Gary Johnson gaining traction with Hispanic voters, could potentially take them from Clinton
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[quote]Libertarian Party presidential nominee Gary Johnson is making surprising inroads among Hispanic and younger voters — two planks of the Obama coalition that Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton has been banking on to help carry her to victory.
Those voters could play an outsize role in the West. Mr. Johnson has been building support in Colorado and Nevada, two swing states where Mrs. Clinton and Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump have tried to attract Hispanics.
“This race in the Hispanic community — if Gary Johnson launches a very aggressive effort, he has the ability of [not] necessarily coming in second, but very closely beating Hillary if they dedicate enough resources,” said Rafael Fantauzzi, co-chairman of the recently formed Tercera Opcion PAC, a pro-Johnson outside group.
Mr. Trump has spent the past week trying to calibrate his immigration stance, hoping to appeal to Hispanic voters without losing support of conservatives who support a crackdown on illegal immigration.
Democrats say Mr. Trump’s history as a hard-liner on immigration will haunt him.
[B]Mr. Johnson supports President Obama’s deportation amnesty, which plays well in Hispanic communities, and his support for criminal justice reform could attract younger Hispanic voters, Mr. Fantauzzi said.[/B][/quote]
[url]http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/23/gary-johnson-gaining-traction-young-and-hispanic-v/[/url]
[quote]but very closely beating Hillary if they dedicate enough resources,” said Rafael Fantauzzi, co-chairman of the recently formed Tercera Opcion PAC,[B] a pro-Johnson outside group.[/B][/quote]
of course they would say that.
also there's nothing on johnson's platform that the democrats don't already have a better track record on
[QUOTE=Sableye;50939806]of course they would say that.
also there's nothing on johnson's platform that the democrats don't already have a better track record on[/QUOTE]
Johnson has a better track record with emails and lack of scandals, I would say.
So we could have two outsiders, Trump and Johnson, in the debates. Hillary wouldn't stand a chance and Trump has proven to be excellent at debating multiple opponents at once.
I prefer Trump because Johnson is in favor of private prisons and the TPP, among other things.
[QUOTE=orgornot;50940509]So we could have two outsiders, Trump and Johnson, in the debates. Hillary wouldn't stand a chance and Trump has proven to be excellent at debating multiple opponents at once.
I prefer Trump because Johnson is in favor of private prisons and the TPP, among other things.[/QUOTE]
What qualifies as excellent too you? He barley has a clue about what he is talking about and it's glaring in the debates. Why do you think he refused to do any more during the Republican primary?
Meanwhile, from the same article:
[quote]Mr. Johnson is fighting to cross the relevancy threshold in the presidential race. If he can earn 15 percent support in a series of polls, he will be allowed onto the national stage for prime-time debates.
In states such as Colorado, Mr. Johnson has hit that 15 percent mark. But in national polls, which matter more now, his numbers are hovering just below 10 percent. He is, however, outperforming among Hispanics, according to some of those surveys.
A Fox News poll of Hispanics showed Mrs. Clinton with 59 percent support in a three-way contest. Mr. Johnson was effectively tied with Mr. Trump, with 16 percent to the Republican nominee’s 17 percent. In May, Mrs. Clinton was at 58 percent, Mr. Trump was at 21 percent and Mr. Johnson was at 9 percent.[/quote]
So it seems that what they mean by 'gaining traction' is Johnson polling better than Trump with Hispanics, which is completely to be expected.
I'd love to see him at the debates but I don't think he's gaining as much traction as the article's headlines and the quotes suggest...
I have a quesrion. Where do these support polls come from? Are they the polls that we are used to seeing such as Pew Research?
[QUOTE=orgornot;50940509]So we could have two outsiders, Trump and Johnson, in the debates. Hillary wouldn't stand a chance and Trump has proven to be excellent at debating multiple opponents at once.[/QUOTE]
If you think presidential debates are the sort of thing Trump has any chance of conquering, you should perhaps actually read what a presidential debate is.
[QUOTE=orgornot;50940509]So we could have two outsiders, Trump and Johnson, in the debates. Hillary wouldn't stand a chance and Trump has proven to be excellent at debating multiple opponents at once.
I prefer Trump because Johnson is in favor of private prisons and the TPP, among other things.[/QUOTE]
Thats not debating, he just shouts louder. Like honestly, ive seen middle school debate clubs set a better example.
Also, mind explaining why you support private prisons? What benifits do they bring?
let's fucking hope not. a vote for anyone else but hillary is a vote for trump
[QUOTE=da space core;50941076]Thats not debating, he just shouts louder. Like honestly, ive seen middle school debate clubs set a better example.
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speaking of that, not only she drawing experience of her debating skills, politics skills, she told jimmy kimmel she is also drawing on her [B]ELEMENTARY SCHOOL EXPERIENCE[/B].
[QUOTE=da space core;50941076]Thats not debating, he just shouts louder. Like honestly, ive seen middle school debate clubs set a better example.
Also, mind explaining why you support private prisons? What benifits do they bring?[/QUOTE]
He doesnt support private prisons - read the post again
[QUOTE=God of Ashes;50941337]let's fucking hope not. a vote for anyone else but hillary is a vote for trump[/QUOTE]
That's not how it works.
A vote for Trump would increase Trump's vote count, a vote for someone else doesn't.
I'll give you an example, let's say the count is:
C: 55, T: 35, J: 10
If 15 C voters jump to J then C still wins (C: 40, T: 35, J: 25)
But if those 15 voters jump to T then that's a win for T (T: 50, C: 40)
So it's not the same thing.
If Hillary wants voters she has to earn them, not just say "im not trump".
That kind of thinking is why we are stuck with this two party system.
[QUOTE=da space core;50941076]Also, mind explaining why you support private prisons? What benifits do they bring?[/QUOTE]
[B]Johnson [/B]supports private prisons and the TPP, I don't. Which is why I prefer Donald Trump.
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That kind of thinking is why we are stuck with this two party system.
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Who is we?
Johnson's still not really making any progress towards 15%, his polling has been static for a long time now
Johnson is THE candidate for minorities. You might not agree with all of his policies but he actually gives a shit about civil liberties.
hop on the johnson train everyone, because we don't need no roads
[QUOTE=cis.joshb;50943681]hop on the johnson train everyone, because we don't need no roads[/QUOTE]
Jesus fuck, I don't even agree with Johnson on most economic issues but can we stop with this nonsense?
[QUOTE=cis.joshb;50943681]hop on the johnson train everyone, because we don't need no roads[/QUOTE]
Nice meme
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50939816]Johnson has a better track record with emails and lack of scandals, I would say.[/QUOTE]
Maybe he doesn't even use email.
[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;50943904]Maybe he doesn't even use email.[/QUOTE]
:what:
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50943919]:what:[/QUOTE]
Sorry for the meme, serious question? What are Gary Johnson's opinions on welfare? I assume because he is to the extreme of being a laissez faire free market capitalist, he wants to scrap a lot of it? How do you feel about this?
[QUOTE=orgornot;50942023]That's not how it works.
A vote for Trump would increase Trump's vote count, a vote for someone else doesn't.
I'll give you an example, let's say the count is:
C: 55, T: 35, J: 10
If 15 C voters jump to J then C still wins (C: 40, T: 35, J: 25)
But if those 15 voters jump to T then that's a win for T (T: 50, C: 40)
So it's not the same thing.
If Hillary wants voters she has to earn them, not just say "im not trump".
That kind of thinking is why we are stuck with this two party system.[/QUOTE]
Eh, its a mathematical reality that if you decide to vote for a third party canidate, your doesnt go to whichever of the 2 frontrunners is more like your views, therefore making you less represented in the final outcome. voting for a third party actually runs counter towards representing you better.
Its not just "a kind of thinking" its the way our voting system is set up to function... we need to dump first past the post for a solution.
Uninformed voters. Voting for him would hurt Hispanics and immigrants more than Clinton.
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