• Poachers poison 90 elephants with cyanide in Zimbabwe wildlife park
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[url]http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/25/20689560-poachers-poison-90-elephants-with-cyanide-in-zimbabwe-wildlife-park?lite[/url] [QUOTE]Almost 90 elephants have been slaughtered by poachers who poisoned them with industrial cyanide, authorities in Zimbabwe said Wednesday. Rangers in the Hwange National Park discovered the carcasses of more than 40 of the gentle giants earlier this month and they continue to find bodies in recent weeks.[/QUOTE] The quest for Ivory is insane. Is farming Ivory even possible?
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;42306367]The quest for Ivory is insane. Is farming Ivory even possible?[/QUOTE] Ivory is the teeth and tusks of all mammals. I don't see how it would be farmed though. [editline]25th September 2013[/editline] Actually I just had it. How about we get the poachers and take all of their teeth out - that should be enough to cover a bit at least.
Goddamn poachers. At least they arrested some of them.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;42306367]The quest for Ivory is insane. Is farming Ivory even possible?[/QUOTE] Other than letting the herds grow and waiting for some of them to die of natural causes, then getting the tusks? Not really. [QUOTE=Stopper;42306404]Actually I just had it. How about we get the poachers and take all of their teeth out - that should be enough to cover a bit at least.[/QUOTE] There are some countries that implement a shoot on sight policy for poaching. If I remember correctly, it's actually pretty effective.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;42306367]The quest for Ivory is insane. Is farming Ivory even possible?[/QUOTE] The elephants are decades old. You could farm ivory, but you would literally have to feed an elephant for decades to get a single pair of tusks. The price of ivory from that source would be leagues and leagues higher than what the (already expensive as fuck) ivory costs.
[QUOTE=Last or First;42306423]Goddamn poachers. At least they arrested some of them.[/QUOTE] I hate less the poachers and more the people that create the demand for ivory. It's not like the poachers have a big choice of carreers.
[QUOTE=Last or First;42306423]Goddamn poachers. At least they arrested some of them.[/QUOTE] If you were starving to death in an economic failure of a country like Zimbabwe, desperately looking for a way to earn enough money to live, I doubt you'd care much for the elephants either.
[QUOTE=catbarf;42306639]If you were starving to death in an economic failure of a country like Zimbabwe, desperately looking for a way to earn enough money to live, I doubt you'd care much for the elephants either.[/QUOTE] Considering how much ivory goes for on the black market, I'm pretty sure whoever is selling it is far from starving.
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;42306714]Considering how much ivory goes for on the black market, I'm pretty sure whoever is selling it is far from starving.[/QUOTE] Money disappears fast when you don't know how to manage it :v:
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;42306714]Considering how much ivory goes for on the black market, I'm pretty sure whoever is selling it is far from starving.[/QUOTE] The dirt-poor Africans who harvest the ivory aren't the ones making lots of money. They get paid chump change compared to the cut that the smugglers who get it out of country and then fences who actually sell it get. You can find plenty of examples in Kenya and Tanzania of poachers going up against game wardens because they're desperate and largely out of options, even though they're virtually guaranteed to lose.
[QUOTE=catbarf;42306954]The dirt-poor Africans who harvest the ivory aren't the ones making lots of money. They get paid chump change compared to the cut that the smugglers who get it out of country and then fences who actually sell it get. You can find plenty of examples in Kenya and Tanzania of poachers going up against game wardens because they're desperate and largely out of options, even though they're virtually guaranteed to lose.[/QUOTE] I think it's the fence and the smugglers who need to be persecuted the most.
[QUOTE=catbarf;42306954]The dirt-poor Africans who harvest the ivory aren't the ones making lots of money. They get paid chump change compared to the cut that the smugglers who get it out of country and then fences who actually sell it get. You can find plenty of examples in Kenya and Tanzania of poachers going up against game wardens because they're desperate and largely out of options, even though they're virtually guaranteed to lose.[/QUOTE] Look closely at the context my friend
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;42307334]Look closely at the context my friend[/QUOTE] I'm afraid you've lost me. Are you referring to the fact that it's Zimbabwe rather than either of the two countries I listed? I was using them as examples, Kenya in particular, because they have active and effective game wardens comparable to paramilitary forces, and so someone would have to be extremely desperate to fight them. It's no different in Zimbabwe, if the poachers were taking a cut anything like what the tusks are worth then they'd be done after five or ten elephants and would be able to just cut and run. It's the people getting the ivory out of country and the people who then sell it that need the most scrutiny, I think. Preventing people from hunting rhinos and elephants is a lost cause as long as it's profitable. Edit: Or did you just mean whoever's selling it as opposed to the people procuring it? In that case my point still stands.
[QUOTE=catbarf;42306954]The dirt-poor Africans who harvest the ivory aren't the ones making lots of money. They get paid chump change compared to the cut that the smugglers who get it out of country and then fences who actually sell it get. You can find plenty of examples in Kenya and Tanzania of poachers going up against game wardens because they're desperate and largely out of options, even though they're virtually guaranteed to lose.[/QUOTE] these people had enough money to get enough industrial cyanide to poison an entire water hole for weeks; I'm pretty certain they chose their profession rather than being forced into it.
Misread it as 90%, would have been far worse
Stuff like this makes me feel bad about the (presumably) ivory weed case I have sitting in front of me. Then I realise that I bought it off some random guy at a festival, and I doubt that cash made it back to africa.
Still, 90 elephants is a MASSIVE amount. There really aren't that many left when you get down to it... In 20 or 30 years haven't the total amount left in the wild gone from over a million to just a few hundred thousand or so? Also I recall I think that Louis Theroux did a documentary on poaching in Africa didn't he? I seem to recall the bloke in charge basically having no excuse as to why he actually still did it, and eventually just started threatening Louis because he couldn't come up with any kind of justification. I don't think it was specifically about Elephants, but it was very interesting to watch despite being such a sad thing to see. Everyone should watch that documentary, it's an eye-opener.
god i hate poachers
Fucking chinese need to stop giving these poachers a market to sell Ivory to. It's not going to make your dick bigger/ give you vitality god damn it
[QUOTE=catbarf;42306639]If you were starving to death in an economic failure of a country like Zimbabwe, desperately looking for a way to earn enough money to live, I doubt you'd care much for the elephants either.[/QUOTE] If they're that desperate for food why wouldn't they instead kill the elephants with a different method and then eat the elephants use every part of the buffalo so to speak that reminds me they have cape buffalo, right [I]those[/I] aren't endangered new plan eat those
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