• Oklahoma Court orders the removal of Ten Commandments monument
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[url=http://newsok.com/ten-commandments-monument-must-be-removed-from-grounds-of-state-capitol/article/5430792]From NewsOK - Ten Commandments monument must be removed from grounds of state Capitol, the Oklahoma Supreme Court ruled Tuesday[/url] (note: autoplaying video) [quote]The Ten Commandments monument must be removed from the grounds of the state Capitol, the Oklahoma Supreme Court ruled Tuesday. In a 7-2 opinion the Supreme Court found the placement of the monument on the grounds of the state Capitol violate Article 2, Section 5, of the Oklahoma Constitution which prohibits the use of public money or property to directly or indirectly benefit a “church denomination or system of religion.” The ruling overturned a decision by Oklahoma County District Judge Thomas Prince. In its ruling the Supreme Court cited a clause in the Oklahoma Constitution that states: "No public money or property shall ever be appropriated, applied, donated, or used, directly or indirectly, for the use, benefit, or support of any sect, church, denomination, or system of religion, or for the use, benefit, or support of any priest, preacher, minister, or other religious teacher or dignitary, or sectarian institution as such."[/quote] And yes, this IS the one that the Satanic Temple was protesting by preparing [url=http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/oklahomas-satanic-statue-is-coming-along-nicely]a statue of Baphomet[/url] to install next to it. I guess we won't be seeing it go up after all...
That is a bitching fucking statue and I want a little replica on my desk. e: Maybe without the kids though, they're creepy. [img]http://i.imgur.com/ybxbt1O.jpg[/img]
Can't wait to see more of the Christian persecution complex.
omg obongo is the antichrist I knew it!!!1
[QUOTE=ijyt;48089414]That is a bitching fucking statue and I want a little replica on my desk. e: Maybe without the kids though, they're creepy. [img]http://i.imgur.com/ybxbt1O.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Would make a rad halloween decoration, since it's all kinds of creepy and intimidating.
first my flags, then my marriage and now my statues surely these are the end days
As long as they are consistent about this ruling for everyone, this sounds good to me.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;48089515]As long as they are consistent about this ruling for everyone, this sounds good to me.[/QUOTE] Opposed to what? Letting Sharia Law go unchecked? Christianity is not the one being "singled" in USA in anything other than implicit governmental endorsement.
[QUOTE=Ehmmett;48089481][URL="http://www.amazon.com/Finished-Baphomet-Satanism-Sabbatic-Sculpture/dp/B00IT3ZWLM"]You're in luck, though he does look a little lean-y[/URL][/QUOTE] and has tits
[QUOTE=Ehmmett;48089553]It's supposed to. I dunno Templars were weird dudes I guess.[/QUOTE] Learn something new every day. Guess I should brush up on my satanic deities.
[QUOTE=Ehmmett;48089553]It's supposed to. I dunno Templars were weird dudes I guess.[/QUOTE] Wasn't it that Baphomet was mainly a figment and the actual thing was that they were accused of worshipping Mahomet (Mohammad)? I could just be going crazy or it could've been something I came across randomly and that actually was complete BS. I don't recall right.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;48089515]As long as they are consistent about this ruling for everyone, this sounds good to me.[/QUOTE] It's automatically a consistent decision. No religion is going to be allowed to put a monument up there, which is why the Satanic Temple isn't going to.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;48089545]Opposed to what? Letting Sharia Law go unchecked? Christianity is not the one being "singled" in USA in anything other than implicit governmental endorsement.[/QUOTE] As opposed to not being consistent? We shouldn't see a nativity scene there either, or a star of David, or a satanic statue.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;48089673]As opposed to not being consistent? We shouldn't see a nativity scene there either, or a star of David, or a satanic statue.[/QUOTE] We would've seen a devil statue. It's sad in a way.
Yet another casualty in the war on religion #ThanksObama #GodlessPresident #MuslumAgenda
This is fucking stupid, why do people focus on removing religious articles if they have no purpose or effect, other then reminding the old people in that town about their all American God fearing childhood. Now they get to die thinking about how everything has to be "acceptable in society" even if that includes removing a statue which holds a lot of nostalgic value in their hearts. Good job you miserable bastards, making old people feel all regulated.
[QUOTE=Blue Meanie;48090129]This is fucking stupid, why do people focus on removing religious articles if they have no purpose or effect, other then reminding the old people in that town about their all American God fearing childhood. Now they get to die thinking about how everything has to be "acceptable in society" even if that includes removing a statue which holds a lot of nostalgic value in their hearts. Good job you miserable bastards, making old people feel all regulated.[/QUOTE] ...because "No public money or property shall ever be appropriated, applied, donated, or used, directly or indirectly, for the use, benefit, or support of any sect, church, denomination, or system of religion, or for the use, benefit, or support of any priest, preacher, minister, or other religious teacher or dignitary, or sectarian institution as such." It's right there.
Thanks Obama
I found the actual replica they are selling on their website for funding: [url]http://shopsatan.com/collections/frontpage/products/bust-of-baphomet-miniature-replica[/url] [img]http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0428/0465/products/BaphoSmallFront_1024x1024.jpg?v=1420784179[/img]
[QUOTE=waxrock;48090147]...because "No public money or property shall ever be appropriated, applied, donated, or used, directly or indirectly, for the use, benefit, or support of any sect, church, denomination, or system of religion, or for the use, benefit, or support of any priest, preacher, minister, or other religious teacher or dignitary, or sectarian institution as such." It's right there.[/QUOTE] Something being related to religion is not equivalent to being used in benefit or support of that religion. The 10 commandments statue is a reminder of the historical significance of religion in the founding of the country and the call of our founding documents for equal rights as given by the divine. That simple fact doesn't mean that the government is supporting Christianity as the truth. To deny the historical significance of the Judeo-Christian heritage in the western legal system would just be ignorant.
[QUOTE=Blue Meanie;48090129]This is fucking stupid, why do people focus on removing religious articles if they have no purpose or effect, other then reminding the old people in that town about their all American God fearing childhood. Now they get to die thinking about how everything has to be "acceptable in society" even if that includes removing a statue which holds a lot of nostalgic value in their hearts. Good job you miserable bastards, making old people feel all regulated.[/QUOTE] Of the ten commandments, it's only illegal to break two of them. A courthouse is not the place for a list of rules that are 80% irrelevant.
[QUOTE=sgman91;48090857]Something being related to religion is not equivalent to being used in benefit or support of that religion. The 10 commandments statue is a reminder of the historical significance of religion in the founding of the country and the call of our founding documents for equal rights as given by the divine. That simple fact doesn't mean that the government is supporting Christianity as the truth. To deny the historical significance of the Judeo-Christian heritage in the western legal system would just be ignorant.[/QUOTE] It only says divine because previous to the American Revolution, all "rights" we're granted by the king. Jefferson, a diest on his death bed and before, wrote that word to signify that the rights are innate. He did not use that word so that some few hundred years later people like you could say it was religious. There's few people more versed in Jefferson and constitutional thought that Christopher Hitchens and he would vehemently disagree with the assertion divine has anything to do with the Christian God.
[QUOTE=Ehmmett;48089553]It's supposed to. I dunno Templars were weird dudes I guess.[/QUOTE] Brother... that metal armor must be [I]sooooo[/I] hot...
Also, the Ten Commandments are not the basis for western morality. 2, maybe 3 of them at most, are important. And those 3? Those came from Babylon, not Moses.
[QUOTE=Blue Meanie;48090129]This is fucking stupid, why do people focus on removing religious articles if they have no purpose or effect, other then reminding the old people in that town about their all American God fearing childhood. Now they get to die thinking about how everything has to be "acceptable in society" even if that includes removing a statue which holds a lot of nostalgic value in their hearts. Good job you miserable bastards, making old people feel all regulated.[/QUOTE] This is so like you were juicing a stone for something about this to piss you off how do people get this kind of shit "thanks for putting up that blimp assholes, I'm sure it'll block the sun sometimes and the people who live there's cats won't be able to rest in the sun!!"
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48091006]It only says divine because previous to the American Revolution, all "rights" we're granted by the king. Jefferson, a diest on his death bed and before, wrote that word to signify that the rights are innate. He did not use that word so that some few hundred years later people like you could say it was religious. There's few people more versed in Jefferson and constitutional thought that Christopher Hitchens and he would vehemently disagree with the assertion divine has anything to do with the Christian God.[/QUOTE] We can quote back and forth forever, but it's an indisputable fact that the vast majority of founders were Christian, and that even the so called 'deists' had respect for, and wanted followed, the general Christian ethic. Also note that Jefferson cared so deeply about the Christian ethics that he went to the trouble of making his own Bible titled "[I]The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth[/I]." You don't put that much work into something if you don't highly respect it. If we're going to say that any depiction of religion is illegal, then we should start tearing down essentially every single national monument in the country. They, almost without exception, have some image of Christianity or some Bible verse inscribed into them.
[QUOTE=sgman91;48091201]We can quote back and forth forever, but it's an indisputable fact that the vast majority of founders were Christian, and that even the so called 'deists' had respect for, and wanted followed, the general Christian ethic. Also note that Jefferson cared so deeply about the Christian ethics that he went to the trouble of making his own Bible titled "[I]The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth[/I]." You don't put that much work into something if you don't highly respect it. If we're going to say that any depiction of religion is illegal, then we should start tearing down essentially every single national monument in the country. They, almost without exception, have some image of Christianity or some Bible verse inscribed into them.[/QUOTE] Yes, the founding fathers wanted a Christian nation sooo desperately that they did everything they could to prevent us from ever having one, good job.
[QUOTE=sgman91;48091201]We can quote back and forth forever, but it's an indisputable fact that the vast majority of founders were Christian, and that even the so called 'deists' had respect for, and wanted followed, the general Christian ethic. Also note that Jefferson cared so deeply about the Christian ethics that he went to the trouble of making his own Bible titled "[I]The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth[/I]." You don't put that much work into something if you don't highly respect it. If we're going to say that any depiction of religion is illegal, then we should start tearing down essentially every single national monument in the country. They, almost without exception, have some image of Christianity or some Bible verse inscribed into them.[/QUOTE] I think it's pretty clear, by the words used, by the laws it establishes, that it is not in fact christian values it cares about, just values that used christian values as a foundation. It's sad, to me, that the core tenants of humanity have been long claimed by christianity and catholocism and religion in general, even though it's not at all required for those things to come to fruition. The code of hammurabi predates all biblical rules, and is believed by more learned men than either of us, to be the foundation of modern morality, having been adopted by the christians in the form of the ten commandments and used elsewhere in the biblical world. His book, his bible, also strips Jesus of any god hood he may have had, and leaves Jesus as but a man, purely a man, not even the son of god. His bible, turns Jesus into a man, and wipes away his miracles. His bible, that you're using to define him as a christian(Even against his own words) was clearly a criticism OF the bible from his position.
[QUOTE=Ehmmett;48089481][URL="http://www.amazon.com/Finished-Baphomet-Satanism-Sabbatic-Sculpture/dp/B00IT3ZWLM"]You're in luck, though he does look a little lean-y[/URL][/QUOTE] [img]http://i.imgur.com/YeE9vK2.png[/img] fuck
i want that baphomet statue
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