philosophy and history than "weird fiction."
[QUOTE]And that bullshit about other majors being harder than others, really needs to stop.[/QUOTE]
How the hell is that bullshit. There's a reason engineering majors are shown to study more than anyone else.
[QUOTE=sgman91;42014781]Science and technology jobs can and do use more creativity and critical thinking than most other jobs I've seen. I, personally, am almost done with an electrical engineering major and while the factual knowledge is nice the majority of classes are built around teaching you how to problem solve effectively. This ability can extend far beyond any technological field. Engineering, along with most tech based jobs, is also essentially exclusively a team built profession. If you can't work with people you won't be very successful in any field.
Math and science based majors make more money because they are harder. People simply don't understand how much more difficult it is to graduate as an engineer than a history major, for example.[/QUOTE]
I agree with the payment thing. I'm on my last year of high school and plan to enter Nuke Eng as my major, I've taken only advanced classes throughout high school so I know where you're coming from.
I was focusing more on employment rather than pay though. STEM jobs require immense levels of skill and creativity to do the job, while LibArts requires less skill than STEM to do the job [I]well[/I].
I'm just thinking out loud here, so correct me if I'm wrong.
I think it's bullshit other things are harder too, it's more so you may find something easier, it doesn't mean your course is harder than others. More people are good at learning history than math, but people learning math may find history just as hard type deal.
It depends on the field. My major for example currently has a 100% employment rate. (Marine Transportation)
[QUOTE=DeadCow;42014992]It depends on the field. My major for example currently has a 100% employment rate. (Marine Transportation)[/QUOTE]
to be honest, 'employment rate' is extremely vague and ambiguous. i think if you split the employment rate into various fields of employment, things would be alot clearer. ive seen courses claim high employment rates when 60% of the students go on to work 'in retail' (working at a till)
[QUOTE=Swilly;42014809]Those scientists usually have a huge interest in philosphy and history. A lot of engineers and chemists at my university are dull and don't really show any sort of critical thinking skill beyond how atoms and calculus works. Which is critical thinking but if you ask them what Weird Fiction is or discuss the awkwardness of society they just kinda stare at you.
And that bullshit about other majors being harder than others, really needs to stop.[/QUOTE]
majors can be harder than each other it's just that there's no "superior" major.
[QUOTE=Swilly;42014809]And that bullshit about other majors being harder than others, really needs to stop.[/QUOTE]
Man you must be going to a college with fucking terrible STEM departments if that's what you think
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And that bullshit about other majors being harder than others, really needs to stop.
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Liberal arts major in here.
[QUOTE=Swilly;42014809]Those scientists usually have a huge interest in philosphy and history. A lot of engineers and chemists at my university are dull and don't really show any sort of critical thinking skill beyond how atoms and calculus works. Which is critical thinking but if you ask them what Weird Fiction is or discuss the awkwardness of society they just kinda stare at you.
And that bullshit about other majors being harder than others, really needs to stop.[/QUOTE]
Weird fiction is the stuff you see in the description section of Deviantart
I'm of the personal opinion that doing a STEM degree is just practical, and from my personal situation far more worth while due to a poor socioeconomic situation growing up. I'm only saying this because I'm actually better in the Arts, but I had to look at my degree being a good return on the investment my family is paying for my really expensive education.
That being said the obvious advice to anyone is do what you're passionate about and the success will follow usually. If I were a parent I couldn't care less what program my child chose to do, it's not like we can just have a country over saturated with only engineers, doctors, and other science related jobs. You need diversity :)
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