• New EU-US crackdown on child porn
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[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20607468#sa-ns_mchannel=rss&ns_source=PublicRSS20-sa[/url]
Good.
[quote]Studies cited by the EU Commission say at least one million child pornography images are now on the internet and about 50,000 more are added annually.[/quote] this is actually lower than I would've thought.
They should look into the TOR sites... Those would probably be the worst out there, yet it's completely anonymous.
[QUOTE=Woovie;38714366]They should look into the TOR sites... Those would probably be the worst out there, yet it's completely anonymous.[/QUOTE] I'd guess (not having experience) that the answer to both of those would be no. The worst are probably using more secure technology than TOR? (Private tracker torrets? Not sure.) Secondly, TOR is no-where near completely anonymous.
This not a bit too many resources to use on such a soft issue?
[QUOTE=SataniX;38714487]I'd guess (not having experience) that the answer to both of those would be no. The worst are probably using more secure technology than TOR? (Private tracker torrets? Not sure.) Secondly, TOR is no-where near completely anonymous.[/QUOTE] You don't know how tor works do you, it loads a website using multiple connections, encrypts them, sends each bit of data over different paths to an exit node, where it is joined, and then the final bit of encrypted data is sent to your PC where it is decrypted
[QUOTE=Corewarp3;38714548]This not a bit too many resources to use on such a soft issue?[/QUOTE] Soft issue? You realize that this isn't just about the images, right? It's about the children behind the images and stopping their abuse. Where do you think those 50,000 new annual images are coming from?
[QUOTE=Shugo;38715593]Soft issue? You realize that this isn't just about the images, right? It's about the children behind the images and stopping their abuse. Where do you think those 50,000 new annual images are coming from?[/QUOTE] I agree but making it harder to "publish" the images doesn't stop the abuse behind it.
How would international cooperation in the fight against child pornography work if there are different laws regarding child pornography in the countries involved, Japan for example has an age of consent of 12 (in some prefectures it's higher) and has no law against possession of child pornography and the production of lolicon and shotacon is legal in Japan; whereas the age of consent is as High as 18 in some states of America, possession of child pornography is illegal and lolicon and shotacon are illegal in other nations involved like Britain. Would they prosecute based on the laws of their home nation? if so how would that be different form the current system?
[QUOTE=viperfan7;38715549]You don't know how tor works do you, it loads a website using multiple connections, encrypts them, sends each bit of data over different paths to an exit node, where it is joined, and then the final bit of encrypted data is sent to your PC where it is decrypted[/QUOTE] TOR isn't super secure, you know.
[QUOTE=Aidan_088;38717658]How would international cooperation in the fight against child pornography work if there are different laws regarding child pornography in the countries involved, Japan for example has an age of consent of 12 (in some prefectures it's higher) and has no law against possession of child pornography and the production of lolicon and shotacon is legal in Japan; whereas the age of consent is as High as 18 in some states of America, possession of child pornography is illegal and lolicon and shotacon are illegal in other nations involved like Britain. Would they prosecute based on the laws of their home nation? if so how would that be different form the current system?[/QUOTE] I think violators would be prosecuted in whatever country they are residing in at the moment.
[QUOTE=Aidan_088;38717658]Japan for example has an age of consent of 12 (in some prefectures it's higher) and has no law against possession of child pornography [/QUOTE] Pretty sure this hasn't been true since the 90's or so and that the UN has made resolutions about this sort of thing since then
[QUOTE=BlkDucky;38717425]I agree but making it harder to "publish" the images doesn't stop the abuse behind it.[/QUOTE] Yes it does.
[QUOTE=Mike42012;38721856]Yes it does.[/QUOTE] The act of publishing and sharing child abuse is a completely different matter to actually abuse a child. A child molester will molest a child for his or her own sexual gratification regardless of whether or not he/she can record the event and share or trade it with others. Making it harder to publish images online will not have any effect on the abuse of children because children aren't raped for the sake of making child porn. Children are being raped for the sake of raping children, and then they want to share, trade or sell such images or videos with others as well so that others can enjoy what they enjoyed, and vica versa. There is this weird thought flying around that images of child abuse is child abuse in and by itself, which is just weird. Just sharing the same images over and over again has no effect on child abuse, the abuse has already happened and just sharing it freely like it was a movie on piratebay doesn't increase the production of child pornography either. The bad form of child porn sharing is trading or selling. When one person creates exclusive content to share with others who also have exclusive content, this is images or videos they have made that contribute to the production of child pornography, as they have to personally make it and trades it with others who have done the same. The act of selling child pornography speaks for itself. That's why it's important to catch groups, private communites and social rings within the child porn sharing community. Not just try and prevent access to child porn itself which helps as much as adding DRM to a game. If anything, preventing access will just make it even harder to find and catch child molesters. Which is why I'm very pro for the 3 first points listed in the article, but not the 4th as it's an unnecessary waste of resources and effort and doesn't focus on the underlying problem.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;38718178]TOR isn't super secure, you know.[/QUOTE] can you tell me about the actual vulnerabilities of tor if you follow basic caution like not using flash and not opening suspicious pdfs while connected to the internet/outside a virtual machine?
[QUOTE=dgg;38723965] Just sharing the same images over and over again has no effect on child abuse, the abuse has already happened and just sharing it freely like it was a movie on piratebay doesn't increase the production of child pornography either. [/QUOTE] Supply creates demand, too. Well, at least in case of drugs and porn.
[QUOTE=Tesla bowman;38725247]Supply creates demand, too. Well, at least in case of drugs and porn.[/QUOTE] Wow, what convenient logic. Only the things you personally believe increase demand increases demand. Supply of porn doesn't create more porn. People have sex because they are sexually active and want to fuck people. Supply of porn can only have one possible effect on the amount people have sex, [I]LESS[/I]. Why? Because people can satisfy with jerking off to porn, be it regular straight man on girl porn or man in latex fucking an asian round ass humongous titties blond dickgirl in a school girl uniform. Instead of getting some, they can see their fantasies in action and just jerk off to it. There are only two factors that cause porn production; 1) Porn companies create porn to sell on their porn sites to earn money, this follows supply and demand for reasons I will explain for drugs (and already have explained regarding trading and selling child porn) 2) People have sex and decide they'll record it or take photos of it and share it online for others to watch, this is completely irrelevant to any form of supply and demand and is just an addition to having sex like they intend to no matter what. (this is what the easily available child porn they want to deny access to falls under) And with drugs we come to a simple point. It's a product you can't get for free, it follows the laws of any product on the market. Porn on the other hand can be made for free and a lot of it is distributed for free. You can't share drugs over the net via tube sites, P2P networks or anything else. You can share porn. Two very very different things.
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