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The governor of California has raised the legal age to buy tobacco for smoking, dipping, chewing and vaping from 18 to 21.
Democratic Gov. Jerry Brown announced Wednesday he signed a bill calling for the change.
Supporters of the law aimed to deter adolescents from the harmful, sometimes fatal effects of nicotine addiction. The Institute of Medicine reports 90 per cent of daily smokers began using tobacco before turning 19.
Veterans organizations and Republican lawmakers in California objected to the bill, saying people old enough to die for their country are old enough to use tobacco.
Hawaii officials decided last April to become the first state in the nation to increase its legal smoking age to 21.
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Old enough to catch a bullet for old uncle sam but not old enough to smoke a cigarette? If you want to stop smoking, raise taxes on them.
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I should add that no grandfather clause has been added into the bill, meaning smokers aged 18-20 going to spend the next two years asking for someone to buy them cigarettes.
Won't change anything, just another feel good nothing bill. To no surprise at all, they learned nothing from the failure of DARE.
so fucking stupid
they can just by weed?
Congrats, you've directly stoked the fires of cigarette smugglers and gifting. GG.
as much as I hate cigarettes and want them to stop existing this is dumb as hell
lower the drinking age and keep the smoking age at 18.
you aren't going to fix anything by making it harder to access, or by even banning it. 12 year olds are going to smoke still, and 18 year olds now have to ask strange people to buy smokes for them, who are grown adults who are old enough to join the military. This doesn't magically make the issue go away. Lax laws regarding this stuff work because it doesn't strike the rebellious side of people and people can feel comfortable and be better informed about their decisions because money can instead be spent on educating them about it rather than arresting them because they wanted a smoke.
Same thing happened in Hawaii near the end of 2015. Can't say I've noticed any difference in the youth'smoking habits
[QUOTE=Axznma;50260938]Won't change anything, just another feel good nothing bill. To no surprise at all, they learned nothing from the failure of DARE.[/QUOTE]
They should focus on educating against it, but its shame that DARE is a giant JOKE and that'll only make them assume it wouldn't work if they tried it again
if they made a program that pretended to give a shit about the people they're educating and pretended to actually trust them as intellectuals by not outright lying to them, maybe it would have worked
misinformation only goes so far
This isn't gonna stop shit and I'm amazed it even got passed.
Because nobody under 18 can get smokes.
Old enough to goto war, not old enough to smoke or drink.
Gotta love it. Seriously though, this doesn't really surprise me considering how retarded California has been recently regarding almost anything tobacco related. For example, with ecigs, they went on a massive campaign trying to state that it's more harmful then doing fucking heroin.
Got em there!
[sp]cough[/sp]
I am glad that vaping is slowly taking over though.
I hate smoking and I hate inhaling secondhand smoke.
This is going to piss off alot of smokers
[QUOTE=The Aussie;50260920]Old enough to catch a bullet for old uncle sam but not old enough to smoke a cigarette? If you want to stop smoking, [B]raise taxes on them. [/B]
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I should add that no grandfather clause has been added into the bill, meaning smokers aged 18-20 going to spend the next two years asking for someone to buy them cigarettes.[/QUOTE]
Ask New York'rs how well that worked. It's over $10-11 a pack here and people still smoke [I]a lot[/I].
[QUOTE=TheMrFailz;50261546]Ask New York'rs how well that worked. It's over $10-11 a pack here and people still smoke [I]a lot[/I].[/QUOTE]
Works well in Australia where it's almost $30 for a pack of winnie blues
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;50261219]Old enough to goto war, not old enough to smoke or drink.
Gotta love it. Seriously though, this doesn't really surprise me considering how retarded California has been recently regarding almost anything tobacco related. For example, with ecigs, they went on a massive campaign trying to state that it's more harmful then doing fucking heroin.[/QUOTE]
Active Duty personnel from ages 18+ are exempt from the provisions of the bill.
[QUOTE=The Aussie;50260920]Old enough to catch a bullet for old uncle sam but not old enough to smoke a cigarette? If you want to stop smoking, raise taxes on them.[/QUOTE]
i wonder what you are going to say if the age to enlist is also raised to 21
then what
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;50261768]i wonder what you are going to say if the age to enlist is also raised to 21
then what[/QUOTE]
Like that will ever happen.
[QUOTE=The Aussie;50260920]Old enough to catch a bullet for old uncle sam but not old enough to smoke a cigarette? If you want to stop smoking, raise taxes on them.
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My grandfather chained smoked from the age of 15 all the way to the age of 70 until lung and liver disease killed him from endless smoking. Tax hikes meant nothing to him, he would bankrupt himself if needed to have his cigarettes.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;50261768]i wonder what you are going to say if the age to enlist is also raised to 21
then what[/QUOTE]
As if the US government would voluntarily give up their number one source of warm bodies to throw into the middle eastern meat grinder for the glory of the military industrial complex.
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[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50262215]My grandfather chained smoked from the age of 15 all the way to the age of 70 until lung and liver disease killed him from endless smoking. Tax hikes meant nothing to him, he would bankrupt himself if needed to have his cigarettes.[/QUOTE]
Smoking rates in Australia fell faster after the tax increases than before. Not every smoker is your grandfather.
[QUOTE=The Aussie;50262313]Smoking rates in Australia fell faster after the tax increases than before. Not every smoker is your grandfather.[/QUOTE]
No, but his grandfather was still a smoker, and you do need to take minority cases into account to some degree or another.
[QUOTE=The Aussie;50262313]As if the US government would voluntarily give up their number one source of warm bodies to throw into the middle eastern meat grinder for the glory of the military industrial complex.
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Smoking rates in Australia fell faster after the tax increases than before. Not every smoker is your grandfather.[/QUOTE]
Trust me, if you want a cigarette, you want a cigarette. A lot of people are [I]just[/I] like his grandfather. They're already expensive as hell and it surely is a reason to stop but it won't stop a majority
I think they should take the Aussie route of straight up printing horrific images of the results of smoking on the packages
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And we need to find a way to reverse this whole "It won't happen to me" mentality. Start showing kids videos of bronchoscopies of smokers and show them what this shit really does to you
Nah that shit doesn't work. Most people find 'em funny.
Still, the stats don't lie, and anecdotal evidence means shit.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;50261768]i wonder what you are going to say if the age to enlist is also raised to 21
then what[/QUOTE]
i'd say that's fucking retarded because at 18 you're a legal adult.
I'm 23 so fuck those kids
California never ceases to amaze me of the massive amount of stupid shit they pass.
[QUOTE=bdd458;50262544]i'd say that's fucking retarded because at 18 you're a legal adult.[/QUOTE]
ok and what if the legal adult age is raised to 25 to coincide with statistical drop in car accidents and maturity in brain development?
Raising taxes on cigarettes is a terrible idea. Smokers tend to be lower income, so that'd just be fucking them over even more.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;50263000]ok and what if the legal adult age is raised to 25 to coincide with statistical drop in car accidents and maturity in brain development?[/QUOTE]
I would think that would be even more retarded, unless you feel like restructuring our entire society which is built on adulthood being at 18. And that's such a long time, 25. That's way too long.
not to mention it has nothing to do with the current double standard like Zukurichen stated.
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