• Isis 'jihadi bride' claims forced sex with Yazidi girls is never rape because Koran condones it
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[URL]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/isis-jihadi-bride-claims-forced-sex-with-yazidi-girls-is-never-rape-because-koran-condones-it-10271703.html[/URL] [IMG]http://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/article10016041.ece/alternates/w620/15-Yazidi-Woman-AFP.jpg[/IMG] [quote]A jihadi bride whose husband took a Yazidi girl as a slave has claimed sex with kidnapped women is never rape because it is an Islamic practice inspired by the Prophet himself. In it, the writer claims that taking slaves like the Yazidi women through war (“saby”) is a “great prophetic Sunnah [teachings of Mohamed] containing many divine wisdoms and religious benefits”. Citing select Koran passages and hadiths, Umm Sumayyah wrote that slavery only befalls a people that have “left Allah’s favour” when he “has no need for them”. She lashed out at the vast majority of Muslims around the world who have condemned Isis’ interpretation of Sharia law, massacres and violence. “(A Yazidi woman's) enslavement is in opposition to human rights and copulation with her is rape?!?” she writes dismissively. “We indeed raided and captured the kāfirah (infidel) women, and drove them like sheep by the edge of the sword. And glory belongs to Allah, to His Messenger, and the believers.” Umm Sumayyah claims that converted Yazidi women have been emancipated writing: “She found in Islam what she couldn't find in kufr, despite the slogans of ‘freedom’ and ‘equality’.” It is better to use a Yazidi sex slave than a prostitute in the West, she claims, because prostitutes “openly commit sin”.[/quote] I mean, Quran 33:50
[QUOTE]Yazidi women who converted to Islam were well-treated and “welcomed” by fighters’ families, claiming many abandoned their own religion willingly and without coercion.[/QUOTE] Wow, so much tolerance. Convert or be a Sex Slave. I'm in awe of the the progressive IS.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;47795218]Wow, so much tolerance. Convert or be a Sex Slave. I'm in awe of the the progressive IS.[/QUOTE] Beheading relatives also isn't a form of coercion.
[quote]It is better to use a Yazidi sex slave than a prostitute in the West, she claims, because prostitutes “openly commit sin”.[/quote] Oh sure, NOW it's much better. Until you want to try something kinky and all of a sudden that shit's haram.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;47795492]Oh sure, NOW it's much better. Until you want to try something kinky and all of a sudden that shit's haram.[/QUOTE] one time i wanted to try candy underwear with my gf and she slapped me and said allah damns me to hell
Fuck these people. Seriously, nothing enrages me more than these crazy fuckos infecting the Middle East. They're a blight upon mankind and I cannot understand for the life of me why we aren't taking the formation of what is literally a Terrorist Nation particularly seriously when a discredited rumour of WMDs resulted in a full scale invasion.
[QUOTE=zpiscool;47795575]Fuck these people. Seriously, nothing enrages me more than these crazy fuckos infecting the Middle East. They're a blight upon mankind and I cannot understand for the life of me why we aren't taking the formation of what is literally a Terrorist Nation particularly seriously when a discredited rumour of WMDs resulted in a full scale invasion.[/QUOTE] There's not enough money in it.
[QUOTE=zpiscool;47795575]Fuck these people. Seriously, nothing enrages me more than these crazy fuckos infecting the Middle East. They're a blight upon mankind and I cannot understand for the life of me why we aren't taking the formation of what is literally a Terrorist Nation particularly seriously when a discredited rumour of WMDs resulted in a full scale invasion.[/QUOTE] So if you could declare a war, knowing that there will be men of your country who will not come back home, would you do it? Would you expend the lives of your own countrymen, and the happiness of many others of your countrymen, to try and fight a force that thus far hasn't even majorly influenced your country?
[QUOTE=proch;47795715]So if you could declare a war, knowing that there will be men of your country who will not come back home, would you do it? Would you expend the lives of your own countrymen, and the happiness of many others of your countrymen, to try and fight a force that thus far hasn't even majorly influenced your country?[/QUOTE] On top of this, it's not clear that Western intervention would do anything to resolve the conflict. It would most likely do nothing but kill thousands more and cause even more violence in the future, as it always has. [editline]24th May 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=zach1193;47795644]There's not enough money in it.[/QUOTE] Any ways there would have been to somehow make money in 2003 would still exist today, and probably moreso than before.
[QUOTE=LZTYBRN;47795553]one time i wanted to try candy underwear with my gf and she slapped me and said allah damns me to hell[/QUOTE] That ooooooor yeast infections are a thing and she is questioning your judgement.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;47795492]Oh sure, NOW it's much better. Until you want to try something kinky and all of a sudden that shit's haram.[/QUOTE] God gets mad when you enjoy things
[QUOTE=proch;47795715]So if you could declare a war, knowing that there will be men of your country who will not come back home, would you do it? Would you expend the lives of your own countrymen, and the happiness of many others of your countrymen, to try and fight a force that thus far hasn't even majorly influenced your country?[/QUOTE] Yes. I'm not much of a nationalist, myself. I don't think the people of one nationality are inherently better than those of another.
[QUOTE=elowin;47796907]Yes. I'm not much of a nationalist, myself. I don't think the people of one nationality are inherently better than those of another.[/QUOTE] Middle eastern insurgency groups have always so easily been put down and subdued by western powers.
What a shitty group of people and an even shittier culture they want to impose
Killing members of DAESH can never be murder because the Quran condones that apostates be put to death, and those who support DAESH have turned their back on Muhammad in favour of the false prophet bagdhadi
Why invade when we have an entire generation of cod kids ready for drone warfare.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;47795218]Wow, so much tolerance. Convert or be a Sex Slave. I'm in awe of the the progressive IS.[/QUOTE] is is literally stuck in bce
[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;47798426]is is literally stuck in bce[/QUOTE] Nah man. The year 600 CE.
[QUOTE=zpiscool;47795575]Fuck these people. Seriously, nothing enrages me more than these crazy fuckos infecting the Middle East. They're a blight upon mankind and I cannot understand for the life of me why we aren't taking the formation of what is literally a Terrorist Nation particularly seriously when a discredited rumour of WMDs resulted in a full scale invasion.[/QUOTE] Where do you think these people learnt how to fight? Each foreign-led intervention destroys local economies, motivates the victims towards violence, and trains potential soldiers for warfare. Women are, as is always their fate in conflicts, most vulnerable in perpetual wars. There's a reason why women's well-being in some states of the Middle-east has plummeted since the 50's.
[QUOTE=BLOODGA$M;47798241]Killing members of DAESH can never be murder because the Quran condones that apostates be put to death, and those who support DAESH have turned their back on Muhammad in favour of the false prophet bagdhadi[/QUOTE] But Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi isn't claiming to be a prophet, he's just a caliph.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;47798187]What a shitty group of people and an even shittier culture they want to impose[/QUOTE] How dare you say one culture is inferior to another.
[QUOTE=Explosions;47799654]How dare you say one culture is inferior to another.[/QUOTE] I don't know man, ISIS isn't making a very good case with theirs.
I didn't know ISIS was a culture; I thought it was a paramilitary group.
[QUOTE=thisispain;47804029]I didn't know ISIS was a culture; I thought it was a paramilitary group.[/QUOTE] They are trying to impose/create/defend a culture.
[QUOTE=Explosions;47804327]They are trying to impose/create/defend a culture.[/QUOTE] No, they're exploiting cultural divisions in order to consolidate their power. Anything inconvenient to their power gets discarded as culture -- one example would be the desecration of ancient artifacts. ISIS has no interest in supporting or creating communal social strata; it's only interested in pushing power upward towards its leaders. Confusing power with culture is the same mistake the United States military makes when they destroy communal relationships.
[QUOTE=thisispain;47804368]one example would be the desecration of ancient artifacts. ISIS has no interest in supporting or creating communal social strata; it's only interested in pushing power upward towards its leaders.[/QUOTE] Its a shitty culture with slavery that doesn't create anything of value.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;47804392]Its a shitty culture with slavery that doesn't create anything of value.[/QUOTE] Why do you insist when you demonstrably have a poor understanding of anthropological concepts? ISIS functions precisely because its agnostic to cultural divisions, just as Al Qaeda was. They have no ideas for setting up a society, and they have no desire to.
[QUOTE=thisispain;47804368]No, they're exploiting cultural divisions in order to consolidate their power. Anything inconvenient to their power gets discarded as culture -- one example would be the desecration of ancient artifacts. ISIS has no interest in supporting or creating communal social strata; it's only interested in pushing power upward towards its leaders. Confusing power with culture is the same mistake the United States military makes when they destroy communal relationships.[/QUOTE] I find your intimate knowledge of ISIS's motives interesting. It is also irrelevant. Their "consolidation of power" says nothing about the culture they endorse or exploit. Being a power system doesn't exclude a group from being part of a culture. I'm sure you would agreed that Nazi Germany had a culture that was independent of the Nazi party itself. If you disagree in some way then I also find your definition of culture quite interesting, as it seems tailor made to avoid labeling ISIS as having some culture. [editline]25th May 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;47804403]They have no ideas for setting up a society, and they have no desire to.[/QUOTE] This is absolutely wrong. You should probably look into what ISIS is actually doing before pontificating about their inner workings and motivations.
[QUOTE=Explosions;47804508]I find your intimate knowledge of ISIS's motives interesting. It is also irrelevant. Their "consolidation of power" says nothing about the culture they endorse or exploit. Being a power system doesn't exclude a group from being part of a culture. I'm sure you would agreed that Nazi Germany had a culture that was independent of the Nazi party itself. If you disagree in some way then I also find your definition of culture quite interesting, as it seems tailor made to avoid labeling ISIS as having some culture. [editline]25th May 2015[/editline] This is absolutely wrong. You should probably look into what ISIS is actually doing before pontificating about their inner workings and motivations.[/QUOTE] Hardly could be called "intimate knowledge," I'm quite sure decades of research into middle-eastern conflict is not intimate knowledge; feel free to dive into it so you can be privy to it as well. [quote] Their "consolidation of power" says nothing about the culture they endorse or exploit.[/quote] You've misunderstood my fundamental claim, ISIS is agnostic to cultures in order to open itself up to a wider net of potential recruits; ISIS combatants hail from many varied cultures who can't even communicate in the same dialect of Arabic. This is why it upholds itself as being Islamic purists, even though they're quite willing to break away from ahadith or even commonly-upheld jurisprudence. It's a convenient way of lending authority to their power, which is of-course the primary function of authority. [quote]I'm sure you would agreed that Nazi Germany had a culture that was independent of the Nazi party itself.[/quote] No, that's a ridiculous statement. Did the culture begin in 1933 and end in 1945? Nazi Germany is not a meaningful noun in that context. Do you mean German culture? Nazi-ism certainly did not come completely from German culture if that's the insinuation. [quote]I also find your definition of culture quite interesting[/quote] Cute but it's not my definition, it's the working definition as used in anthropological study. [quote]This is absolutely wrong. You should probably look into what ISIS is actually doing before pontificating about their inner workings and motivations.[/quote] I see violent uses of authority and propaganda in order to support guerrilla warfare. ISIS itself is not replacing the former cultures it is destroying, nor is it embedding itself into societies like the Taliban did. Other groups with opportunist ambitions are seizing what are left in that power vacuum. The Yezidim society would be a good example; they're not replacing or even Islamify-ing their society, they're just killing them off.
[QUOTE=Nikota;47795194][URL]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/isis-jihadi-bride-claims-forced-sex-with-yazidi-girls-is-never-rape-because-koran-condones-it-10271703.html[/URL] [IMG]http://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/article10016041.ece/alternates/w620/15-Yazidi-Woman-AFP.jpg[/IMG] I mean, Quran 33:50[/QUOTE] Fuck religion. [editline]25th May 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=zpiscool;47795575]Fuck these people. Seriously, nothing enrages me more than these crazy fuckos infecting the Middle East. They're a blight upon mankind and I cannot understand for the life of me why we aren't taking the formation of what is literally a Terrorist Nation particularly seriously when a discredited rumour of WMDs resulted in a full scale invasion.[/QUOTE] The middle east has to learn to stand up for itself and not need the west's help with everything. They defintley should send them better equipment to push back Isis though. No one wants a repeat of the bullshit in 2003.
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