• Israel passes law aimed at deterring African migrants
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[QUOTE]JERUSALEM -- In a controversial move decried by human rights organizations, Israel's parliament passed a bill allowing migrants to be jailed without trial for a year. Under the law finalized early Tuesday after a heated late-night debate, Israeli authorities will be able to jail new migrants for a year if they slip over the border illegally, and detain others already in Israel in a new holding facility indefinitely. The law was intended to apply almost exclusively to African migrants who cross the border in uncontrolled stretches of open desert. In the past, most have come in from Egypt. It replaces a previous law, ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court, that allowed migrants to be jailed for three years. The court ruled in September that the law violated human rights. The new law attempted to address the court's concerns by lowering the detention time. The court had also ordered the government to release about 2,000 Africans detained at the time, and review individual requests for asylum and refugee recognition. Fewer than half have been released. Passing the new law "reflects poorly on Israel's human rights record," said Sara Robinson of Amnesty International Israel. Referring to the new detention facility, Robinson said that detaining refugees and asylum seekers indefinitely in what is "essentially a prison in the desert" is a "flagrant violation of international human rights law." The new "open" facility will hold about 3,000 detainees and provide services to discourage them from working. Technically, they will be free to come and go during daytime but must return to the remotely located center by night. The government refers to the migrants as "infiltrators" because they enter the country without passing through controlled border crossings. Many of the migrants are asylum seekers, but very few are granted asylum out of thousands of requests reviewed annually by a Refugee Status Determination committee. [/QUOTE] [url]http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-israel-migrants-detention-20131210,0,7298693.story#ixzz2nCtd47Wd[/url]
Well, we already knew that Israel was extremely racist.
Israel is becoming a bigger and bigger joke with every new thing I learn about it.
And this is bad because...?
[QUOTE=PatrickT;43150964]And this is bad because...?[/QUOTE] are you for real
[QUOTE=ashton93;43150981]are you for real[/QUOTE] I am not joking
[QUOTE=PatrickT;43150964]And this is bad because...?[/QUOTE] Because Israel is acting like a twofaced pseudo-country again.
[QUOTE=PatrickT;43150964]And this is bad because...?[/QUOTE] Oh i dunno because [quote]Israeli authorities will be able to jail new migrants for a year if they slip over the border illegally, and detain others already in Israel in a new holding facility indefinitely.[/quote] Key word, new holding facility - AKA INTERMENT CAMPS While the US does this, they usually just deport them as quick as possible( ICE Detainers) and if they come back they come back. Isreali is pretty much going to use this to detain anyone and hold them without any sort of trial. I bet you this is going to be used against Palestinians when Israel decides the land they're on is theirs.
[QUOTE=MR-X;43151006]Oh i dunno because Key word, new holding facility - AKA INTERMENT CAMPS While the US does this, they usually just deport them as quick as possible( ICE Detainers) and if they come back they come back. Isreali is pretty much going to use this to detain anyone and hold them without any sort of trial. I bet you this is going to be used against Palestinians when Israel decides the land they're on is theirs.[/QUOTE] Isn't it a sensible thing to detain people coming illegally into the country? How are you going to hold track of them otherwise? [quote]Isreali is pretty much going to use this to detain anyone and hold them without any sort of trial. I bet you this is going to be used against Palestinians when Israel decides the land they're on is theirs. [/quote] Assumptions?
It's not as bad as the article even says. If you don't want to get into trouble, try not crossing borders illegally. No reason to get up in arms over it.
What a better way to honor Mandela's spirit than to pass a bullshit law intended to strip illegal Africans of any human right they had.
[QUOTE=PatrickT;43151067]Isn't it a sensible thing to detain people coming illegally into the country? How are you going to hold track of them otherwise?[/QUOTE] Detain? Yes. As long as you deal with them decently. Jail them for a year without trial? No. It's a violation of human rights to be jailed without trial, either trial them or release them, if they can't trial them then tough shit, no trial means no legal reason for that person to be jailed.
I don't understand why anyone is whining about this. It's a law to jail people for [I]illegally [/I]entering a country. As in, a law to jail people for breaking the law. If you're going to complain and say [I]"Whelp Israel is at it [B]again[/B]!!!"[/I] you're just bandwagoning. I am a huge critic of what Israel does, but this is hardly an [I]atrocity[/I], or anything close.
[QUOTE=Quark:;43151355]I don't understand why anyone is whining about this. It's a law to jail people for [I]illegally [/I]entering a country. As in, a law to jail people for breaking the law. If you're going to complain and say [I]"Whelp Israel is at it [B]again[/B]!!!"[/I] you're just bandwagoning. I am a huge critic of what Israel does, but this is hardly an [I]atrocity[/I], or anything close.[/QUOTE] Then trial them accordingly. [editline]11th December 2013[/editline] The problem isn't that they're being jailed, it's that they're not getting a trial.
[QUOTE=Quark:;43151355]I don't understand why anyone is whining about this. It's a law to jail people for [I]illegally [/I]entering a country. As in, a law to jail people for breaking the law. If you're going to complain and say [I]"Whelp Israel is at it [B]again[/B]!!!"[/I] you're just bandwagoning. I am a huge critic of what Israel does, but this is hardly an [I]atrocity[/I], or anything close.[/QUOTE] "No trial" "Jailing people for breaking the law" You don't make that determination until they have their trial. This isn't something Israel is being singled out on, if illegal Mexicans were refused their constitutional rights I'd be equally incensed with the US.
Can you imagine being jailed for a whole year, only to then get a trial and the judge considering you not guilty or giving you a sentence smaller than a year? Time of your life wasted. Now imagine if it went like they originally planned and it was 3 years without trial.
Every second in which Israel is supported by any country is a disgrace to human right. I'm looking at you, USA.
I think it's funny. The jews hated the nazis for killing and hating jews and other races and generally being racist... and here we are now, where the Jews are killing and hating africans, palestinians, and every one else. and no one does a thing. Of course, no one did a thing about nazi germany until they started being dicks to everyone.
[QUOTE]detain others already in Israel in a new holding facility indefinitely.[/QUOTE] That is just disturbing.
I'm hoping the Israeli supreme court will strike it down again. [editline]11th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Tmaxx;43151657]I think it's funny. The jews hated the nazis for killing and hating jews and other races and generally being racist... and here we are now, where the Jews are killing and hating africans, palestinians, and every one else. and no one does a thing. Of course, no one did a thing about nazi germany until they started being dicks to everyone.[/QUOTE] I think Jew/Nazi comparisons are pretty horribly disgusting in this case. Perhaps the biggest one is that Israel does not represent all of the Jews and their actions. When people conflate the actions of Israel with those of Jewish people and begin to blame Jews, it leads to a nasty situation where Jewish people are blamed for things they haven't even done and treated even more like shit. Jews do not inherently kill and hate Africans, Palestinians, and everyone els. When talking about Israel, it's Israel. Not the Jews.
[QUOTE=Tmaxx;43151657]I think it's funny. The jews hated the nazis for killing and hating jews and other races and generally being racist... and here we are now, where the Jews are killing and hating africans, palestinians, and every one else. and no one does a thing. Of course, no one did a thing about nazi germany until they started being dicks to everyone.[/QUOTE] You're not edgy for trying to compare Israel to the Nazis. Stop trying. Africans aren't being slaughtered in abandoned warehouses and Palestinians aren't exactly being helplessly slaughtered and stripped of their pure holy innocence. For any deluded individuals that believes Israel is 'terrorizing' Palestine due to their race, beliefs (like the Nazi party of Germany) or territory, go ahead and take a peek at what fuels Israel's aggression as of late. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2007[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2008[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2009[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2010[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2011[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2012[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2013[/url]
[QUOTE=Monkah;43152176]my god the edginess "lol i compared israel to nazis im so edgy, rage moar fgts" Seriously, shut up. Africans aren't being slaughtered in abandoned warehouses and Palestinians aren't exactly being helplessly slaughtered and stripped of their pure holy innocence. For any deluded individuals that believes Israel is 'terrorizing' Palestine: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2007[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2008[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2009[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2010[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2011[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2012[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2013[/url][/QUOTE] But the Israeli government was caught supporting a program that coerced Palestinians into an operation where they would then be sterilized without giving consent. Israeli soldiers have also on numerous accounts brutally beaten and killed Palestinians for no good cause. The Israeli government also encroaches on Palestinian land, claiming that Israeli Jews deserve to live on the land, which is not that different than Lebensraum, the Nazi doctrine that asserted that it was just for them to take Polish land for Germans to live on. The parallels are fair, if you open your eyes. On the global stage, Israel never fails to prove that it is one of the most racist and childish nations, despite the fact that they ought to be grateful that they even have a Jewish homeland to begin with.
[QUOTE=PolarEventide;43152235]But the Israeli government was caught supporting a program that coerced Palestinians into an operation where they would then be sterilized without giving consent. Israeli soldiers have also on numerous accounts brutally beaten and killed Palestinians for no good cause. The Israeli government also encroaches on Palestinian land, claiming that Israeli Jews deserve to live on the land, which is not that different than Lebensraum, the Nazi doctrine that asserted that it was just for them to take Polish land for Germans to live on. The parallels are fair, if you open your eyes. On the global stage, Israel never fails to prove that it is one of the most racist and childish nations, despite the fact that they ought to be grateful that they even have a Jewish homeland to begin with.[/QUOTE] Comparing Israel to Nazi Germany is pretty disgusting. They are hardly comparable.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;43152278]Comparing Israel to Nazi Germany is pretty disgusting. They are hardly comparable.[/QUOTE] Nazi Germany was, of course, infinitely worse. It is not unfair, however, to point out that Israel has over the decades implemented programs and committed acts that are not different than the nationalist policies of Nazi Germany, nor is it unfair to then point out the irony behind this, considering that Israel was established in direct response to the atrocities of the Holocaust.
[QUOTE=PolarEventide;43152433]Nazi Germany was, of course, infinitely worse. It is not unfair, however, to point out that Israel has over the decades implemented programs and committed acts that are not different than the nationalist policies of Nazi Germany, nor is it unfair to then point out the irony behind this, considering that Israel was established in direct response to the atrocities of the Holocaust.[/QUOTE] It wasn't. The creation of the state of Israel had been on the table for years before Hitler even got anywhere near power.
There are allot worse places than Israel out there, and I don't see three threads about them every day. It's kinda hypocritical.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;43152485]It wasn't. The creation of the state of Israel had been on the table for years before Hitler even got anywhere near power.[/QUOTE] The Holocaust was essentially the last straw that led to its creation. I'm not saying that it wasn't on the table before.
[QUOTE=PolarEventide;43152639]The Holocaust was essentially the last straw that led to its creation. I'm not saying that it wasn't on the table before.[/QUOTE] But Israel wasn't established because of the holocaust. Jews had been immigrating to that part of the Ottoman Empire for centuries before Israel was created, with it accelerating in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. The British supported the creation of a Zionist state during WW1 as the Ottoman Empire crumbled and at the end of WW2 the population of Jews had swollen to make up about a third of that area. Civil unrest and fighting kept breaking out, and eventually a full blown civil war broke out (Initially with Israel on the defensive before going on the offensive). After this, Israel basically formed as a state and had to fight off several invasions by their neighbors. Israel wasn't formed because of the holocaust, it was already gradually coming into existence because so many Jews had been immigrating there and the British were trying to meditate the growing crisis between the Jews and Arabs there.
I was severely confused the whole first half of reading the article because I read the title as "Israel passes law aimed at deterring African Midgets"
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