Muslims across France attend Catholic Mass in solidarity with Christians after priest was slain
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[quote]More than 100 Muslims were among the 2,000 faithful who packed the 11th-century Gothic cathedral of Rouen, near the Normandy town where two teenagers slit the throat of 85-year-old Father Jacques Hamel.
[B]"I thank you in the name of all Christians," Rouen Archbishop Dominique Lebrun told them. "In this way you are affirming that you reject death and violence in the name of God."[/B]
A few policemen and soldiers stood guard outside but did not conduct searches, seeking to reassure a jittery population after the second attack in less than a fortnight.
In the southern city of Nice, where a jihadist carried out a rampage in a truck on July 14, claiming 84 lives, [B]local imam Otaman Aissaoui led a delegation of Muslims to a Catholic mass.[/B]
[B]"Being united is a response to the act of horror and barbarism," Aissaoui said.[/B][/quote]
[url]http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2016/08/01/muslims-attend-mass-murdered-priest-france[/url]
It's also interesting to note that the same Muslim leaders in Rouen are [URL="http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/30/europe/priest-killer-burial-refused/index.html"]refusing to bury Adel Kermiche.[/URL] Figured I'd add this in since it's related but probably isn't worthy of it's own thread.
I hope this Imam and his following are propelled into the limelight in France and across Europe as a beacon of how Islam can contribute to the society.
[QUOTE=sgman91;50808026]I hope this Imam and his following are propelled into the limelight in France and across Europe as a beacon of how Islam can contribute to the society.[/QUOTE]
They won't be, because media in general still won't let the truth get in the way of a good sensationalist, populist story.
[QUOTE=sgman91;50808026]I hope this Imam and his following are propelled into the limelight in France and across Europe as a beacon of how Islam can contribute to the society.[/QUOTE]
That still won't deal with the radicals, which is what [I]REALLY [/I]should be done since they're the reason muslims have a bad rep as a whole, but it's hard dealing with those without stepping over the toes of legitimate refugees.
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Rock and hard place[/I] situation.
[QUOTE=sgman91;50808026]I hope this Imam and his following are propelled into the limelight in France and across Europe as a beacon of how Islam can contribute to the society.[/QUOTE]
What does Islam do that can contribute to society?
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[QUOTE=archangel125;50808062]They won't be, because media in general still won't let the truth get in the way of a good sensationalist, populist story.[/QUOTE]
Most medias in France and around here are pro-multiculturalism and will call racist anyone who has expressed opinions opposite to theirs so I bet yo' ass it will be largely covered in European medias.
And people seriously blame Islam, not plain extremism, as the problem.
If Christians were subjected to what Muslims have, then I bet you they'd have just as many extremists.
[QUOTE=Complifusedv2;50808078]What does Islam do that can contribute to society?[/QUOTE]
Islam as a community, not Islam as an ideology.
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[QUOTE=Van-man;50808073]That still won't deal with the radicals, which is what [I]REALLY [/I]should be done since they're the reason muslims have a bad rep as a whole, but it's hard dealing with those without stepping over the toes of legitimate refugees.
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Rock and hard place[/I] situation.[/QUOTE]
It would make it a whole lot easier to catch the bad ones if the good ones has people like this to look up to.
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[QUOTE=archangel125;50808062]They won't be, because media in general still won't let the truth get in the way of a good sensationalist, populist story.[/QUOTE]
I'm not so much talking about the media. I hope that the Islamic community, itself, uses this as an example of how to contribute for their people.
[QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50808088]And people seriously blame Islam, not plain extremism, as the problem.
If Christians were subjected to what Muslims have, then I bet you they'd have just as many extremists.[/QUOTE]
Well, during the time of the Ottoman empire, while Islamic countries weren't exactly shining beacons of progress, no other country was - and they certainly embraced science, philosophy and learning more than Western countries did in those days. But from the time of the European Colonial era all the way to present day, Military powers in the West have shit on the Middle East, torn down stable governments, and more recently, used them for proxy wars against Russia. Russia did the same. No wonder the places that were once considered jewels of the civilized world are now shitholes.
It could be said that European barbarism destroyed the Middle East. And now that the West is much more civilized, it's the Middle East that suffers.
[QUOTE=archangel125;50808179]Well, during the time of the Ottoman empire, while Islamic countries weren't exactly shining beacons of progress, no other country was - and they certainly embraced science, philosophy and learning more than Western countries do today. But from the time of the European Colonial era all the way to present day, Military powers in the West have shit on the Middle East, torn down stable governments, and more recently, used them for proxy wars against Russia. Russia did the same. No wonder the places that were once considered jewels of the civilized world are now shitholes.[/QUOTE]
Are you seriously saying it's the West's fault for the Ottoman Empire turning into the sick man of Europe?
The West swept into the Middle East because the Ottoman Empire was already a rotten, decadent shithole.
[QUOTE=Complifusedv2;50808078]What does Islam do that can contribute to society?[/QUOTE]
Muslims are just people bro
It's this attitude of us and them helps no one and just divides people further
[QUOTE=archangel125;50808062]They won't be, because media in general still won't let the truth get in the way of a good sensationalist, populist story.[/QUOTE]
If they were publishing articles about Muslim people being too noisy while waiting in line for a sandwhich then yeah they'd be acting sensationally, but you can't act as though reporting on grotesque acts of terror is somehow a coordinated effort by the media to smear Muslims. Islamic terrorists have given the news media quite a lot to work with, it's not the media's fault for running the stories. Granted, I agree that good news like this should be spread and praised, but what other good news is there to report on? Do you want the media to stop talking about terrorism and do a weekly segment showing quiet weekly prayer? I don't think this has anything to do with sensationalism, it's just reality. There's a lot of bad things going on with regard to Islamic terrorism, and it's the medias [I]job[/I] to report on it.
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It could be said that European barbarism destroyed the Middle East. And now that the West is much more civilized, it's the Middle East that suffers.[/QUOTE]
Okay, that statement is just bullshit.
The decline of the Middle East started with the decline of the Ottoman Empire, which started somewhere in the 16th century and was due to a long series of exceptionally incompetent sultans that mismanaged the Empire's politics, leading to a bloated bureaucracy and provincial governors that were more keen on ruling themselves than answering to Constantinople.
The Ottoman Empire, and the Middle East in general, became an impoverished backwater not because of some "European barbarism" but because the Europeans didn't [I]need those trade routes anymore.[/I] With the exploration of the African coast and the opening of the New World, European interests focused to the West and the South, circumventing Persia and the Arabian peninsula entirely. It wasn't some hash-brained conspiracy, it was quite simply the money moving elsewhere.
Combine these two things with intellectual and societal conservatism that began to run rampant through the poor lands, and you get an increasingly backwards region that can be picked apart by foreign powers.
And before you start some bullshit about how "picking apart a dead geopolitical body is bad", do realize the Ottoman Empire built their [I]entire early model off doing this to the Byzantines and Slavic kingdoms.
[/I]Proclaiming the "European barbarians" destroyed the Middle East is like saying the Germanic tribes destroyed the Roman Empire[I], [/I]they had a hand in it but it was one of many.
[QUOTE=Complifusedv2;50808078]What does Islam do that can contribute to society?[/QUOTE]
Money from the Halal food market it creates
Also fucking delicious North-African food in general
[QUOTE=Doozle;50808192]Muslims are just people bro
It's this attitude of us and them helps no one and just divides people further[/QUOTE]
That's the most basic and possibly most important lesson everyone needs to learn.
All of these groups, all of these individuals that people demonize, they're people just like the rest of us.
They have dreams, aspirations, some might not be particularly [I]good[/I] people, but that holds true for any group.
We're all human beings, and we should learn to treat each other as brothers and sisters, not as rabid animals.
Amazing.
Things like this give me hope for humanity.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;50808183]Are you seriously saying it's the West's fault for the Ottoman Empire turning into the sick man of Europe?
The West swept into the Middle East because the Ottoman Empire was already a rotten, decadent shithole.[/QUOTE]
The Ottoman Empire had been starting to crumble but it was rapidly liberalizing and would most likely have peacefully split with most of its posessions and continue on its path towards liberalization if it had not been for the British encourage mass-revolts in the Arab provinces and other European meddling.
[QUOTE=TheBloodyNine;50808801]The Ottoman Empire had been starting to crumble but it was rapidly liberalizing and would most likely have peacefully split with most of its posessions and continue on its path towards liberalization if it had not been for the British encourage mass-revolts in the Arab provinces and other European meddling.[/QUOTE]
Check how the Balkan countries "peacefully split" from the Ottoman empire before you make statements like this one.
[QUOTE=Stopper;50809297]Check how the Balkan countries "peacefully split" from the Ottoman empire before you make statements like this one.[/QUOTE]
:goodjob: It's almost as if that's a full hundred years after European powers started destabalizing the Empire and stopping its trend towards democracy.
[QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50808088]And people seriously blame Islam, not plain extremism, as the problem.
If Christians were subjected to what Muslims have, then I bet you they'd have just as many extremists.[/QUOTE]
While Islam isn't the problem, it's also not just "plain extremism." It's Islamism.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;50808183]Are you seriously saying it's the West's fault for the Ottoman Empire turning into the sick man of Europe?
The West swept into the Middle East because the Ottoman Empire was already a rotten, decadent shithole.[/QUOTE]
Jingoism.
[QUOTE=TheBloodyNine;50808801]The Ottoman Empire had been starting to crumble but it was rapidly liberalizing and would most likely have peacefully split with most of its posessions and continue on its path towards liberalization if it had not been for the British encourage mass-revolts in the Arab provinces and other European meddling.[/QUOTE]
It was called the Sick Man of Europe before even the Crimean War, what happened in the early 20th century had little new impact.
There's a difference between 'sick' and collapsing in on yourself into a far right regime.
[QUOTE=Complifusedv2;50808078]What does Islam do that can contribute to society?
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Do you people know anything about Islam?
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;50808264]Money from the Halal food market it creates
Also fucking delicious North-African food in general[/QUOTE]
Dunno about North African food, but we've got some pretty kick-ass Lebanese/Iraqi restaurants around here. Falafel and Shawarma are the shit.
THIS. This is the way religion should be, despite their differences.
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