Geoengineers Will Release Tons of Sun-Reflecting Chemicals Into the Air Above New Mexico
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[QUOTE]Even if they can be a major disaster for people nearby them, volcanoes do one good thing: helping to cool the planet by sending sun-reflecting chemicals into the stratosphere. Now two Harvard engineers are trying to replicate the better part of the volcanic process on a small scale by spraying thousands of tons of sulfate aerosols into the atmosphere above New Mexico.
Within a year, the researchers, David Keith (who manages a multimillion dollar geoengineering research fund from Bill Gates) and James Anderson, will release the chemicals from a balloon 80,000 feet above Fort Sumner, then measure the effects on the ozone's chemistry. (To answer the big question: no, this can't be pulled off in a lab.) This will be a test, not a full-on attempt to stop climate change, the researchers say, and it won't have any major effects on the environment.
Nonetheless, [url=http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2012-06/climate-change-has-hit-earth-hard-now-what]geoengineering strategies like this are controversial[/url], to say the least.[/quote]
Source: [url]http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2012-07/engineers-will-release-tons-chemicals-atmosphere-study-climate-change[/url]
Wonder how long before someone makes a conspiracy about it.
GOVERNMENT IS TRYING TO POISON US!
[QUOTE=OvB;36844718]Wonder how long before someone makes a conspiracy about it.
GOVERNMENT IS TRYING TO POISON US![/QUOTE]
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wake up sheeple there are no clouds in new mexico.. fight hte nwo
I know this is just a test run, but human intervention in climate change couldn't possibly go wrong, right guys? :downs:
this is clearly a front for putting mind-controlling chemicals into the atmosphere
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;36844750]I know this is just a test run, but human intervention in climate change couldn't possibly go wrong, right guys? :downs:[/QUOTE]
It worked in the Matrix. The machines lost their power source. :v:
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;36844750]I know this is just a test run, but human intervention in climate change couldn't possibly go wrong, right guys? :downs:[/QUOTE]
Doing nothing is still a choice, and a bad one.
Its like that episode of jimmy neutron where he accidentally blocked out the sun making it a new ice age.
This is a great idea. Fight the sun by using its own power against it!
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[QUOTE=codemaster85;36844772]Its like that episode of jimmy neutron where he accidentally blocked out the sun making it a new ice age.[/QUOTE]
yeah, with the sunblock or whatever.
couldn't they do this in Georgia? kinda fucked up that New Mexico is cooler than Georgia right now.
Definitely interesting. Once we come to the point of knowing enough about our atmosphere that any average joe can simulate things like climate change, severe weather, etc, then it'll definitely be a breaking point for science research.
x-files gas
aliens
run
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yeah, with the sunblock or whatever.[/QUOTE]
[img]http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2011/03/24/article-1300967395259-0B51081000000578-763162_466x310.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;36844771]Doing nothing is still a choice, and a bad one.[/QUOTE]
Considering all of the evidence that points to this being a warming period in the earth's cycle, doing something to smooth it out may not actually be in our best interest. By all means investigate it, but before you flood our atmosphere and potentially change the entire climate of our planet (intefering with a cycle of hot/cold that has gone on for hundreds of millions of years), please know every single facet of what the fuck you're doing.
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;36844864]Considering all of the evidence that points to this being a warming period in the earth's cycle[/QUOTE]
[citation needed]
Accidental human induced ice age please. Snow day forever.
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;36844864]Considering all of the evidence that points to this being a warming period in the earth's cycle, doing something to smooth it out may not actually be in our best interest. By all means investigate it, but before you flood our atmosphere and potentially change the entire climate of our planet (intefering with a cycle of hot/cold that has gone on for hundreds of millions of years), please know every single facet of what the fuck you're doing.[/QUOTE]Umm, people HAVE been studying climate change for decades now. And it's not like they don't release this research for everyone to understand, so many people just deny it's happening, companies basically FLOOD money into climate-change denialism campaigns since they don't want people to blame them (whether or not it is their fault, they don't want the blame, it's corporate logic) and at the same time are fighting against any environmental protection agencies since they end up making them do things that cost them more money.
Global warming isn't happening because of humans anyways, it's mostly because the Earth is warming up by itself, the methane released by dinosaur feces contributed more to global warming back in those days than the carbon emissions made by our cars, etc does today, if the Earth is warming up by itself we shouldn't really mess with it.
[QUOTE=DeanWinchester;36844953]Global warming isn't happening because of humans anyways, it's mostly because the Earth is warming up by itself, the methane released by dinosaur feces contributed more to global warming back in those days than the carbon emissions made by our cars, etc does today, if the Earth is warming up by itself we shouldn't really mess with it.[/QUOTE]
[citation needed]
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i'm actually quite dismayed at how far the "climate change is real but not manmade" meme has spread. I guess because it lets people raise themselves above the warring scientists and denialists and condescendingly say "now, now, you're both as bad as each other".
it's agnosticism gone mad.
[QUOTE=DeanWinchester;36844953]Global warming isn't happening because of humans anyways, it's mostly because the Earth is warming up by itself, the methane released by dinosaur feces contributed more to global warming back in those days than the carbon emissions made by our cars, etc does today, if the Earth is warming up by itself we shouldn't really mess with it.[/QUOTE]
The one thing contributing to climate change the most is simple water vapor and we are producing more than enough with our planes alone.
On a second note, CO2 almost doubled within 100 years while we were burning stuff like mad.
The last time this happened it took about 10k years.
So they can make chemicals to repel the power of the Sun but I can't find a decent tab of acid anywhere. Priorities, people!
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;36845265]So they can make chemicals to repel the power of the Sun but I can't find a decent tab of acid anywhere. Priorities, people![/QUOTE]
when you have a degree in chemistry there are more interesting things to make than acid
[QUOTE=DeanWinchester;36844953]Global warming isn't happening because of humans anyways, it's mostly because the Earth is warming up by itself, the methane released by dinosaur feces contributed more to global warming back in those days than the carbon emissions made by our cars, etc does today, if the Earth is warming up by itself we shouldn't really mess with it.[/QUOTE]Good job re-reading the manufacturing industries super-scientifically based findings.
Actually here is some ice core data that dates about a few thousand years
[img]http://www.daviesand.com/Choices/Precautionary_Planning/New_Data/IceCores1.gif[/img]
and here is some from Mauna Loa
[img]http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/co2/graphics/SIOMLOINSITUTHRU2008.JPG[/img]
So in about 50 years it raised around 100 ppmv.
The last time(before human industry) this happened ( around 30k years ago) it took around 10k years.
Now if you look at that, CO2 was at an all-time low at around 180 ppvm that time so we can savely assume that rising the levels of that was even EASIER back when we were still clubbing each other in caves, which makes the comparison even stronger.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;36845300]when you have a degree in chemistry there are more interesting things to make than acid[/QUOTE]
It's still fun to make that kind of stuff...
I have a bottle of Lidocaine that I synthesized...
I mean what the fuck how can you even deny that huge spark at the end it's so straight up it's barely visible holy fuck people are dense.
I find it funny that everyone jumps on the bandwaggon without analysing everything first, I never said the CO2 concentration wasn't going above normal, but if you notice in that graph other than the temperature variation going up and down at regular intervals it's almost on the same level as it was on the last warm period the Earth had, oh and because I also like to provide sources for my claims:
[url]http://inhabitat.com/dinosaur-farts-may-have-caused-the-last-global-warming/[/url]
There are plenty others just search google, I'm not saying we shouldn't do something about it, decreasing carbon emissions would be a good thing not only for the environment but for the health of everyone, what I'm saying is that it isn't the major cause of global warming, we're on a warm cycle and methane released by animals helps too. I'm not so sure we should just turn on the "atmospheric air conditioner" without proper research first.
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;36844750]I know this is just a test run, but human intervention in climate change couldn't possibly go wrong, right guys? :downs:[/QUOTE]
We already raped the climate with a fire poker since hundread years ago, and won't stop doing it by our casual existence anytime soon. Why not try to fix the harm we do?
That graph that shows CO2 going up and then temperature going up is actually a bit weird...
When scaled out on that huge scale it looks like CO2 goes up which causes a temperature increase...
However, when put on a smaller scale you actually see that temperature goes up and then CO2 is increased. So CO2 increases because of temperature not the other way around.
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;36844864]Considering all of the evidence that points to this being a warming period in the earth's cycle, doing something to smooth it out may not actually be in our best interest. By all means investigate it, but before you flood our atmosphere and potentially change the entire climate of our planet (intefering with a cycle of hot/cold that has gone on for hundreds of millions of years), please know every single facet of what the fuck you're doing.[/QUOTE]
Because professionals would just press buttons and fuck up the entire fucking planet
That's not how it works
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