• France’s Front National forms bloc in European Parliament
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[QUOTE]Marine Le Pen’s far-right National Front party said Monday it had enough support to form a group in the European Parliament, a long-awaited move that will boost the group’s influence in the assembly. The anti-European Union, anti-immigration party said in a statement it was to formally announce the creation of its group, named “Europe of Nations and Freedoms,” in a press conference Tuesday hosted by party chief Le Pen in Brussels. By forming a group, the National Front (FN) will get more speaking time during the plenary sessions and more staff. The party will also be better positioned to get its members on parliamentary committees, where groups exert control over access. The FN has 23 deputies in Parliament, just short of the 25 needed to form a group, but the real challenge has been the recruitment of deputies from a minimum of seven nations needed to form a group. The statement did not specify the names or nationalities of the deputies the party had recruited to meet that requirement. Le Pen’s parliamentary adviser declined to name the additional MEPs. But parliamentary sources said the group will include 36 MEPs from several parties, including one from the UK Independence Party (UKIP) and one from Hungarian far-right party Jobbik, as well as deputies from the Netherlands’ PVV, Austria’s FPÖ, Italy’s Lega Nord and Belgium’s Vlaams Belang.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://g8fip1kplyr33r3krz5b97d1.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/h_51912659-714x476.jpg[/IMG] [URL="http://www.politico.eu/article/frances-national-front-forms-bloc-in-european-parliament/"]http://www.politico.eu/article/frances-national-front-forms-bloc-in-european-parliament/[/URL]
Fuck off Le Pen nobody likes your nazi ass.
Europe repeating the same mistakes
Nice of them to group all the idiots together for everybody.
[QUOTE=WhatANiceName;47978103]Nice of them to group all the idiots together for everybody.[/QUOTE] It's going to be largely group of people who will happily collect their EU representative salary and then never show up on the actual parliamentarian meetings because they are too cool for EU. Vote for them if you want to sponsor a leech and ensure your vote will have no effect on anything whatsoever.
Of course the Front national will ally itself with whatever wacky party is willing, even if it is as wacky and insane as Jobbik of Hungary. Political opportunism goes hand-in-hand with reactionary politics.
Fuck these guys.
Comparing them to Nazi's is laughable seeing as they support the state of Israel. [QUOTE=Wikipedia]Le Pen, during the 2012 presidential elections, worked hard to align herself with the many Jewish people in France, in an attempt to obtain their support in the election like her father in 1988 when he went to see the World Jewish Congress.[/QUOTE] I don't align with them but I believe that's unfair to make such a claim.
They "support" the state of Israel yet they're willing to buddy up with Jobbik. They're not Nazis, at least Nazis put on the pretense of principle.
[QUOTE=Jame's;47978136]Comparing them to Nazi's is laughable seeing as they support the state of Israel. I don't align with them but I believe that's unfair to make such a claim.[/QUOTE] Zionism is a new thing for anti-semites. In Anders Breivek's manifesto, he blamed a lot of things in Europe on both the jews and muslims, but he also claimed to be a zionist because he would rather have a jewish state than another muslim state. Same as how the "Jewish lobby" in the United States is made up of christians. It's not because they like Jews, but because they hate muslims
[QUOTE=Jame's;47978136]Comparing them to Nazi's is laughable seeing as they support the state of Israel. I don't align with them but I believe that's unfair to make such a claim.[/QUOTE] Muslims are the new Jews.
They're still very far from literal nazis.
Is this an ironic party or something, anti-european union party in the European Union?
[QUOTE=Kljunas;47978244]They're still very far from literal nazis.[/QUOTE] No party is going to literally say 'Yup, we're the same as the Nazis'. That would be political suicide in all but the very worst of countries. Even the Golden Dawn wasn't like that. Just like neo-conservatism and neo-liberalism, fascism also has a different face nowadays. You can't get away with repeating the mistakes of the past in the exact same way, but it's not hard to spot the many, many similarities. [editline]16th June 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Sableye;47978729]Is this an ironic party or something, anti-european union party in the European Union?[/QUOTE] Most of UKIP's power comes from their dominance in the European Parliament. Most of them (including their leader) don't show up to debates or even most of the votes.
Surprised Headshotter hasn't come out of the woodworks to defend this stupidity again.
[QUOTE=Jame's;47978136]Comparing them to Nazi's is laughable seeing as they support the state of Israel. I don't align with them but I believe that's unfair to make such a claim.[/QUOTE] Israel are the new Nazis, so I don't see it as strange
[QUOTE=Sableye;47978729]Is this an ironic party or something, anti-european union party in the European Union?[/QUOTE] How else would you stand against EU ? Voting for an anti european party sends a message, which says that the way Europe is being done is not appreciated. Sure, the elected people don't show up to debates, don't vote against treaties, which makes this vote highly ineffective, but that's an other problem. Other ways to stand against EU would consist in planting bombs in various places like the european parliament, or staying at home doing nothing (maybe pray ?). I personnaly think the 'ironic' one is still the most effective.
simply being anti EU is ridiculous. being against the EU in it's [I]current state[/I] is what you need to be. not taking part in the system won't change the system or get that voice of reform heard at all.
[QUOTE=Antlerp;47978908]Israel are the new Nazis, so I don't see it as strange[/QUOTE] Please do go on
wanting to be isolationist in the face of a potentially great system is stupid. especially when the opportunity to aid and take part is right fuckin there
[QUOTE=.Lain;47978978]simply being anti EU is ridiculous. being against the EU in it's [I]current state[/I] is what you need to be. not taking part in the system won't change the system or get that voice of reform heard at all.[/QUOTE] That's also my point of view, but that wasn't the question.
i would have quoted you if i was answering your question mate
Since you rated me dumb, I assumed you were.
sorry for misleading you :smile:
[QUOTE=Vassago310;47978964]How else would you stand against EU ? Voting for an anti european party sends a message, which says that the way Europe is being done is not appreciated. Sure, the elected people don't show up to debates, don't vote against treaties, which makes this vote highly ineffective, but that's an other problem. Other ways to stand against EU would consist in planting bombs in various places like the european parliament, or staying at home doing nothing (maybe pray ?). I personnaly think the 'ironic' one is still the most effective.[/QUOTE] If you want your country to leave or dissociate itself from EU then do so by voting for an anti-EU politician on national level, as you want your national government to take your country out of EU, not to somehow sabotage the rest of EU. If you want EU to change in one way or another, don't vote for anti-EU politicians but politicians that come with ideas of how to change EU to the better. As much as I hate the British Tories government, they are an example of somewhat euro-skeptic political party that however doesn't pretend that if they throw tantrum, EU will just disappear, unlike for instance BNP. A self proclaimed anti-EU politician in EU parliament is like a strict anarchist in any other political democratic body - they are misplaced and their position doesn't make sense and doesn't help EU nor their own cause.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;47979070]If you want your country to leave or dissociate itself from EU then do so by voting for an anti-EU politician on national level, as you want your national government to take your country out of EU, not to somehow sabotage the rest of EU. If you want EU to change in one way or another, don't vote for anti-EU politicians but politicians that come with ideas of how to change EU to the better. As much as I hate the British Tories government, they are an example of somewhat euro-skeptic political party that however doesn't pretend that if they throw tantrum, EU will just disappear, unlike for instance BNP. A self proclaimed anti-EU politician in EU parliament is like a strict anarchist in any other political democratic body - they are misplaced and their position doesn't make sense and doesn't help EU nor their own cause.[/QUOTE] Voting on national level is also being done in France, as the FN made way better scores than before on every local elections for the past few years. On the EU level, I don't think France has a credible party that just wants to change EU. Or it is so small I never heard of it, which means it weights literally nothing in the parliament (not saying here I know every one of all the french parties, as I'd actually like to be wrong here). As I see it, we are to choose between 'this way, whether you like it or not' (cf referendum in 2005, which lead to an adoption anyway in 2007) or 'no EU at all'. I think anti EU politicians in EU parliament are meant be to oppose certain laws or treaties. They are not here to propose anything or to change the way EU is being done, they are just here to stop it. They should oppose everything that could harm the country's sovereignity and its political, military or financial independance, and maybe oppose other things seen as dangerous. That's not how things are going to change, and anyway, to do so, they should start by actually attending the sessions... I also think there are anti EU people that actually want EU gone for everyone, and not just independance for France. Maybe for these people, they can destroy EU from the inside by proposing and voting a dissolution treaty, contest already signed ones or something. It essentially was for them that I said voting for anti EU parties makes some sense. For other people, that just want to change Europe, it also makes sense, given that we have no known party that would like to just change Europe, and the pro ones showed they don't care about the opinion. I don't really know what is expected (if anything is) from anti EU politics besides the message that Europe goes the wrong way. Summary : this is useless, but other options seem to be worse
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