Brexit: Tabloids frothing at the mouth over High Court ruling
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[URL="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-legal-challenges-judges-daily-mail-express-sun-uk-newspapers-condemned-a7396961.html"]Source.[/URL]
[QUOTE]British newspapers have been widely condemned for coverage in the aftermath of a High Court ruling that is expected to see Brexit delayed.
Three senior judges ruled on Thursday that Theresa May cannot trigger Article 50, and the withdrawal from the European Union, without a vote in Parliament. The trio said the government and Crown had “no power to alter the law of the land by use of its prerogative powers”.
But a selection of media accused the judges of interfering with democracy, prompting a furious response from lawyers, politicians and journalists. The Daily Mail came in for particular criticism, with many claiming it was inciting hatred with its front page story, which carried the headline 'Enemies of the people', alongside images of the three judges.
Schona Jolly, a human rights and equalities barrister from Cloisters Chambers, said anyone questioning "our powerfully democratic traditions" should "read the judgement".
"This hostile and abusive attack on the judges is an attack on the rule of law," she told The Independent.[/QUOTE]
Saw the headlines whilst getting some shopping done yesterday and couldn't help but chuckle. It'd be hilarious if it wasn't for the fact that there are people out there who take the contents of this trash seriously. Bearing in mind these are the same kind of papers that blame immigration for all of the country's problems (and yes, there is an issue with migrants but it's not the biggest nor the only issue) as a way of distracting from issues in government whilst the man who owns and directs one of these papers isn't even fucking British to begin with, ironically.
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And let's not forget that they're conveniently ignoring how the current party doesn't even have a majority vote with a PM nobody ever "voted" for.
One of them was an OPENLY GAY ex-Olympic FENCER
#hangthemhigh
I can't really blame the newspapers for appealing to morons. The problem is with the baby boomer readers who lap this shit up.
[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;51311912]Where the fuck is the professional journalism when you need it.[/QUOTE]
Certainly not in the gutter press.
Tabloids really ought to be banned, sometimes.
man the more shit that this country pulls the more tempted i am to just fuckin leave. some of it sounds like a fucking call to arms against judges, this is just shit.
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This is basically trying to incite a pogrom
Rise up against the oppressors, brainwashed supporters!
No surprise the leave side and anybody on them are furious that this happened to jeopardize all the gains they made out of Brexit, which was based off of a pack of lies anyway, and for that alone they all deserve to be locked in a jail cell to rot.
This is a very simple concept to understand. The referendum is a non-binding vote. Forget the referendum even happened, pretend it never existed because it has no affect on laws.
Theresa May can't leave the EU on her own. She needs a parliamentary vote. No body is stopping Brexit from happening.
people have the right to get pissed of if they democratically voted for something and now it may not be enacted. Im sorry for the people that are against this but its how democracy works you cant just sit back with a blind eye when its something you dont agree with.
[QUOTE=Evanstr;51312081]people have the right to get pissed of if they democratically voted for something and now it may not be enacted. Im sorry for the people that are against this but its how democracy works you cant just sit back with a blind eye when its something you dont agree with.[/QUOTE]
Honestly I think mps should vote how their constituencies did (I.e. my MP should vote to stay in because his constituents did).
[QUOTE=Evanstr;51312081]tbh people have the right to be pissed if a democratic vote gets over turned because a few people lost the vote.[/QUOTE]
The reason Leave won is because while both campaigns were utter shit, leave used dirty tactics to win people over using lies and rhetoric such as that used by Michael "Britain is tired of experts" Gove. The other issue is that they did not use a clear majority (2/3) as the victory condition. If you're so insecure in leaving it to the wish of the people in the taking of a democratic decision, you don't add your input to the playbook by using dirty tactics to win a vote. It's a third rate form of politics practiced only by those intent on winning at any cost, never mind the fact that Pigfucker Cameron never believed that Brexit would even happen, but exploited the idea solely for his own gain. If you're going to make a good informed decision in a direct democracy, you need to have all the facts at your disposal, not lies circulated and reinforced by scum. This is another reason why some things should not be directly voted on in a referendum, period - this is why a representative democracy is superior to direct decisions except for elections, because surprise, sometimes the experts know better than Joe Bloggs working his day job.
Brexit isnt magically going to just affect the 48% of those who voted remain, but the entire population will now suffer for 10 years if it actually happens. The immediate aftermath was shocking enough financially and politically worldwide. Think about the hardship the entire population of the UK will have to endure because of the small minded stupidity of those who peddled a bunch of lies for political gain, and then come back to me about this being a "victory of democracy."
[QUOTE=Evanstr;51312081]people have the right to get pissed of if they democratically voted for something and now it may not be enacted. Im sorry for the people that are against this but its how democracy works you cant just sit back with a blind eye when its something you dont agree with.[/QUOTE]
It's funny how people will forsake democracy when it flies in the face of their agenda.
[QUOTE=Evanstr;51312081]people have the right to get pissed of if they democratically voted for something and now it may not be enacted. Im sorry for the people that are against this but its how democracy works you cant just sit back with a blind eye when its something you dont agree with.[/QUOTE]
That's what happens when it's an extremely even non-binding vote.
[QUOTE=Evanstr;51312081]people have the right to get pissed of if they democratically voted for something and now it may not be enacted. Im sorry for the people that are against this but its how democracy works you cant just sit back with a blind eye when its something you dont agree with.[/QUOTE]
The referendum was basically a poll. It had no legal affect.
[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51312114]It's funny how people will forsake democracy when it flies in the face of their agenda.[/QUOTE]
A true application of democracy would have happened if both sides played by the actual rulebook. You can bang on about it all you like, but I cannot accept something that took place as a direct result of misinformation and lies spread by one side of the campaign for their own ends. I would be equally upset if Remain had used the same playbook, because I don't believe that deliberately lying to your electorate to secure their support is legitimate political tactics anybody with a conscience should be using.
Also this referendum has no real legal effect.
[QUOTE=MrBacon;51312117]That's what happens when it's an extremely even non-binding vote.[/QUOTE]
A vote is a vote, Brexit won and the government should do what the majority of the citizens clearly wanted.
I really dont understand how people can defend something which is un-democratic while just hiding behind a thin facade of excuses and reasons.
They will still vote Leave, and it will probably end up with Hard Brexit regardless, I hope the Supreme Court rules with the government.
[QUOTE=Evanstr;51312081]people have the right to get pissed of if they democratically voted for something and now it may not be enacted. Im sorry for the people that are against this but its how democracy works you cant just sit back with a blind eye when its something you dont agree with.[/QUOTE]
These judges ruled that the cabinet cannot use an executive order to overturn an act of parliament. These judges have protected democracy.
I will forever be amazed at the British and other foreign skepticism around the non-existant "tyranny of EU", the kind of power of which the UK has(or atleast had until Brexit referendum) it hands on since its inception.
It's all so silly.
[editline]5th November 2016[/editline]
All this because of Corbyn's petty vendetta with the EU Parliament
[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51312114]It's funny how people will forsake democracy when it flies in the face of their agenda.[/QUOTE]
The biggest argument against democracy is looking at the general public. Look across the globe and you'll see why. Let specialists elected by the public decide. Not Terry from down the pub.
It's no different to letting the general public legislate law. It doesn't work because it's all more complex than most of the general public can. understand. Especially with all the misinformation floating around.
[QUOTE=Evanstr;51312131]A vote is a vote, Brexit won and the government should do what the majority of the citizens clearly wanted.
I really dont understand how people can defend something which is un-democratic while just hiding behind a thin facade of excuses and reasons.[/QUOTE]
This country is not a direct democracy. Getting a tiny percentage lead in a single referendum is a flimsy mandate to go through with a decision as huge as leaving the EU.
If we let the public decide our laws we'd be hanging shoplifters from street lamps, you can't trust the public to make good decisions.
[QUOTE=Evanstr;51312131]A vote is a vote, Brexit won and the government should do what the majority of the citizens clearly wanted.
I really dont understand how people can defend something which is un-democratic while just hiding behind a thin facade of excuses and reasons.[/QUOTE]
then you don't understand the political system of the uk.
the elected cabinet should never have the power to bypass parliament.
[QUOTE=Evanstr;51312131]A vote is a vote, Brexit won and the government should do what the majority of the citizens clearly wanted.
I really dont understand how people can defend something which is un-democratic while just hiding behind a thin facade of excuses and reasons.[/QUOTE]
The government does want to push forward based on the results on the referendum, but at the moment it has no legal way to bypass parliament. You can't really call that "undemocratic" when the cabinet wants to ignore hundreds of years worth of parliamentary sovereignty.
[QUOTE=Evanstr;51312081]people have the right to get pissed of if they democratically voted for something and now it may not be enacted. Im sorry for the people that are against this but its how democracy works you cant just sit back with a blind eye when its something you dont agree with.[/QUOTE]
did you see the part where it said non-binding?
Worth pointing out that even [URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37882082"]Tory MP Dominic Grieve has likened it to Robert Mugabe's Zimbabwe[/URL].
Tabloids are written by subhumans for subhumans
[QUOTE=Hamsteronfire;51312175]did you see the part where it said non-binding?[/QUOTE]
Yes I did but all I am saying is all parts of a government should let something that was democratically voted in through because it is the peoples choice.
And thanks wiggles and others for pointing out a few things I did not know.
[QUOTE=Evanstr;51312131]A vote is a vote, Brexit won and the government should do what the majority of the citizens clearly wanted.
I really dont understand how people can defend something which is un-democratic while just hiding behind a thin facade of excuses and reasons.[/QUOTE]
Letting the PM and a small number of people appointed by them (none of who the public directly elected, wasn't that the whole problem with the EU?) do all of the brexit negotiations with no oversight or input from the MPs that people [i]did[/i] vote for is far more undemocratic, which is why it's unlawful.
Why's so undemocratic about letting the house of commons make decisions about how brexit is actually going to work? Calling elected officials carrying out the people's will according to how their constituencies voted "undemocratic" is mind boggling to me
[QUOTE=Evanstr;51312184]Yes I did but all I am saying is all parts of a government should let something that was democratically voted in through because it is the peoples choice.
And thanks wiggles and others for pointing out a few things I did not know.[/QUOTE]
If somebody tells you to jump in a well with a lead weight tied to your feet because they voted that you're supposed to do so, would you do it if there was evidence that many of those who voted that you jump in the well were told you were human garbage who needed to drown, or were paid into voting your death? The analogy's not on the same scale as Brexit, but it has the same principle: people were coerced into voting for a side based off of misinformation.
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