Iran blinds acid attacker in ‘eye for an eye’ punishment
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[QUOTE]An Iranian man convicted of blinding another man in an acid attack was blinded in one eye himself this week in the government’s literal application of the Biblical law of retaliation.
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[QUOTE]It marked the first time Iran has carried out such a punishment, according to The Guardian.
Under Sharia law in Iran, retribution for crimes against persons is allowed, but clemency is encouraged. Victims and their families have the final say in such matters and punishments can be stopped.
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[URL="http://www.timesofisrael.com/iran-blinds-acid-attacker-in-eye-for-an-eye-punishment/"]Source[/URL]
That's pretty metal.
Well, I'd imagine that's one hell of a deterrent. It's hopelessly cruel, though, and probably isn't an effective punishment in the long term.
It didn't go into detail about how his eye was gouged out. Wonder if they anesthetized him, or just sort of held him down and cut it out. Knowing the way Iran works, I'm guessing the latter.
Bet that was the last thing he saw coming.
This really shouldn't be said but an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind, this is painfully backwards.
hey that was illegal so now we're going to do it to you
As much as I don't like this eye for an eye thing, I then remember that most acid attacks are usually fucking petty things such as a guy blinding a girl who refused to marry him and I lose all sympathy for the bastard.
Actually it's more of an "eye for some eyes" situation
this is not good
[QUOTE=Instant Mix;47270000]This really shouldn't be said but an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind, this is painfully backwards.[/QUOTE]
Sometimes you have to take a step back before you move forward.
Do they rape rapists too?
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;47270280]Sometimes you have to take a step back before you move forward.[/QUOTE]
Meaningless platitude
[QUOTE=urbanmonkey;47270009]hey that was illegal so now we're going to do it to you[/QUOTE]
It's also illegal to sequestrate people, so should criminals never be imprisoned?
I mean I don't agree with blinding as a punishment but this is a pretty dumb comment.
[QUOTE=Hoffa1337;47270287]Do they rape rapists too?[/QUOTE]
No they cut it off :<
[QUOTE=Kljunas;47270320]It's also illegal to sequestrate people, so should criminals never be imprisoned?
I mean I don't agree with blinding as a punishment but this is a pretty dumb comment.[/QUOTE]
If he made that argument against a guy who kidnapped kids and kept them in a cellar, it would be a dumb comment.
However, this is about the Iranian government forcibly making a guy blind.
Don't take things out of context like this.
As much as I would typically argue endlessly against these types of punishments, it is quite satisfying to know that he was blinded for blinding someone else. I wonder if there will be further punishment as well, such as the base blindness as well as prison time.
If they blinded him and released him, though, it's almost a given that he's now going to go and kill his victim and get killed for it.
[QUOTE=Instant Mix;47270000]This really shouldn't be said but an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind, this is painfully backwards.[/QUOTE]
I don't get this. An eye for an eye means you have two people each missing an eye.
[QUOTE=Deng;47270466]I don't get this. An eye for an eye means you have two people each missing an eye.[/QUOTE]
Solution, If A blinds B, then A should have their legs cut off so that B has to wheel them around, now they both have to learn to get on with each other and live in peace.
[QUOTE=Deng;47270466]I don't get this. An eye for an eye means you have two people each missing an eye.[/QUOTE]
calm down drax. it means an eye for an eye is a stupid, backwards system that doesn't accomplish shit
[QUOTE=Uberpro;47270378]If he made that argument against a guy who kidnapped kids and kept them in a cellar, it would be a dumb comment.
However, this is about the Iranian government forcibly making a guy blind.
Don't take things out of context like this.[/QUOTE]
If the punishment being similar to the crime is what makes it wrong, then imprisoning abductors is wrong as well.
I'm just applying his reasoning to other situations. If it doesn't work then it's not good reasoning.
[QUOTE=Kljunas;47270608]If the punishment being similar to the crime is what makes it wrong, then imprisoning abductors is wrong as well.
I'm just applying his reasoning to other situations. If it doesn't work then it's not good reasoning.[/QUOTE]
abductors don't abduct people with the intent being to rehabilitate them
usually it's to rape, torture or kill them
[QUOTE=Deng;47270466]I don't get this. An eye for an eye means you have two people each missing an eye.[/QUOTE]
It's just another meaningless, overused phrase Gandhi popularized that people like to use now to sound philosophically and ethically sophisticated/intelligent in place of making rational arguments to support their position-- because rational arguments take effort to formulate and, given that most people are overly-opinionated bastards, they are neither willing to put forth this effort that's necessary nor are they really even sure why eye for an eye punishments are wrong on a rational level; they just think they're wrong because they makes them uncomfortable and probably also because saying they're wrong makes them feel morally and ethically superior and gives them a chance to climb aboard their 500-foot tall high horses to polish their halos.
And again, Gandhi said it, so therefore it must be valid... because Gandhi...
...despite the fact that when you examine many of these nations that use harsh punishments for murder, assault, theft, drug trafficking, etc. (such as Iran or Saudi Arabia or Singapore), you'll discover that overall they actually have pretty low crime rates and Gandhi was wrong; Saudi Arabia has one of the lowest murder rates in the world actually, and theft is also rare.
But that's to be expected when the punishment for murder is some sort of brutal death sentence and theft will result in you losing one or maybe both of your hands.
Cruel punishments work. These countries prove they do. Problem is, they're also run by corrupt dictatorial/theocratic/whatever governments, and that leads to people unfortunately being punished ridiculously and unfairly for stupid things like witchcraft, adultery, homosexuality, speaking their minds about policies they disagree with, etc. And that's the worst problem with them.
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An eye for an eye [i]does not[/i] make the whole world blind. Stop fucking saying that it does.
It did however make this loathesome cunt blind for what he did to this poor man. Which is alright. He's not going to do it again, that's for sure.
[QUOTE=Govna;47270758]It did however make this loathesome cunt blind for what he did to this poor woman. Which is alright. He's not going to do it again, that's for sure.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]An Iranian man convicted of blinding another [B] man[/B][/QUOTE]
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An eye for an eye [i]does not[/i] make the whole world blind. Stop fucking saying that it does.
It did however make this [B]loathesome cunt[/B] blind for what he did to this poor [B]woman[/B]. Which is alright. He's not going to do it again, that's for sure.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]The man in question was not identified but, according to the report, [B]medics gouged out his left eye[/B] at Rajai-Shahr prison in the city of Karaj, northwest of the capital Tehran.
The man was found guilty of throwing acid in the face of[B] another man[/B] five years ago in the city of Qom. [B]He was sentenced to have both his eyes removed, serve a prison sentence of 10 years and pay a fine[/B].
On Tuesday, [B]his victim decided to postpone the loss of his right eye by six months[/B]. He will be allowed to plead to keep his remaining eye, according to the report. [/QUOTE]
I'm not sure where you're getting some "poor woman" from, and given that there is literally no context to the situation at all it's pretty ridiculous to just go on spewing hate at some random man with whom you don't know any details of the events that occurred or whether or not he was even rightfully convicted. no one is riding a high horse here, its just that a majority of people aren't psychos with a gore fetish running around advocating dismemberment and eye gouging for every other person convicted of a crime
[QUOTE=Uberpro;47270378]If he made that argument against a guy who kidnapped kids and kept them in a cellar, it would be a dumb comment.
However, this is about the Iranian government forcibly making a guy blind.[/QUOTE]
Why would that be a dumb comment but not this? What's the fundamental difference between imprisoning a kidnapper and blinding someone who blinded someone else? Either way the state is using as a punishment an act that it considers a crime, but considering the basis of any social contract is that use of force is delegated to the state, it's not inherently hypocritical.
Obviously it's a barbaric and Medieval punishment but I don't see what it matters that the state is using as a punishment what is a crime for an individual.
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Cruel punishments work.[/QUOTE]
Remind me how the war on drugs is going
[QUOTE=Govna;47270758]...despite the fact that when you examine many of these nations that use harsh punishments for murder, assault, theft, drug trafficking, etc. (such as Iran or Saudi Arabia or Singapore), you'll discover that overall they actually have pretty low crime rates and Gandhi was wrong; Saudi Arabia has one of the lowest murder rates in the world actually, and theft is also rare.[/QUOTE]
what AMAZING examples of functional societies you have there. truly the greatest civilizations under the sun would be lucky to even meet the glorious legacy of saudia arabia
[QUOTE=hrak;47270634]abductors don't abduct people with the intent being to rehabilitate them
usually it's to rape, torture or kill them[/QUOTE]
To be fair, so does the US prison system. Torture, rape, and murder is such an expected and regular occurrence in US prisons that it is basically taken as a given. People cheer for it. If I had a nickle for every time I heard, "at least he won't last long in prison," or, "I hope he gets made somebody's bitch" or what-have-you.
It's not to say our justice system is anywhere near as bad as Iran's, the judges aren't exactly making a habit of gouging out eyes, but we still have a long way to go before we're up to the modern standards set by, say, Norway.
[QUOTE=VIOLATION_SNG;47270830]I'm not sure where you're getting some "poor woman" from, and given that there is literally no context to the situation at all it's pretty ridiculous to just go on spewing hate at some random man with whom you don't know any details of the events that occurred or whether or not he was even rightfully convicted. no one is riding a high horse here, its just that a majority of people aren't psychos with a gore fetish running around advocating dismemberment and eye gouging for every other person convicted of a crime[/QUOTE]
Autocorrect. I'm on a phone.
Also, he poured acid onto this guy's face. It's clear he did it-- he didn't throw it and run. And as a result, the victim lost an eye and an ear.
[url]http://metro.co.uk/2015/03/06/surgeon-gouges-out-iranian-mans-eye-as-punishment-for-acid-attack-5092033/[/url]
[QUOTE=Cone;47270902]what AMAZING examples of functional societies you have there. truly the greatest civilizations under the sun would be lucky to even meet the glorious legacy of saudia arabia[/QUOTE]
The President of the United States walks onto the senate floor, adjusts his tie, and says, "Gentlemen, what can we do to go about being more like Saudi Arabia?"
"Finally!" Sighs the GOP.
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