Stoic philosophy is named after the porch or arcade ([i]stoa[/i]) in Athens where the first Stoics met and discussed their ideas. The works of the founding Stoic, Zeno of Citium (334-262 BC), and his followers survive only as quoted fragments in later writings, but the Stoic school was also influential in the Roman world and original texts are known from this time. Stoicism was revived in the Renaissance and continues to influence ethical thought today.
Stoic philosophy included a theory of the natural world as well as ethics. Stoics believed in a cosmos formed and guided by a [i]logos[/i], or reason, that represents order, destiny and the law of nature. The Stoics' ethical system is based on a belief in the harmony of the universe. Pain and suffering exist because the dark is needed to give form to the light, as in a painting; the whole, though, is perfect and harmonious. As far as pain and evil beyond our control are concerned, they recommended [i]apatheia[/i], indifference or freedom from intense feelings. Tranquility is to be achieved, they taught, by suppressing irrational emotions - for example, regrets about the past - and bringing one's reason into line with the cosmic order by acceptance of its inevitability.
The origins of Stoic ideas go back beyond the Greek philosophers to the religions and philosophies of the East. The conception of wisdom that caem to the Greeks from these sources was one of pursuing inner peace, seeking finally to reach the state of "nothingness" that alone frees a human being from the pain and struggle of existence. This philosophy of acceptance and withdrawal from the "self" is to be found in Epicurus (341-270 BC) as well as in Stoic doctrines. It has also influenced certain modern philosophers such as Spinoza and Schopenhauer. The common thread is a conception of moral wisdom as a recognition of the inevitability of things, and a determination not to corrode one's soul with resentment at what is beyond reach.
Stoicism is not only concerned with looking inward and cultivating self-control and tranquility - the qualities with which the term "stoical" is commonly linked today - but also looks outward, recommending social usefulness on the stage of the world, where all human beings meet as equals. Stoic philosophers were aware of the diversity of human views of truth and right, and this led them to distinguish between the laws that could rightly be regarded as varying from place to place, and universal law - the law of nature - which was not variable or relative in this way. Stoicism, then, was a cosmopolitan philosophy in the true sense of the word. Stoic duty is the duty of a citizen of the world, not of one particular country; it is a duty to promote the wellbeing of all those you can affect.
Now, discuss thoughts, agreements and disagreements.
stoic it in my asshole
first post easily claimed by rambo. chalk another one up for the good guys
You spelled 'came' wrong.
You see me amazed my dear friend by this flow of truth and knowledge.
:aaaaa:
Sounds like some kind of hippie-ness.
I would like to remind people that Greeks also believed semen contained the knowledge of the person it came from, and having sex with a boy (doesn't work with a woman) imparts some of their wisdom and knowledge to the boy.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;20556928]I would like to remind people that Greeks also believed semen contained the knowledge of the person it came from, and having sex with a boy (doesn't work with a woman) imparts some of their wisdom and knowledge to the boy.[/QUOTE]
They had some fun times back then :v:
But this is more on a thought and reason level of thinking, not physical thought, like believing an object has a magical ability, such in this case as semen to pass knowledge.
Hail Scorpius, Wikipedia Incarnate
[QUOTE=Gutted;20557153]Hail Scorpius, Wikipedia Incarnate[/QUOTE]
First off, it's spelled Scorpious.
Second of all, this is not from Wikipedia, but a collection of books on philosophy and history.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20557186]Second of all, this is not from Wikipedia, but a collection of books on philosophy and history.[/QUOTE]
That you were dying to share with us?
[QUOTE=Gutted;20557265]That you were dying to share with us?[/QUOTE]
Yes. DYING.
Now, I can live.
[QUOTE=Leviathanos;20556851]Sounds like some kind of hippie-ness.[/QUOTE]
That's what I thought.
[QUOTE=Gutted;20557265]That you were dying to share with us?[/QUOTE]
*psst*
some people are still going for respected
let them be, it's funny to watch
[QUOTE=Leviathanos;20556851]Sounds like some kind of hippie-ness.[/QUOTE]
That's pretty much all the old greeks were good for.
That and they invented the back fetish, along with yogurt.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;20557449]*psst*
some people are still going for respected
let them be, it's funny to watch
That's pretty much all the old greeks were good for.
That and they invented the back fetish, along with yogurt.[/QUOTE]
Respected member is worthless these days. People barely read the title of "RU" under their user name. My intention is to give out information that will make people think. I promise you, you will never see me receive RU. Just read some of my posts in the In The News or Fast Threads section.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20557642]My intention is to give out information that will make people think.[/QUOTE]
except FP isn't a school, and most of us are folks at or well above your education level
this is the kind of shit thread that made RU hilarious and why you must still be after it
no insight for the intellectuals nor condensation for the newbies
just "look at me I dump a wall of text on a subject
discuss"
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;20557710]except FP isn't a school, and most of us are folks at or well above your education level
this is the kind of shit thread that made RU hilarious and why you must still be after it
no insight for the intellectuals nor condensation for the newbies
just "look at me I dump a wall of text on a subject
discuss"[/QUOTE]
If I remember correctly, I'm in my second year of college, majoring in history with a minor in philosophy and that the majority of FP is in their 10th or 11th year of high school.
And I do believe that [i]is[/i] a condensation for newbies. I believe you are merely trolling my thread.
I'm in the process of learning about Stoicism in my Humanities class.
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;20559922]I'm in the process of learning about Stoicism in my Humanities class.[/QUOTE]
At least one person is contributing.
Any thoughts on it?
What a coincidence, I actually just wrote an essay for my Western Civilization class about ancient Greek philosophy in the Periclean Age, including the Stoics/Zeno. From my understanding, the Stoics thought that effort was more important than accomplishment and had the highest regard for virtue. I do not agree with this because the end result matters more than what goes into anything. People care about results because we are selfish and whether or not effort went into something does not matter as long as the job is done. For example, my boss at work is usually not present when I am working and thus I am free to either get busy and do more than the minimum, staying active all night, or I can choose to laze around and scramble later on to get the minimum work done that is required. On both occasions, I am not going to get fired. The fact is that results are more important because people care more about just getting by as opposed to actually improving, in which effort is more important.
[QUOTE=Gmonkeyv9;20561944]What a coincidence, I actually just wrote an essay for my Western Civilization class about ancient Greek philosophy in the Periclean Age, including the Stoics/Zeno. From my understanding, the Stoics thought that effort was more important than accomplishment and had the highest regard for virtue. I do not agree with this because the end result matters more than what goes into anything. People care about results because we are selfish and whether or not effort went into something does not matter as long as the job is done. For example, my boss at work is usually not present when I am working and thus I am free to either get busy and do more than the minimum, staying active all night, or I can choose to laze around and scramble later on to get the minimum work done that is required. On both occasions, I am not going to get fired. The fact is that results are more important because people care more about just getting by as opposed to actually improving, in which effort is more important.[/QUOTE]
But what if all your effort is put into an activity, and you fail to achieve the desired result? Does that mean all your effort is meaningless simply because you failed?
I think, while not fully judged on, that partial credit should be given for credit it. Outcomes of certain actions cannot always be controlled, and so we have to focus on the intent of the activity more so than the result.
Suppose that a females asks if she looks nice in a certain dress. You believe that she does not, and believe that others will not either, but to avoid hurting her feelings, you lie and tell her she looks alright. If others then make fun of her, and she is crushed because of it, it wasn't your intention for her to feel crushed, but the opposite. You meant well, despite the result not being what you wished.
I find this stuff somewhat interesting but most people on FP have an attention span of three seconds so most people won't read all this.
[QUOTE=Stupideye;20562675]I find this stuff somewhat interesting but most people on FP have an attention span of three seconds so most people won't read all this.[/QUOTE]
I've sadly discovered this after reading the first few posts :smith:
first numbers, and now this? did you just learn about this stuff or why do you think about this so much?
[QUOTE=Peluri;20562745]first numbers, and now this? did you just learn about this stuff or why do you think about this so much?[/QUOTE]
The unexamined life isn't worth living.
[QUOTE=Peluri;20562745]first numbers, and now this? did you just learn about this stuff or why do you think about this so much?[/QUOTE]
What this man says,
[QUOTE=The Pale Lotus;20562747]The unexamined life isn't worth living.[/QUOTE]
-Socrates
I vote your next thread be about the pythagoras cult. I also feel that the intent is more important than outcome even though our world only cares about the latter.
[QUOTE=duckduckdean;20562994]I vote your next thread be about the pythagoras cult. I also feel that the intent is more important than outcome even though our world only cares about the latter.[/QUOTE]
It's sad that our world is so focused on consequences and results of actions more than on the actions themselves with their intentions.
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