• Air Force burning through bomb stockpiles striking ISIL
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[url]http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/12/03/isil-iraq-syria-hellfire-missiles-drones/76741954/[/url] [QUOTE]WASHINGTON — The Air Force has fired more than 20,000 missiles and bombs in the air war against the Islamic State, depleting its stocks of munitions and prompting the service to scour depots around the world for more weapons and to find money to buy them, according to records obtained by USA TODAY. The Air Force efforts come as the Pentagon has stepped up airstrikes on Islamic State, or ISIL, targets in Iraq and Syria. That bombing campaign began in August 2014 in Iraq, spread to Syria a month later and has continued to target ISIL fighters and equipment. "We're in the business of killing terrorists and business is good," Air Force Secretary Deborah Lee James said in statement. "We need to replenish our munitions stock. Weapons take years to produce from the day the contract is assigned until they roll off the production line." The Air Force carries out most of the bombing runs, using a variety of warplanes from single-prop Predator drones to huge B-1 bombers. Navy and Marine pilots, and several other countries, also fly missions. "We're expending munitions faster than we can replenish them. B-1s have dropped bombs in record numbers. F-15Es are in the fight because they are able to employ a wide range of weapons and do so with great flexibility," said Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Mark Welsh in a statement. "We need the funding in place to ensure we're prepared for the long fight. This is a critical need."[/QUOTE]
........... That seems like too many bombs for strategic striking.. wtf? edit: I guess 40 bombs every day for approximately 500 days isn't as initially ridiculous as it seems, I just saw "20,000" and went "WTF?" tbh.
[QUOTE=soulharvester;49255360]........... That seems like too many bombs for strategic striking.. wtf?[/QUOTE] Strategic carpet bombing!
Republicans are gonna keep calling Obama a "pussy" for not bombing ISIL enough.
[quote]and to find money to buy them[/quote] Most important part of the article
[QUOTE=zakedodead;49255383]Most important part of the article[/QUOTE] America can always find money for bombs. Bombs always have bipartisan support.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49255377]Republicans are gonna keep calling Obama a "pussy" for not bombing ISIL enough.[/QUOTE] Not even a nuke would be enough. It would have to be 2. At the same time!
What's funny is that we dropped more bombs [i]in one day[/i] at points during WW2, Korea, Vietnam than we've dropped on ISIS overall.
Somewhere in the world right now there is an arms manufacturer cackling maniacally.
[quote] "We're in the business of killing terrorists and business is good,"[/quote] No, it's not good. Because killing them alone isn't going to win anything. Did the American military machine learn [I]nothing[/I] from Vietnam? You can't win a war by building a body count. If business is so "good" then why the fuck is the Islamic State still on the offensive? Why are not pseudo-allied militias closing in on their self proclaimed capital? Why are they able to launch massive, coordinated attacks in European cities, diverting resources instead of needing to full on put men on the front lines in the Middle East?
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49255377]Republicans are gonna keep calling Obama a "pussy" for not bombing ISIL enough.[/QUOTE] "I see a mud-hut right over there that's still standing! Step up your game, Obama! OR ARE YOU A TERRORIST SYMPATHIZER?!"
Reminds me of how we cleared out our Vietnam stockpiles with the Gulf War.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;49255832]No, it's not good. Because killing them alone isn't going to win anything. Did the American military machine learn [I]nothing[/I] from Vietnam? You can't win a war by building a body count. If business is so "good" then why the fuck is the Islamic State still on the offensive? Why are not pseudo-allied militias closing in on their self proclaimed capital? Why are they able to launch massive, coordinated attacks in European cities, diverting resources instead of needing to full on put men on the front lines in the Middle East?[/QUOTE] Chill. It's a figure of speech saying that a lot of bombs are being requested.
[quote]"We're in the business of killing terrorists and business is good,"[/quote] That sounds like the tag-line of a movie.
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;49256117]That sounds like the tag-line of a movie.[/QUOTE] [video=youtube;cXDsoM2QYqQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXDsoM2QYqQ[/video]
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;49256117][QUOTE]"We're in the business of killing terrorists and business is good,"[/QUOTE]That sounds like the tag-line of a movie.[/QUOTE] war is good for business [IMG]http://skepchick.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/quark-ferengi.png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;49256117]That sounds like the tag-line of a movie.[/QUOTE] Close. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECe__t9ZomQ[/media]
I wonder how Bernie Sanders would conduct this war. I admittedly haven't seen that much from him on the subject, but whenever I do, he turns the discussion on middle east terrorism to global warming, calling it the greatest threat to national security. I haven't heard much from him on the subject of terrorism. [editline]5th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Wizards Court;49256130]war is good for business [IMG]http://skepchick.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/quark-ferengi.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] Did those guys ever seem like Jewish caricatures to anyone else?
[QUOTE=proboardslol;49256210]I wonder how Bernie Sanders would conduct this war. I admittedly haven't seen that much from him on the subject, but whenever I do, he turns the discussion on middle east terrorism to global warming, calling it the greatest threat to national security. I haven't heard much from him on the subject of terrorism. [/QUOTE] That's my biggest concern with Bernie; his foreign policy seems pretty weak. Great on domestic issues, but it will be extremely painful for the US if he goes full isolation on the first day and pulling out of all our obligations world wide. [editline]5th December 2015[/editline] Related to the article; we don't uace massive coldwar stockpiles sitting around?
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbI_FZdyLdM[/media]
[QUOTE=richard9311;49256235]That's my biggest concern with Bernie; his foreign policy seems pretty weak. Great on domestic issues, but it will be extremely painful for the US if he goes full isolation on the first day and pulling out of all our obligations world wide. [editline]5th December 2015[/editline] Related to the article; we don't uace massive coldwar stockpiles sitting around?[/QUOTE] I love the Burn but he's absolutely weak when it comes to terrorism, I'm not sure If I'll be voting at all this coming election because of that and it makes me sad.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49255377]Republicans are gonna keep calling Obama a "pussy" for not bombing ISIL enough.[/QUOTE] "OBAMA'S FOREIGN POLICY IS TOOTHLESS!" "um guys, we have a bill from the WH here, they say the airforce has run out of bombs..." "HE IS NOT USING ENOUGH BOMBS" i didn't know that we were using b-1bs to deliver this stuff either, i assumed our strikes were all f-16 or similar fighter bomber roles, i mean the only step up from the b-1s is the b-52s....but not by much, since the b-1b carries essentially the same amount of ordinance, just not quite the psychological kick the b-52 may bring
Good, alot of these 500, 1,000 and 2,000 lb dumb bombs we have in the stockpile were made in the Vietnam era. The JDAM guidance kits are another story though and cost ALOT more.
[QUOTE=TestECull;49255711]What's funny is that we dropped more bombs [i]in one day[/i] at points during WW2, Korea, Vietnam than we've dropped on ISIS overall.[/QUOTE] bombs back then were really inaccurate though, you'd need to use 10-20 times more to hit a target.
[QUOTE=richard9311;49256235]That's my biggest concern with Bernie; his foreign policy seems pretty weak. Great on domestic issues, but it will be extremely painful for the US if he goes full isolation on the first day and pulling out of all our obligations world wide. [editline]5th December 2015[/editline] Related to the article; we don't uace massive coldwar stockpiles sitting around?[/QUOTE] uace? [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Advanced_Certificate_of_Education[/url]
[QUOTE=richard9311;49256235]That's my biggest concern with Bernie; his foreign policy seems pretty weak.[/QUOTE] His foreign policy is basically this: Step 1) Blame Bush Step 2) Whine about why can't other people do it
[QUOTE=Sableye;49256588]"OBAMA'S FOREIGN POLICY IS TOOTHLESS!" "um guys, we have a bill from the WH here, they say the airforce has run out of bombs..." "HE IS NOT USING ENOUGH BOMBS" i didn't know that we were using b-1bs to deliver this stuff either, i assumed our strikes were all f-16 or similar fighter bomber roles, i mean the only step up from the b-1s is the b-52s....but not by much, since the b-1b carries essentially the same amount of ordinance, just not quite the psychological kick the b-52 may bring[/QUOTE] Personally, the psychological impact of the bombs being dropped on me would probably mean more than the type of planes carrying them.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;49258321]His foreign policy is basically this: Step 1) Blame Bush Step 2) Whine about why can't other people do it[/QUOTE] Whats wrong with that? ISIS probably exists because of Bush. And ISIS is affecting everyone. If we spent half of our defense budget on any one of the issues that actually take place in the our country, we could do fantastic things. People feel like you do because of 40 years of brainwashing lead you to believe the military industrial complex is necessary. By the way - if you take Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, Etc. out of the defense industry - the market will be flooded with our most talented engineers The reality is, if we fix our own country, we actually end up doing more good for the world then we could ever do killing terrorists. The USA is a cultural and media hub of the world, having things good here will affect everyone! Terrorists exist because we suck as people. If we suck less as people - terrorists have no reason to exist.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;49255832]No, it's not good. Because killing them alone isn't going to win anything. Did the American military machine learn [I]nothing[/I] from Vietnam? You can't win a war by building a body count. If business is so "good" then why the fuck is the Islamic State still on the offensive? Why are not pseudo-allied militias closing in on their self proclaimed capital? Why are they able to launch massive, coordinated attacks in European cities, diverting resources instead of needing to full on put men on the front lines in the Middle East?[/QUOTE] Problem is that we're probably not even killing them. We're probably doing more harm than good. I honestly don't believe these bombings are getting things done.
[QUOTE=old_hag12;49258382] People feel like you do because of 40 years of brainwashing lead you to believe the military industrial complex is necessary..[/QUOTE] Holy shit what where did you come to that conclusion
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