Study: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues
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[URL="http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/1113413810/spanking-defiance-health-discipline-042616/"]SOURCE[/URL]
[URL="http://news.utexas.edu/2016/04/25/risks-of-harm-from-spanking-confirmed-by-researchers"]2ND SOURCE[/URL]
[QUOTE] If you think that the answer to an unruly child is a good spanking, think again, say researchers from the Universities of [U][B][URL="http://www.utexas.edu/"]Texas[/URL][/B][/U] and[U][B][URL="http://umich.edu/"]Michigan[/URL][/B][/U], who after extensive analysis found that this form of punishment only makes youngsters more likely to be defiant and aggressive.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE] Their study, which was published in the April edition of the [U][B][URL="http://psycnet.apa.org/?&fa=main.doiLanding&doi=10.1037/fam0000191"][I]Journal of Family Psychology[/I][/URL][/B][/U], was based on five decades worth of research involving more than 160,000 children. They are calling it the most extensive scientific investigations into the spanking issue, and one of the few to look specifically at spanking rather than grouping it with other forms of physical discipline.[/QUOTE]
I say no shit sherlock.
I assumed this was obvious.
[QUOTE=Pascall;50207541]I assumed this was obvious.[/QUOTE]
Same, but spanking is one of those issues where people love to use anecdotes versus half a century of research while ignoring their survivorship bias.
[QUOTE=Pascall;50207541]I assumed this was obvious.[/QUOTE]
You'd think so but my dad always threatened it like it would work, even long after my brother and I were far past the point of it doing anything
Not saying he threatened to beat us, just he always stubbornly clung to the physical slap thing like that for some reason
Duh. I remember the kids growing up that were spanked were always the ones in trouble.
"Spanking never hurt anyone."
Yes. Yes it did, and we've the proof for that.
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[QUOTE=axelord157;50207584]Same, but spanking is one of those issues where people love to use anecdotes versus half a century of research while ignoring their survivorship bias.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=agentfazexx;50207601]Duh. I remember the kids growing up that were spanked were always the ones in trouble.[/QUOTE]
Well lookie here.
It isn't "obviously wrong." Most of the time children don't understand the meaning behind a lecture as a remedy for something they did that was wrong. It's unfortunate that inflicting pain was the go-to for such a long time, but it has the essence of learning respect through fear. It's a shoddy method at best, but if you can't see why it was enacted throughout history as a guess at parenting, then you're just dumb.
I misunderstood the title and thought it said spanking helped against mental issues, and everyone was agreeing with it; my head is spinning right now.
[QUOTE=nickohlus;50207857]Well lookie here.
It isn't "obviously wrong." Most of the time children don't understand the meaning behind a lecture as a remedy for something they did that was wrong. It's unfortunate that inflicting pain was the go-to for such a long time, but it has the essence of learning respect through fear. It's a shoddy method at best, but if you can't see why it was enacted throughout history as a guess at parenting, then you're just dumb.[/QUOTE]
My two year old daughter is literally an angel and I have never laid a hand on her, and I was never hit, and my sister was never hit.
Hitting doesn't solve shit.
I assume spanking is correlated with lots of other negative things in a household based on personal experience (like verbal abuse, for example). The summary in these articles doesn't seem to show that they took this into account and I can't check because the study costs money to read. It really is too bad when they hide the actual study behind a paywall. It makes the study essentially useless for the public.
As far as I can tell they did a simple correlation, which as you all know, would be totally useless.
I'm not so sure about this. Correlation is not causation. Maybe it's just that the people who tend to spank more often are people with mental health problems, and so they pass these genes to their children.
I was spanked as a child and now I want to vote for trump
[QUOTE=Pascall;50207541]I assumed this was obvious.[/QUOTE]
A lot of people don't know any better, and what doesn't help is when people condescend to those people.
[QUOTE=sgman91;50209241]I assume spanking is correlated with lots of other negative things in a household based on personal experience (like verbal abuse, for example). The summary in these articles doesn't seem to show that they took this into account and I can't check because the study costs money to read. It really is too bad when they hide the actual study behind a paywall. It makes the study essentially useless for the public.
As far as I can tell they did a simple correlation, which as you all know, would be totally useless.[/QUOTE]
They did a meta-analysis of 110 studies, this was not a simple correlation study and I don't know what makes you think that. The summary is pretty straight forward about it.
[QUOTE=Pascall;50207541]I assumed this was obvious.[/QUOTE]
not if you live in the southern U.S. just about every other guy in my class has some sort of story about when they were beaten as a child, a couple of them even have stories about how the principal paddled them (which they acted all macho and said didn't hurt). shit, my parents occasionally threaten to beat me and i'm 18. the attitude in the south in general is very much behind on this issue.
[QUOTE=The Saiko;50209583]They did a meta-analysis of 110 studies, this was not a simple correlation study and I don't know what makes you think that.[/QUOTE]
The study abstract makes me think that because the only thing they say is that spanking correlates with 13 of the 17 outcomes. I don't know why everyone doesn't have extreme scepticism when it comes to the initial claims of studies without looking at the actual methodology. There are so many examples of terrible conclusions from seemingly prestigious studies.
I got spanked as a kid and it always put me in my place. Nothing's wrong with me later on in life.
I thought this would be obvious but to some it's not. They cling quite hard to ~tradition~. Usually when one gets into an argument with these kind of people they usually respond with some variant of the following: "I got slapped/spanked as a child and I turned out okay!", "Kids today have it so easy! All they get is a scolding! Back in my day parents knew how to discipline their children if they ever got out of line!", "It's the only the way the little brats will learn respect!", etc. you get my point.
[QUOTE=sgman91;50209597]The study abstract makes me think that because the only thing they say is that spanking correlates with 13 of the 17 outcomes. I don't know why everyone doesn't have extreme scepticism when it comes to the initial claims of studies without looking at the actual methodology. There are so many examples of terrible conclusions from seemingly prestigious studies.[/QUOTE]
I'm on your boat about being sceptic about studies and the way they are conducted. But these results are nothing new at all. There's nothing to gain by faking this study because it doesn't reveal anything, it just further enhances the base of knowledge.
[QUOTE=The Saiko;50209639]I'm on your boat about being sceptic about studies and the way they are conducted. But these results are nothing new at all. There's nothing to gain by faking this study because it doesn't reveal anything, it just further enhances the base of knowledge.[/QUOTE]
It furthers an ideological belief, probably the single biggest reason for bad studies. Note that I'm not even saying that they faked it. It's very possible that they didn't use the rigour necessary because they so wanted to get the results that they wanted.
Also, it's not nearly as clear as you're making it seem. There are studies that show both sides of the issue.
[editline]26th April 2016[/editline]
Also remember that the quality of a meta-analysis is totally dependant on the quality of the studies being used. Without seeing that list it's impossible to know.
Yeah I don't at all agree with their conclusion. I took from this that "spanking" didn't lead to more unruly children, on the contrary I think this shows it's clearly ineffective in curbing their already troublesome behavior.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50210093]Yeah I don't at all agree with their conclusion. I took from this that "spanking" didn't lead to more unruly children, on the contrary I think this shows it's clearly ineffective in curbing their already troublesome behavior.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure they'll take your opinion into careful consideration and weigh it equally with their body of academic knowledge they've spent their careers accumulating.
[QUOTE=Dolton;50210237]I'm sure they'll take your opinion into careful consideration and weigh it equally with their body of academic knowledge they've spent their careers accumulating.[/QUOTE]
Got to love that appeal to authority.
[QUOTE=Dolton;50210237]I'm sure they'll take your opinion into careful consideration and weigh it equally with their body of academic knowledge they've spent their careers accumulating.[/QUOTE]Who's "they" exactly? Facepunch?
I'm sure I won't give a fuck when they do all of that because Facepunch is primarily inhabited by people younger than me who, by virtue of being "not old," will not have careers full of academic knowledge.
[editline]god damn it legendnikko with your kawaii avatar[/editline]
Even if they did my earlier statement remains: I don't give a fuck. Oh, and just for you I'll add a little footnote onto that: If "they" want to dispute my assertion then "they" can speak for "theyselves."
[QUOTE=Pascall;50207541]I assumed this was obvious.[/QUOTE]
No, because people say so forcefully "but its spanking, not hitting or beating! Totally different!"
[QUOTE=LegndNikko;50210268]No, because people say so forcefully "but its spanking, not hitting or beating! Totally different!"[/QUOTE]You're describing differences in severity according to colloquial definition though, and in that case no it wouldn't be so obvious. Asserting that beating a child until they're raw is the same as "a paddlin'" probably isn't going to be very convincing either: people will likely disregard you as some dingbat quack.
[QUOTE=nickohlus;50207857]Well lookie here.
It isn't "obviously wrong." Most of the time children don't understand the meaning behind a lecture as a remedy for something they did that was wrong. It's unfortunate that inflicting pain was the go-to for such a long time, but it has the essence of learning respect through fear. It's a shoddy method at best, but if you can't see why it was enacted throughout history as a guess at parenting, then you're just dumb.[/QUOTE]
Because it's easy, and got the short-term solution. Child is constantly demanding? You can explain to them why they can't do that in a way they'd understand or distract them from their demands, [I]or[/I] you can beat them, and scare them into shutting up, lest they get hurt. It's obvious why it was done, because it gave a result, right as you did it.
Now, though, in 2016, we [I]know[/I] better. At least, should. We should know that it's worth the effort to solve your issues with your kid without resorting to hurting them. The biggest issue right now is, like I said, people still mentally categorize spanking differently from hitting them, as well as no one would ever want to admit that they're doing something outright wrong in their parenting.
[editline]27th April 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50210269]You're describing differences in severity according to colloquial definition though, and in that case no it wouldn't be so obvious. Asserting that beating a child until they're raw is the same as "a paddlin'" probably isn't going to be very convincing either: people will likely disregard you as some dingbat quack.[/QUOTE]
Bottom line, people refuse to see it at just generally "intentionally causing harm/hurting to a child."
[QUOTE=LegndNikko;50210290]Bottom line, people refuse to see it at just generally "intentionally causing harm/hurting to a child."[/QUOTE]Yes and going "well it's all the same!" will provoke somebody who is A: a parent already on the defensive and B: holds traditionalist views to imagine you're comparing them with somebody who beats their children to a bloody pulp. As I said, you're automatically dismissed and no matter how eloquent your argument is you've fucked yourself right out of the gate.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;50209454]I was spanked as a child and now I want to vote for trump[/QUOTE]
you where raised as a monster
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