So a Friend and I have the funny and somewhat mind taxing debates all the time. Some are about simple topics like whether or not "Die Hard" can truly be considered a "Traditional" Christmas movie to as complex as if a knife of any stature can really cut fog. We decided to bring the debate to FacePunch this time to get community opinion.
The Debate:
Can Vanilla Ice Cream be considered the basic building block for all future ice creams? And why Peppermint can not be considered the same.
My Stance: I say Vanilla is the building block to all ice creams, no matter what you take out of other ice creams you are left with vanilla at the end. If you remove Vanilla from other ice creams however, you are left with the additives that were used to make the vanilla into the other ice cream. Vanilla is ice creams purist form, hence why people use the term "Vanilla" when speaking about something that is pure, or un-modded. Peppermint can not be considered a building block because of the peppermint additive. The peppermint itself is what makes it a non building block ice cream.
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no
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birthday cake icecream is the best icecream, vanilla is bullpucky
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You could make ice cream without vanilla, it'd just taste like sweet milk. Therefore, vanilla is a flavor, not a key component.
[QUOTE=Alan Ninja!;40372605]You could make ice cream without vanilla, it'd just taste like sweet milk. Therefore, vanilla is a flavor, not a key component.[/QUOTE]
But... Then you don't have Ice Cream
[QUOTE=Igathius;40372631]But... Then you don't have Ice Cream[/QUOTE]
That's not what the FDA says.
[QUOTE]Ice cream is a food produced by freezing, while stirring, a pasteurized mix consisting of one or more of the optional dairy ingredients specified in paragraph (b)[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFRSearch.cfm?fr=135.110[/url]
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The purest possible form of icecream would be one of those ingredients that had been frozen/stirred
[QUOTE=Alan Ninja!;40372696]That's not what the FDA says.
[url]http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFRSearch.cfm?fr=135.110[/url]
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The purest possible form of icecream would be one of those ingredients that had been frozen/stirred[/QUOTE]
But as basic as you go, you are left with vanilla. There is no pure basic form of peppermint
Strawberry Ice Cream master race.
Seriously though, I feel Vanilla is a flavor, not a key component.
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[QUOTE=Alan Ninja!;40372605]You could make ice cream without vanilla, it'd just taste like sweet milk. Therefore, vanilla is a flavor, not a key component.[/QUOTE]
I'd like to actually try that now.
[QUOTE=Igathius;40372782]But as basic as you go, you are left with vanilla. There is no pure basic form of peppermint[/QUOTE]
Peppermint plant/extract..?
No no i can totally get where he's coming from with this.
Vanilla, while not -literally- the purest form of icecream, could be seen as its root.
This should answer a lot of questions [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_cream#History[/url]
[QUOTE=Igathius;40372782]But as basic as you go, you are left with vanilla. There is no pure basic form of peppermint[/QUOTE]
What you aren't understanding is that vanilla is a flavor, an additive, an extract from a fruit. The use of vanilla in food products is not like the use of the term "vanilla" in videogames or something, where it means untouched.
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It is perfectly possible to have ice cream with zero vanilla flavor added. This means that the ice cream is not vanilla.
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[QUOTE=No Party Hats;40374026]
Vanilla, while not -literally- the purest form of icecream, could be seen as its root.[/QUOTE]
This is incorrect. The frozen dairy products are the root of the ice cream, not the flavor vanilla.
Ice cream is as the name implies, made of ice and cream. Cream is not vanilla and ice is not vanilla. This is like saying that Apple is the building block of fruit juice.
Pear, strawberry, chocolate.
Probably my favorite Ice creams flavors. Vanilla, not so much.
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[QUOTE=Igathius;40372782]But as basic as you go, you are left with vanilla. There is no pure basic form of peppermint[/QUOTE]
You do realize that vanilla is a flavoring, too, right? Not all other ice creams also include vanilla. You could create an ice cream base and it would just be some dairy and sugar frozen, and at that point you could add vanilla flavor, chocolate flavor, peanut butter, whatever.
If you were to take out the vanilla, you would be left with a pure form of Ice Cream, from here you would then be able to add a variety of flavors, such as peppermint. Because you are able to not include the vanilla, yet still make a number of varieties of Ice Cream, it is not the purest from.
Vanilla is not the building block of icecreams, as it is flavoured with vanilla. It's what people consider the most basic one, but that's in fact not entirely true.
It's not similar to how most pizzas use a margharita base, but more akin many different distinct icrecreams.
unflavoured icecream is the basic building block.
[QUOTE=wraithcat;40379739]Vanilla is not the building block of icecreams, as it is flavoured with vanilla. It's what people consider the most basic one, but that's in fact not entirely true.
It's not similar to how most pizzas use a margharita base, but more akin many different distinct icrecreams.
unflavoured icecream is the basic building block.[/QUOTE]
I know someone who doesn't even have a margarita base on his pizza, just the sauce
Yeah I'd say it's a building block. Just take some vanilla and mix other ingredients in until you get the flavor you want.
You don't [I]have[/I] to have Vanilla in your icecream for it to be icecream, so, I say no.
[QUOTE=i-am-teh-sex;40379797]I know someone who doesn't even have a margarita base on his pizza, just the sauce[/QUOTE]
Did you mean marinara? You must have some really classy pizzas that are made with margaritas on them.
Peppermint icecream isn't made by adding peppermint to vanilla icecream, so although you may say that vanilla is the most basic icecream (debatable), it's not the building block of all icecream no.
[QUOTE=MazerRackham;40384479]Peppermint icecream isn't made by adding peppermint to vanilla icecream, so although you may say that vanilla is the most basic icecream (debatable), it's not the building block of all icecream no.[/QUOTE]
I con cur, and it is for these reasons that I believe vanilla ice cream is not the building block of ice cream.
I also believe this is the general consensus to this debate.
Vanilla is a flavor. Its my favorite flavor of Icecream. Its actually a pretty exotic flavor considering that Vanilla comes from Indonesia.
Its not really a building block since you can have flavorless icecream and have icecream without Vanilla.
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