Ohio will allow guns in facilities that serve Alcohol
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[quote]Ohio is on the verge of allowing people with concealed-carry permits to take their firearms into many facilities that serve alcohol, including bars, restaurants, and sports stadiums.
The Republican-controlled legislature passed the legislation this week and sent it to Gov. John Kasich's desk. A spokesman for Kasich, a first-term Republican, has said he would sign it.
Opponents say it will lead to a dangerous mix of booze and firearms.
"What Ohio wants to do is totally different from what we're seeing elsewhere," Brian Malte, director of state legislation for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence in Washington, told the Cleveland Plain Dealer. "It definitely goes a lot further than other states. I would say it goes further also by including sports stadiums, which is a very radical idea."
But supporters say the measure is about allowing people who legally have concealed weapons to carry the firearms into restaurants that happen to serve alcohol, instead of leaving them behind in a vehicle.
"Ohio's concealed handgun licensees already can carry into nearly any burger joint. But if they try to have a hamburger and Coke at a Max & Emma's while armed, they commit a crime," said Jeff Garvas, the president of Ohioans for Concealed Carry, in a opinion article published last month in numerous local publications.
"The only difference between the lawful and criminal act is the presence of a liquor license at a particular restaurant," he said. "That's the simple problem that 'restaurant carry' legislation is designed to fix."
Ohio is among nine states that generally prohibit firearms where alcohol is served and consumed, according to the Legal Community Against Violence, a national public interest law center aimed at preventing gun violence. Eight states allow guns in bars and restaurants, and a dozen states prohibit guns in bars but allow them in at least limited parts of restaurants. The remaining 21 states allow guns in places that serve alcohol.
Columbus Mayor Michael Coleman is urging Kasich to veto the measure.
"As a member of Congress, Gov. Kasich compiled a strong record of standing up to the powerful gun lobby," Coleman said in a statement. "We ask him to do so again today. Gov. Kasich has an opportunity to stand with the overwhelming majority of Ohioans, including police officers, prosecutors, restaurant owners and even gun owners, by vetoing this legislation."
If Kasich signs the bill, state law would no longer prohibit people from carrying their concealed firearms into roughly 17,000 facilities where alcohol is served and consumed, as long as they don't drink. It also would allow a person with the proper permit to have a loaded handgun in a vehicle even if the gun is not secured in a holster or other specified container, as long as the person isn't violating other legal restrictions.
Among the facilities that would be affected are restaurants, bars, sports stadiums, nightclubs, shopping malls and museums. University sports venues apparently would not be affected because properties owned or leased by colleges are among the places where Ohio law generally bans concealed firearms. Such weapons also are prohibited at many government facilities, school areas and places of worship.
Establishments that want to prohibit firearms can still take advantage of the existing law that lets privately owned or leased venues do so. For example, the facilities that are home to Ohio's major professional sports teams plan to continue to ban weapons, for safety reasons.[/quote]
SOURCE: [url]http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/06/18/ohio-set-to-allow-concealed-guns-in-bars-restaurants/#ixzz1PfxuVOAH[/url]
To me this sounds like a bad idea. I am an oponent of gun control in almost all cases, but mixing drunk people and guns can't help anyone.
"Cleetus! I betcha can't shoot that there beer can off of Jebediah's head!"
And then the death rates in Kentucky increase 30%
[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;30551644]"Cleetus! I betcha can't shoot that there beer can off of Jebediah's head!"
And then the death rates in Kentucky increase 30%[/QUOTE]
If only this happened in kentucky, but no, it's ohio.
Well at least it will remain illegal to possess a gun while intoxicated. They didn't go full retard here.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;30551683]Well at least it will remain illegal to possess a gun while intoxicated. They didn't go full retard here.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but who will stop people from coming in and getting drunk with there gun?
GOD has blessed us with the SECOND AMENDMENT, and anyone opposes this is against the SECOND AMENDMENT and therefore against GOD
I will be praying tonight for this law to pass
amen
[QUOTE=JDK721;30551714]GOD has blessed us with the SECOND AMENDMENT, and anyone opposes this is against the SECOND AMENDMENT and therefore against GOD
I will be praying tonight for this law to pass
amen[/QUOTE]
Guns are great, and in places with more guns the murdur rate tends to go down. If you mic them with alcohol though, you have a horrible situation.
[QUOTE='[sluggo];30551712']Yeah, but who will stop people from coming in and getting drunk with there gun?[/QUOTE]
Nothing, but what stopped people from concealed carrying a gun into a bar even when it was illegal?
wild east is here motherfuckers
[QUOTE='[sluggo];30551736']in places with more guns the murdur rate tends to go down.[/QUOTE]
[citation needed]
[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;30551644]"Cleetus! I betcha can't shoot that there beer can off of Jebediah's head!"
And then the death rates in Kentucky increase 30%[/QUOTE]
I'm sure it will be soon enough.
[QUOTE=JDK721;30551772][citation needed][/QUOTE]
It applies to Switzerland but the amount of gun control there is crazy. Tons of people have guns but they all know how to use it, store it, and maintain it properly.
In America any jackass with no clue about guns can go buy one, which is dangerous
[QUOTE=Zeke129;30551796]It applies to Switzerland but the amount of gun control there is crazy. Tons of people have guns but they all know how to use it, store it, and maintain it properly.
In America any jackass with no clue about guns can go buy one, which is dangerous[/QUOTE]
you cannot look at one country and make a bold statement such as "more guns = less murders"
[QUOTE=JDK721;30551772][citation needed][/QUOTE]
The 31 states that have laws allowing private citizens to carry concealed weapons have, on average, a 24 percent lower violent crime rate, a 19 percent lower murder rate and a 39 percent lower robbery rate than states that forbid concealed weapons.
[QUOTE=JDK721;30551845]you cannot look at one country and make a bold statement such as "more guns = less murders"[/QUOTE]
No but you can look at them and say "do what they're doing here = get a result similar to them"
[QUOTE='[sluggo];30551864']The 31 states that have laws allowing private citizens to carry concealed weapons have, on average, a 24 percent lower violent crime rate, a 19 percent lower murder rate and a 39 percent lower robbery rate than states that forbid concealed weapons.[/QUOTE]
that has nothing to do with the statement of "more guns means less murder"
[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;30551644]"Cleetus! I betcha can't shoot that there beer can off of Jebediah's head!"
And then the death rates in Kentucky increase 30%[/QUOTE]
Yeah. I sure it hope death rates in California don't go up too.
[QUOTE=JDK721;30551882]that has nothing to do with the statement of "more guns means less murder"[/QUOTE]
During the years in which the D.C. handgun ban and trigger lock law was in effect, the Washington, D.C. murder rate averaged 73% higher than it was at the outset of the law, while the U.S. murder rate averaged 11% lower.
[QUOTE='[sluggo];30551954']During the years in which the D.C. handgun ban and trigger lock law was in effect, the Washington, D.C. murder rate averaged 73% higher than it was at the outset of the law, while the U.S. murder rate averaged 11% lower.[/QUOTE]
so there couldn't have been any OTHER reasons as to why the murder rate was so high? you're going to just put all the blame on the handgun ban?
that's terrible reasoning
[QUOTE=JDK721;30551995]so there couldn't have been any OTHER reasons as to why the murder rate was so high? you're going to just put all the blame on the handgun ban?
that's terrible reasoning[/QUOTE]
Same year ban was lifted, DC experienced lowest murder rate in 45 years. I'm not saying it is all the same reason, but it does have something to do with it.
i hate gun control but this is just stupid
why would you let people carry guns while getting shitfaced
its stupid things like these that make pro-gun platforms look horribly stupid
[QUOTE='[sluggo];30552026']Same year ban was lifted, DC experienced lowest murder rate in 45 years. I'm not saying it is all the same reason, but it does have something to do with it.[/QUOTE]
you don't have any proof that there was any connection between the murder rate and the gun ban
[editline]18th June 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Kopimi;30552059]i hate gun control but this is just stupid[/QUOTE]
so just let anyone who wants a gun to get one? no regulations at all?
[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;30551644]"Cleetus! I betcha can't shoot that there beer can off of Jebediah's head!"
And then the death rates in Kentucky increase 30%[/QUOTE]
ahuhuhuh making fun of southerners
[i]how current[/i]
southern stupidity is a product of their environment, just like any undereducated and poverty stricken community
making fun of stupid southerners is no better than making fun of uneducated minorities in a ghetto
this is the one place where you shouldnt be allowed to have a gun
People are going to be deterred from shooting a place up if they think other people may be carrying guns as well. Why would someone who wants to do harm not do so because a sign says so?
My redneck government teacher said this was great and later added that he wanted to be able to carry a gun holster in school.
The school board told him no.
[QUOTE=NotoriousSpy;30552502]People are going to be deterred from shooting a place up if they think other people may be carrying guns as well. Why would someone who wants to do harm not do so because a sign says so?[/QUOTE]
normally id agree with you, but people in a bar arent going to be deterred because when youre drunk its a bit hard to make important decisions wisely
[QUOTE=Kopimi;30552059]
why would you let people carry guns while getting shitfaced
its stupid things like these that make pro-gun platforms look horribly stupid[/QUOTE]
This doesn't just apply to bars, this applies to any restaurant or establishment that serves alcohol (IE: a fuckton).
Applebees serves alcohol. Most people don't go to Applebees to get shitfaced.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;30552075]ahuhuhuh making fun of southerners
[i]how current[/i]
southern stupidity is a product of their environment, just like any undereducated and poverty stricken community
making fun of stupid southerners is no better than making fun of uneducated minorities in a ghetto[/QUOTE]
I live in kentucky. If I want to poke fun at my own state, who cares?
[QUOTE=NotoriousSpy;30552502]People are going to be deterred from shooting a place up if they think other people may be carrying guns as well. Why would someone who wants to do harm not do so because a sign says so?[/QUOTE]
They might not want to do harm, but drunk people get into allot of fights and do allot of crazy stuff.
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