• Islamic Battalions, Stocked With Chechens, Aid Ukraine in War With Rebels
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[IMG]http://static01.nyt.com/images/2015/07/08/world/08chechens-web1/08chechens-web1-master675.jpg[/IMG] [quote]Members of a Chechen battalion fighting against Russian-backed rebels in Lysychansk, Ukraine, in Februrary.[/quote] [quote=New York Times]MARIUPOL, Ukraine — Wearing camouflage, with a bushy salt and pepper beard flowing over his chest and a bowie knife sheathed prominently in his belt, the man cut a fearsome figure in the nearly empty restaurant. Waiters hovered apprehensively near the kitchen, and try as he might, the man who calls himself “Muslim,” a former Chechen warlord, could not wave them over for more tea. Even for Ukrainians hardened by more than a year of war here against Russian-backed separatists, the appearance of Islamic combatants, mostly Chechens, in towns near the front lines comes as something of a surprise —and for many of the Ukrainians, a welcome one. [B]“We like to fight the Russians,” said the Chechen, who refused to give his real name. “We always fight the Russians.”[/B] He commands one of three volunteer Islamic battalions out of about 30 volunteer units in total fighting now in eastern Ukraine. The Islamic battalions are deployed to the hottest zones, which is why the Chechen was here. Fighting is intensifying around Mariupol, a strategic seaport and industrial hub that the separatists have long coveted. Monitors for the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe say they have seen steady nighttime shipments of Russian military equipment on a rail line north of here. Recently, the Ukrainian authorities released photos — which they saidwere taken by a drone flying north of the city — that showed a massing ofheavy weapons, including tanks and howitzers, on the rebel side. Anticipating an attack in the coming months, the Ukrainians are happy for all the help they can get. As the Ukrainians see it, they are at a lopsided disadvantage against the separatists because Western governments have refused to provide the government forces with anything like the military support that the rebels have received from Russia. The army, corrupt and underfunded, has been largely ineffective. So the Ukrainians welcome backing from even Islamic militants from Chechnya.[/quote] [URL]http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/08/world/europe/islamic-battalions-stocked-with-chechens-aid-ukraine-in-war-with-rebels.html[/URL]
we should have armed them when the Russians shotdown MH17. Now the Ukrainians need Chechens to help them. This war is a shitfest.
The more people fight against Russia the better.
[QUOTE=joshuadim;48145340]The more people fight against Russia the better.[/QUOTE] "Who" counts for a lot. Not just numbers alone. Because the "who" have an affect on the peace after the war.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;48145348]"Who" counts for a lot. Not just numbers alone.[/QUOTE] I could give less of a damn. The sooner these fucking rebels are beaten, the sooner I can have a piece of mind knowing my family members who live there are safe there.
This really isn't that good of a thing to be honest. The Chechens are a really shady and have shown that they aren't above some really fucked up things in the past. While it's good that Ukraine's actually getting some sort of support, this feels really similar to the Syrian Rebels having to buy weapons from Al-Qaeda and other similar groups.
Yeah no enabling terrorist and chechens especially is a terrible idea fuck whoever is funding them.
[QUOTE=joshuadim;48145354]I could give less of a damn. The sooner these fucking rebels are beaten, the sooner I can have a piece of mind knowing my family members who live there are safe there.[/QUOTE] They won't be safe when an Islamic emirate is carved out over their heads.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;48145432]They won't be safe when an Islamic emirate is carved out over their heads.[/QUOTE] Yes because one battalion can take over Ukraine You know what, nah, not gonna argue. It's SH after all.
[QUOTE=joshuadim;48145460]Yes because one battalion can take over Ukraine You know what, nah, not gonna argue. It's SH after all.[/QUOTE] also the fact that you're blatantly wrong about everything you've said (barring the 'single battalion' remark which makes up for in irrelevance what it lacks in falsity)
Gah, I need to go to bed. I read the title as 'Stocked with Chickens'.
The Chechen's involvement will only provoke Russias involvement to worsen, and will give them more excuses.
This honestly one of the first things I thought of when reading this. [img]http://hugelolcdn.com/i460/129970.jpg[/img]
Welp... atleast they didnt join to ISIS
Just returning the favor after Ukrainian nationalists [url=http://www.jamestown.org/single/?tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=3198&no_cache=1#.VZybxvlVhBd]fought in the first Chechen war.[/url]
[QUOTE=joshuadim;48145460]Yes because one battalion can take over Ukraine You know what, nah, not gonna argue. It's SH after all.[/QUOTE] hey man this is just some common sense but generally you don't want guys fighting in a war, regardless of their allegiance or ideology, who are there literally just to kill a specific ethnicity out of hatred. Things like mass murder and genocide tend to sprout up because of this. It's really not at all sane for you, or anyone else, to go "yay, ideological loonies are joining my side of the war to kill the guys I don't like". If the Romani rose up and joined the rebels with the explicit reason to kill Ukrainians, it would be no different than these Chechens, and thats bad and we shouldn't support them!
[QUOTE=joshuadim;48145460]Yes because one battalion can take over Ukraine You know what, nah, not gonna argue. It's SH after all.[/QUOTE] Then why did you even respond to that post? You're missing my point entirely. You should learn what a metaphor is; I didn't mean that literally happening to Ukraine.
But the Russians have also hired Chechens to fight for the rebels. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiGTwSjL6nI[/media]
lol all the winner ratings. Because more chechen extremists is good, right?
Great, now both sides have Chechens. What a mess.
i'm surprised it took this long for chechens to jump at the chance to kill russians
If Russia had any consistency or a shred of truth in their foreign policy, Chechnya would be an independent nation the moment Russia invaded Ukraine.
[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;48146771]Great, now both sides have Chechens. What a mess.[/QUOTE] Both sides will be locked down under heavy fire, unable to advance or retreat, when someone stands up and shouts, "Hold on a second! Is there anyone here that [I]isn't[/I] Chechen?!"
[QUOTE=Starpluck;48146817]If Russia had any consistency or a shred of truth in their foreign policy, Chechnya would be an independent nation the moment Russia invaded Ukraine.[/QUOTE] Kind of true. Russia should have let Chechnya go and be done with it when they first went independent. When they did go independent Russia provided them with money to help rebuild the damage they had done and paid for healthcare, education and pensions. (1996) [url]http://www.themoscowtimes.com/sitemap/free/1996/11/article/chechen-official-says-russia-to-pay-pensions/316147.html[/url] I agree that Russia should have never invaded Chechnya the first time and let them become independent. I guess Yeltsin needed a break from ruining his own country and wanted to try ruining someone elses. The Chechen Republic quickly spiraled into chaos, radical Islamists had grown in power and influence and in 1998 the Islamists began attacking the Chechen militias/police forces. Eventually the Islamists took over entirely replacing the Chechen Republics government. In 1999 the Islamists (Islamic international brigades) began attacking nearby Russian territory (Dagestan) and commiting terrorists acts nearby killing several 100 people. Russia invaded the failed state using rather brutal tactics. True they did it to regain the land they considered lost but I think the fact the helped provide security, healthcare, pensions and education to the Republic also indicated they might have tried to have them as a neighbour. I think if any country had an Islamic rogue state on their doorstep they would be inclinded to do something about it, especially if they are actively attacking your borders and blowing up/kidnapping your people. Also please consider that some of the seperatist leaders from the 1st chechen war joined sides with Russia for the second war preferring Russian rule to an Islamic state. (Ramzan Kadyrov) [editline]8th July 2015[/editline] As for the actual article in OP. There were rumours that islamists were helping the Ukrainians a while back but it was dismissed as Russian propaganda. Also worth considering that Crimea was home to some of the Chechen terrorists, so they would have had a thing or 2 to say about Russian occupation/annexation. This might help add some credibility to this story (sorry for shit tier source) [url]http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/wanted-british-white-widow-terrorist-4616471[/url] [editline]8th July 2015[/editline] fun fact - Chechen islamic brigade veterans are now fighting as part of Daesh.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;48146953] fun fact - Chechen islamic brigade veterans are now fighting as part of Daesh.[/QUOTE] Chechens fight pretty much everywhere and with anyone
Chechens are basically the $5 prostitutes of warfare: If one side even vaguely hints at kinda sorta agreeing with their ideology, they jump to it and start waging war.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;48147860]Chechens are basically the $5 prostitutes of warfare: If one side even vaguely hints at kinda sorta agreeing with their ideology, they jump to it and start waging war.[/QUOTE] Same might be said about lots of people. I think theres a few different "types" of people going on there. Those who owe allegiance to Russia, those who owe allegiance to the hope of an independent Republic, those who owe allegiance to Islamic brigades (lots of these arent from chechnya anyway) and those who owe allegiance to their family or gang. Or a mixture. Anywhere so divided will end up spewing freedom fighters, mercenaries and militias. Funny that the Rostok battalion on islamic brigades found a new place to fight each other. [sp]not actually funny just sad and destructive[/sp]
I wonder what will happen when (or rather, if) they meet up with Azov.
[QUOTE=SuperPlamz;48152595]I wonder what will happen when (or rather, if) they meet up with Azov.[/QUOTE] Nothing. Right Sector and a few of the Chechen battalions have actually worked together, so it's not far off to assume if given the chance, Azov and the Chechens would be working just as effectively. [quote=NY Times]The Chechen commands the Sheikh Mansur group, named for an 18th-century Chechen resistance figure. [B]It is subordinate to the nationalist Right Sector, a Ukrainian militia.[/B][/quote]
This war is one thing, once it ends the area is going to be a giant shitfest
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