• #Occupy Wall Street - May Day
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[B]#OccupyWallStreet - May Day[/B] [IMG]http://i46.tinypic.com/zlzosh.jpg[/IMG] [quote] [B]FAQ[/B] [I]What is Occupy Wall Street?[/I] Occupy Wall Street is part of an international people’s movement fighting for economic justice in the face of rampant criminality on Wall Street and a government controlled by monied interests. #OWS is the 99% trying to wrestle control of its government out the hands of the 1%. Occupy Wall Street is a people’s movement. It is leaderless and party-less by design. It is not a business, a political party, an advertising campaign or a brand. It is not for sale. [I]What are you protesting?[/I] We are opposing all forms of injustice and oppression, especially those stemming from Wall Street’s crimes and abuse of control. Economic exploitation and injustice has many faces, therefore we tackle many issues. Yet, we are not merely a protest movement. We communicate not just outrage, but a full-on call to action. Get your city to transfer its money out of corrupting banks. Sing at the auctioneer until they cancel the illegal foreclosures. Join groups writing letters to the SEC exposing the Corporations’ lies they use to beg for mercy for their crimes. Teach shareholders the power of shareholder activism. Don't just protest. Take action. Direct action. [I]What are your goals and demands?[/I] We do not have one or two simple demands, though many demand them of us. Why? Because we believe that making demands of a corrupt system makes our success contingent on the will of others. It legitimizes the corrupted, it disempowers us. Our actions are our demands. What is your demand? What are you doing about it? [I]How do I get involved?[/I] First, you should know that you don’t need anyone’s permission to be a part of Occupy. You don’t even need to be in New York to be involved with OWS. If you are committed to justice, equality, and liberation for all people (see our principles for reference) and you have an idea for an Occupy action or group you are empowered to start it. If you want to plug into existing Occupy networks check out [URL="http://www.occupytogether.org"]www.occupytogether.org[/URL] and [URL="http://www.interoccupy.org"]www.interoccupy.org[/URL]. [/quote] Links: • [URL="http://www.occupywallstreet.net/"]Official website[/URL] • [URL="http://www.occupywallst.org/"]Unofficial blog[/URL] • [URL="http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/"]We Are the 99%[/URL]
Here we go again.
Wrong forum, since this isn't really news but information. It'd probably do better in General Discussion. And yes, for those who love coming in to these threads just to ask, the Occupy Movement is still going. Just because they stopped appearing on the news does not mean they stopped protesting.
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[QUOTE] Don't just protest. Take action. Direct action.[/QUOTE]Don't protest! Take direct action! Just don't do anything bad or damaging, just take a seat.
Right now the Dutch #Occupy people are just a bunch of people without any aim or goal, sitting in tents in assorted locations around the country reaching nothing but wasting everyone's time.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;35763271]Wrong forum, since this isn't really news but information. It'd probably do better in General Discussion. And yes, for those who love coming in to these threads just to ask, the Occupy Movement is still going. Just because they stopped appearing on the news does not mean they stopped protesting.[/QUOTE] I'd like for this thread to be used for news from the ground and press during May Day. I just put some general information in here.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;35763289]I'd like for this thread to be used for news from the ground and press during May Day. I just put some general information in here.[/QUOTE]Ehh, sounds a bit too much like a Megathread. Garry doesn't like those in Sensationalist Headlines.
Reading the "What is our demands part" makes me feel like this pretty much an empty shell. People gather around nothingness. I totally agree with the fact this system is witty and corrupt, but sitting around not proposing any solution won't really help anything.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;35763301]Ehh, sounds a bit too much like a Megathread. Garry doesn't like those in Sensationalist Headlines.[/QUOTE] There's going to be a lot of information coming in fast and from different places, it'd be better this way rather than clog up the forum.
[QUOTE=-Get_A_Life-;35763306]Reading the "What is our demands part" makes me feel like this pretty much an empty shell. People gather around nothingness. I totally agree with the fact this system if witty and corrupt, but sitting around not proposing any solution won't really help anything.[/QUOTE]Protesting is about raising attention to an issue and calling for the people who can fix it to do so. They are not politicians or congressmen, they're just people tired of the system being broken.
[quote]Our actions are our demands.[/quote] That's a sound quote to make when all your movement literally does is sit and camp in one place doing nothing. [QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;35763323]Protesting is about raising attention to an issue and calling for the people who can fix it to do so. They are not politicians or congressmen, they're just people tired of the system being broken.[/QUOTE] Then make actual demands. Sitting there and going 'we want change' when you don't specify WHAT change doesn't help a damn thing.
[QUOTE=-Get_A_Life-;35763306]Reading the "What is our demands part" makes me feel like this pretty much an empty shell. People gather around nothingness. I totally agree with the fact this system is witty and corrupt, but sitting around not proposing any solution won't really help anything.[/QUOTE] Formulating a clear list of demands implies that the system is legitimate. If we did so, they would not work with us, anyway. Did the students of Paris in '68 have a clear list of demands, or the workers of Petrograd in 1917?
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;35763329]Then make actual demands. Sitting there and going 'we want change' when you don't specify WHAT change doesn't help a damn thing.[/QUOTE]They have done so in the past, several times in fact.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;35763329]That's a sound quote to make when all your movement literally does is sit and camp in one place doing nothing.[/QUOTE] The Occupy movements direct actions have given people back their homes that were being foreclosed on, supported workers struggles (like the port shutdown in December that basically won the longshoremen their struggle) and brought attention to the serious problems facing our country.
Why don't we get a real riot going? Actually disrupt the system, like a real protest?
I thought the occupy movement was dead.
[QUOTE=zombojoe;35763365]Why don't we get a real riot going? Actually disrupt the system, like a real protest?[/QUOTE] Petty vandalism does nothing but cause a massive PR disaster. Not to say I have sympathy with the targets of anarchic riots - banks, corporate property, etc., but it does more harm than good.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;35763323]Protesting is about raising attention to an issue and calling for the people who can fix it to do so. They are not politicians or congressmen, they're just people tired of the system being broken.[/QUOTE] Pretty much everyone who has to deal with problems such as simply feeding your family or paying your rent at the end of the month while they hear news of banks being helped by the government, with millions of dollars, know there's something wrong. We got the message, politicians got the message (not sure if they're willing to find solutions anyway), and those who didn't get it eventually (for sure) will soon enough. I'm pretty sure some members of OWS have ideas, what we need is to hear and discuss them, not another reminder of how shit is currently hitting the fan.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;35763360]The Occupy movements direct actions have given people back their homes that were being foreclosed on, supported workers struggles (like the port shutdown in December that basically won the longshoremen their struggle) and brought attention to the serious problems facing our country.[/QUOTE]They've actually changed the discussion of these kinds of issues on the national level and helped to expose some of the more underhanded practices of these corporations. [editline]29th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=zombojoe;35763365]Why don't we get a real riot going? Actually disrupt the system, like a real protest?[/QUOTE]They want to avoid violence at any cost. If they start acting violent, it gives something for the media and politicians to point at and use to delegitimize the movement to nothing more than thugs and looters.
Happy International Worker's Day, Occupy. Viva la revolution
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;35763271]Wrong forum, since this isn't really news but information. It'd probably do better in General Discussion. And yes, for those who love coming in to these threads just to ask, the Occupy Movement is still going. Just because they stopped appearing on the news does not mean they stopped protesting.[/QUOTE] Does news not [b]inform[/b] you of events that have happened? [b]inform[/b]ation
Guys, if you're interested, Tom Morello, Ben Harper, Immortal Technique among others will be playing at OWS on May Day. [IMG]https://p.twimg.com/ArlQ-J1CQAAwLig.jpg:large[/IMG]
[QUOTE=The First 11'er;35763456]Does news not [b]inform[/b] you of events that have happened? [b]inform[/b]ation[/QUOTE]Yeah, but there is a difference between general information and an actual news article.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;35763397]They want to avoid violence at any cost. If they start acting violent, it gives something for the media and politicians to point at and use to delegitimize the movement to nothing more than thugs and looters.[/QUOTE] On the other hand, as long as you don't try and interfere with the system, nothing is going to change. Prooboo quoted Mai 68, which is a fine example of how things work if you want something done. The whole country was like frozen, thousands of francs (french money back in the days) of loss every single day for both the gov and the corporations affected by the nation-wide strike. Riots were violent in the "quartier latin" of Paris where students would throw rocks at the cops. This is sadly the only way you force people who have the power to change stuff to actually do something, by threatening their power. I seriously doubt sitting around will change anything.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;35763501]Yeah, but there is a difference between general information and an actual news article.[/QUOTE] [quote] Occupy Wall Street is gearing up for a massive day of protests, rallies and marches on May 1. The anti-capitalist movement will hold events in 125 cities and plans to protest 99 targets in midtown Manhattan including the offices of JPMorgan Chase & Co. and Bank of America. In San Francisco, plans include efforts to shut down the Golden Gate Bridge. A full listing of events include direct actions centered around Union Square in New York and musical performances by Das Racist, Dan Deacon and Tom Morello from Rage Against the Machine. Bloomberg News reported the world’s biggest banks are working with one another and the New York Police Department (NYPD) to share information about the protests, according to industry security consultants. That is just the type of alliance the Occupy movement has criticized in the past, arguing the banks are powerful entities that put their own self interests and profits ahead of everyday citizens. More from GlobalPost: Occupy Wall Street running low on cash According to the Occupy Wall Street website while the media has focused on the presidential election, the group "has been organizing something extraordinary: the first truly nationwide General Strike in US history" on May Day, also known as, International Workers' Day. The Occupy movement is calling for protesters to boycott work, school, banking, housework and shopping calling it "a day without the 99%." [URL="http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/americas/united-states/120429/occupy-may-day"]Global Post[/URL] [/quote]
My one demand is funding for a ambitious space program.
[QUOTE=Pepsi-cola;35763560]My one demand is funding for a ambitious space program.[/QUOTE] To Alpha Centauri. Refuse to compromise on anything less.
Yeah, go do "99%" stuff all you want, but do me a favor and don't bunch me in with you.
I can't exactly afford to strike, luckily I wasn't scheduled on May Day. I support the strike in its entirety, because, after all, it's May Day- but I won't be participating. I put off my membership with the IWW just to avoid having to do this strike. I do support OWS and I support their messages and goals. The goal of a general strike is economic sabotage, secondarily, but more importantly it's a show that the people as a whole can make an impact on those in power and those in economic control. It's less about tangible results as it is about the message. Only problem is it won't work without full support.
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