The Bernie Sanders 'Rape Fantasy' Essay, Explained
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[quote][URL="http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/05/young-bernie-sanders-liberty-union-vermont"]Mother Jones[/URL] dug up a 1972 essay that Bernie Sanders wrote for the [I]Vermont Freeman[/I], an alternative newspaper. The article, called, "Man-and-Woman," is a commentary on gender roles. But it's also caused a stir, as is bound to happen anytime a candidate mentions rape.If you haven't been following the hubbub, read on for a rundown of what the controversy is all about.[/quote]
[URL]http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/05/29/410606045/the-bernie-sanders-rape-fantasy-essay-explained[/URL]
I still find it pretty sad that the only negative shit they've managed to dig up on the dude is an essay from the early 70s that even Bernie himself has stated was written pretty terribly.
Ah, yes, a 43 year old essay for an alternative newspaper. How relevant!
I bet you in 40 years we're going to be going back and looking at what x presidential candidate said on twitter or what porn they looked at
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;47856392]Ah, yes, a 43 year old essay for an alternative newspaper. How relevant!
I bet you in 40 years we're going to be going back and looking at what x presidential candidate said on twitter or what porn they looked at[/QUOTE]
This reminds me of Ted Nugent. Not a politician but a common face on Fox news who advocates for more war and [I]christian family values[/I].
He was a rock star who abused meth, enjoyed jailbait and pretended to be retarded by shitting his pants for a week to avoid Vietnam.
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Is it bad I didn't actually see anything wrong off the top of his essay?
If women fantasize about rape, then women fantasize about rape. Whatever. That's a matter that can be verified with statistics and surveys. It does NOT mean:
* you can rape them
* you can excuse rape with "well, she probably wanted it"
* it doesn't even mean Sanders thought it was the ideal, in fact he argued in the paper that the dynamics of sex should change
The essay was written as a way to make fun of gender stereotypes. It is really pathetic that people are using this as a ploy to steer us away from the real issues facing our nation.
[QUOTE=Aide;47856697][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/IBXbetO.png[/IMG]
Totally agree.[/QUOTE]
If anything, smear campaigns and attempted character assassinations should be illegal, or at least heavily regulated, in politics. As in, the people responsible for starting the smear campaign end up chained above the abyss.
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;47856392]I bet you in 40 years we're going to be going back and looking at what x presidential candidate said on twitter or what porn they looked at[/QUOTE]
Someday we'll have a candidate trying to explain the NSFW MLP fanfics on his old DeviantArt page.
i think it's a fair point that our gender roles fuck up our sexuality.
it's stupid how the campaign is trying to distance itself from the article when one of the major points of it was that we things are fucked up because don't discuss issues regarding sexuality and gender roles since doing so is "socially unacceptable"
We're fast approaching a world where the ideal politician is one with no past.
Imagine in the future parents raising their kids to never publish anything with an opinion anywhere and never making a social media account to groom them for politics.
Bernie Sanders is pretty cool. I like how he dealt with Rand Paul in a healthcare debate.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUXwDMqjC-A[/media]
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;47856663]This reminds me of Ted Nugent. Not a politician but a common face on Fox news who advocates for more war and [I]christian family values[/I].
He was a rock star who abused meth, enjoyed jailbait and pretended to be retarded by shitting his pants for a week to avoid Vietnam.
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Hm, assumed this was the far right but nope, radical feminists trying to shit on good ol Bernie to push Hilary.[/QUOTE]
are 'radical' feminists actually doing this?
what bernie wrote, although extremely uncouth, is not too different from what simone de beauvoir would write: that patriarchal gender roles which encourage the dominance of the man and the submission of the woman also serve to encourage real fuckt up psyche shit.
[QUOTE=Scum;47857029]are 'radical' feminists actually doing this?
what bernie wrote, although extremely uncouth, is not too different from what simone de beauvoir would write: that patriarchal gender roles which encourage the dominance of the man and the submission of the woman also serve to encourage real fuckt up psyche shit.[/QUOTE]
Yes, it's a very obvious nod to Germaine Greer's comments about sex roles which were in vogue in the 1970's; everyone was writing in this severe and explicit fashion. It's gonna strike as out-dated simply because we don't need to be so explicit to call attention to rape issues anymore.
And in internet parlance, "radical" feminist is just what you'd call the female specter of the supposed opposition to internet-approved neo-liberalism or whatever; imagine perhaps an American mom.
[QUOTE=Scum;47857029]are 'radical' feminists actually doing this?
what bernie wrote, although extremely uncouth, is not too different from what simone de beauvoir would write: that patriarchal gender roles which encourage the dominance of the man and the submission of the woman also serve to encourage real fuckt up psyche shit.[/QUOTE]
No, he just used the term radical to sound scary there.
Ha this is the only shit they could dig up? Lets look at the competition:
[img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19779215/Photos/Facepunch/GCOVi0J.png[/img]
These people need to get their priorities straight.
[QUOTE=Scum;47857029]are 'radical' feminists actually doing this?
what bernie wrote, although extremely uncouth, is not too different from what simone de beauvoir would write: that patriarchal gender roles which encourage the dominance of the man and the submission of the woman also serve to encourage real fuckt up psyche shit.[/QUOTE]
Mother Jones is the magazine/website that dug this up to discredit him. Its a left leaning and feminist magazine.
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Hm, I read the Npr, should have focused on the contents of the mj article. My bad.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;47857143]Mother Jones is the magazine/website that dug this up to discredit him. Its a left leaning and feminist magazine.[/QUOTE]
It's like you go out of your way to be obnoxious; they didn't dig it up to discredit him, it's actually the exact opposite. The name of the article is: "How Bernie Sanders Learned to Be a Real Politician," and the publication has been mostly supportive of him as a no-nonsense democratic socialist.
[QUOTE=ironman17;47856796]If anything, smear campaigns and attempted character assassinations should be illegal, or at least heavily regulated, in politics. As in, the people responsible for starting the smear campaign end up chained above the abyss.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely disagree, freedom of speech is most important when involving politics and even more-so when involving the politicians themselves (no matter how seemingly irrelevent the information is in a present-day context).
No rock should be left unturned.
Also,
Libellous claims that are unsubstantiated being brought against a politician is already illegal.
[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;47857012]Bernie Sanders is pretty cool. I like how he dealt with Rand Paul in a healthcare debate.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUXwDMqjC-A[/media][/QUOTE]
I like this healthcare one better
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk5ZJ6uVO9Y&t=1m3s[/media]
mother jones is run by a political group thats run by the top democrat donor, who's heavily invested in hillary clinton, so its like 3 steps removed but its still an attack, though it could very well be coincidental
[QUOTE=Sableye;47857591]mother jones is run by a political group thats run by the top democrat donor, who's heavily invested in hillary clinton, so its like 3 steps removed but its still an attack, though it could very well be coincidental[/QUOTE]
If the Mother Jones article is an "attack" on Sanders then he should hope for and welcome future attacks of the same nature.
[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;47857012]Bernie Sanders is pretty cool. I like how he dealt with Rand Paul in a healthcare debate.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUXwDMqjC-A[/media][/QUOTE]
my brother's been going on about this guy as president.
after that he stopped
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;47856856]Someday we'll have a candidate trying to explain the NSFW MLP fanfics on his old DeviantArt page.[/QUOTE]
So basically [url=http://i.imgur.com/DsP4bNr.png]this.[/url]
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[QUOTE=Code3Response;47857468]I like this healthcare one better
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk5ZJ6uVO9Y&t=1m3s[/media][/QUOTE]
I like how they claim they can't afford it, like "Where are we gonna get the money to pay for this?!" when they have no trouble finding money for their PACs or stupid wars/pet projects with Boeing/Lockheed Martin.
But hey, now that the provisions for the NSA have expired, they should totally reintroduce this bill and use the money from THAT to fund it. Bam, problem solved.
this is pretty reminiscent of a house of cards episode
if i could only remember the context
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;47856392]Ah, yes, a 43 year old essay for an alternative newspaper. How relevant!
I bet you in 40 years we're going to be going back and looking at what x presidential candidate said on twitter or what porn they looked at[/QUOTE]
Someday in the future people will judge candidates based on the porn they were in, not looked at.
"He did porn using condoms? He's too wimpy to be President. I'm voting for the guy who has 'Raw Dog 4life' as his campaign slogan."
[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;47857012]Bernie Sanders is pretty cool. I like how he dealt with Rand Paul in a healthcare debate.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUXwDMqjC-A[/media][/QUOTE]
The face that woman behind Rand makes the whole time he's talking is priceless.
Also did he seriously just claim that people DIDN'T have a right to water? Yes, the Declaration said "Pursuit of happiness", but before that it also mentions life and liberty.
You can't live without water or healthcare, and you don't have much freedom when you're a slave to your job to pay for these things.
The article paints him as being more progressive when it comes to gender in the [i]seventies[/i] than most politicians are today.
Who exactly is spinning this as an offensive essay, because Mother Jones definitely isn't.
[QUOTE=Tone Float;47856703]Is it bad I didn't actually see anything wrong off the top of his essay?
If women fantasize about rape, then women fantasize about rape. Whatever. That's a matter that can be verified with statistics and surveys. It does NOT mean:
* you can rape them
* you can excuse rape with "well, she probably wanted it"
* it doesn't even mean Sanders thought it was the ideal, in fact he argued in the paper that the dynamics of sex should change[/QUOTE]
Men and women both fantasize about rape for a variety of reasons. It's a much more common fantasy than you'd think. But it's exactly that: a fantasy.
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[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;47856392]Ah, yes, a 43 year old essay for an alternative newspaper. How relevant!
I bet you in 40 years we're going to be going back and looking at what x presidential candidate said on twitter or what porn they looked at[/QUOTE]
It's already happening
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