• Hard Choices: Intel’s ‘orrible New Haswell chips
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"It doesn't affect my precious gaming PC as much as a laptop therefore it is bad" I can see where RPS is coming from, but they're mad over nothing. Each of the top tier i7's are only marginally better than before in each generation. I'm still on my poor i7 860 and it still does just fine, you don't need to upgrade straight from the 3770k to the 4770k and then the next jesus :v:.
Better than nothing.
[QUOTE] As for the new baseclock strap overclocking option, I could see how it would be worthwhile if it was widely available. But it’s reserved for K series chips which already have unlocked multipliers. So, I’m really struggling to care. [/QUOTE] If plan to do any overclocks at all you buy the K version so this is a pretty dumb statement IMO.
I wish RPS would stop doing hardware articles, they are so shit. Edit: It's like some kid got super hyped for something that was explained to them in detail and then when it's not what he thought he was getting he throws a fit. Haswell was never a major desktop revision. It was power and boosted graphics for mobile and low performance platforms. Also the 1155 socket lasted a good while as far as sockets go. 2-3 years roughly. Also the performance gains from a 3770k to a 4770 are worth it. If you were choosing. 4770k replaces that bracket for roughly the same price. If you have a 3770k and are thinking of a 4770k upgrade and expecting something mind blowing, they are a fucking idiot. Every revision is like a 5-8% performance increase. This is the same, just with lower power, lower heat, and better integrated graphics.
This article is pretty silly, Intel said multiple times that Haswell was about the GPU and power usage.. not really sure what the author was expecting.
who even says 'orrible is it really that hard just to type an h
RPS doesn't really get that there's more to processors than gaming, the lower TDP for the Haswell line is great. Just the fact that the Xeon E3-1230L v3 has a 25W TDP is really awesome for us home server enthusiasts looking to ease up on the power bill.
I'm on a 2500K, and one of the main reasons I'm thinking about upgrading is for PCIe 3 and a hardware RNG, I probably wouldn't notice the performance improvements.
Any cool additions to the instruction set?
It has AVX2, FMA3 and TSX. It's also apparently got USB3 and Thunderbolt built in, which is nice.
Oh cool, with thunderbolt support on chip now we should see more boards with the port and hence more devices
Yeah, problem is that it takes away from one of the PICe lanes that would be used by the graphics card, so on "enthusiast" boards expect to see it as a separate feature (Similar to how half the PCIe lanes are done by the chipset and half by the CPU) My current board apparently supports it that way, but via a separate header on the motherboard. ASUS are selling an adapter separately but ehh. Edit: In a letdown, the 4670K doesn't support VT-d, which you really need to be able to secure Thunderbolt. Edit 2: And no TSX either, but I doubt anybody would miss that, more of an enterprise thing.
If you have a laptop, get haswell If you have a desktop with anything below Sandy Bridge, get Haswell If you want to future proof yourself with Broadwell, get Haswell (at least you'll use your motherboard for longer than a year) If you have Ivy Bridge, you can wait the next 2 generations out.
[QUOTE=icemaz;40891433]"It doesn't affect my precious gaming PC as much as a laptop therefore it is bad" I can see where RPS is coming from, but they're mad over nothing. Each of the top tier i7's are only marginally better than before in each generation. I'm still on my poor i7 860 and it still does just fine, you don't need to upgrade straight from the 3770k to the 4770k and then the next jesus :v:.[/QUOTE] Lower voltage = direct advantage when overclocking. Less power you shove into these the less heat will be generated.
[QUOTE=Generic Monk;40895501]Oh cool, with thunderbolt support on chip now we should see more boards with the port and hence more devices[/QUOTE] Which should lead to cheaper prices as well, hopefully. [editline]4th June 2013[/editline] [quote]Next up, sockets. Yup, there’s yet another new one, namely LGA1150. That breaks backwards compatibility. Again. In recent years, we’ve had LGA1156, LGA1155 and now LGA1150. Honestly, I haven’t asked Intel why we have to have a new socket. I can’t bear the answers they’ll roll out, I’ve heard it all before. I’m unapologetic in that regard. I know they’ve moved more of the video interface kit onto the CPU proper. But I simply don’t believe it has to be this way.[/quote] Is this person a lemon by any chance? They're so sour over this they have to be.
[QUOTE=Death_God;40893927]who even says 'orrible is it really that hard just to type an h[/QUOTE] It's meant to make them sound charmingly casual/British, thus giving them a more casual and subtly humourous atmosphere to their website. It sounds very sterile when I put it like that.
sounds more like that neckbeard kid in the US who obsesses over dr who and tries his best to talk british because its a british show
[QUOTE=Death_God;40898163]sounds more like that neckbeard kid in the US who obsesses over dr who and tries his best to talk british because its a british show[/QUOTE] except RPS are actually british so it's more a failed joke than awful tear inducing tryhard shit
[QUOTE=Daniel M;40896106]If you have a laptop, get haswell If you have a desktop with anything below Sandy Bridge, get Haswell If you want to future proof yourself with Broadwell, get Haswell (at least you'll use your motherboard for longer than a year) If you have Ivy Bridge, you can wait the next 2 generations out.[/QUOTE] Also, if you're poor as fuck, you can wait the next two generations out despite having a Core 2 Duo
[QUOTE=ShaunOfTheLive;40907601]Also, if you're poor as fuck, you can wait the next two generations out despite having a Core 2 Duo[/QUOTE] or a pentium D can't touch me i got 4.6GHz
What everyone is forgetting with all this 'mobile' bollocks is without PC's there'd be no content, no CG movies and no games, What are games (console, mobile and pc) games made on? that's right, a PC? I cannot figure peoples fascinations of playing games on a tiny display obscured by your thumbs. I tried it out and it hurt my neck after about 20 minutes, they are great for passing time or while waiting for something. The only reason mobile games appear to clock up so many hours and 'appear' to be popular is because they are played on commutes to work/school/college/uni/whatever, played in breaks, played in bed before you sleep or while waiting for something. PC is, and will be until such a time that virtual reality takes over, the master race. Yeh in the future our PC's will be in the cloud and our VR headsets/glasses will be our main form of entertainment and profession
[QUOTE=Chaoss86;40908475]What everyone is forgetting with all this 'mobile' bollocks is without PC's there'd be no content, no CG movies and no games, What are games (console, mobile and pc) games made on? that's right, a PC? I cannot figure peoples fascinations of playing games on a tiny display obscured by your thumbs. I tried it out and it hurt my neck after about 20 minutes, they are great for passing time or while waiting for something. The only reason mobile games appear to clock up so many hours and 'appear' to be popular is because they are played on commutes to work/school/college/uni/whatever, played in breaks, played in bed before you sleep or while waiting for something. PC is, and will be until such a time that virtual reality takes over, the master race. Yeh in the future our PC's will be in the cloud and our VR headsets/glasses will be our main form of entertainment and profession[/QUOTE] No shit mobile gaming is popular because people are mobile, thanks for sharing that brilliant insight.
[QUOTE=Chaoss86;40908475]What everyone is forgetting with all this 'mobile' bollocks is without PC's there'd be no content, no CG movies and no games, What are games (console, mobile and pc) games made on? that's right, a PC? I cannot figure peoples fascinations of playing games on a tiny display obscured by your thumbs. I tried it out and it hurt my neck after about 20 minutes, they are great for passing time or while waiting for something. The only reason mobile games appear to clock up so many hours and 'appear' to be popular is because they are played on commutes to work/school/college/uni/whatever, played in breaks, played in bed before you sleep or while waiting for something. PC is, and will be until such a time that virtual reality takes over, the master race. Yeh in the future our PC's will be in the cloud and our VR headsets/glasses will be our main form of entertainment and profession[/QUOTE] "I don't like it, therefore no one should." Also, you seem to be very good at stating the obvious.
[QUOTE=ShaunOfTheLive;40907601]Also, if you're poor as fuck, you can wait the next two generations out despite having a Core 2 Duo[/QUOTE] If you're poor as fuck you can get an AMD FX chip.
I miss socket 775 Easy to reuse old coolers, and sometime newer cpu support were just a BIOS flash away.
[QUOTE=Chaoss86;40908475]What everyone is forgetting with all this 'mobile' bollocks is without PC's there'd be no content, no CG movies and no games, What are games (console, mobile and pc) games made on? that's right, a PC? I cannot figure peoples fascinations of playing games on a tiny display obscured by your thumbs. I tried it out and it hurt my neck after about 20 minutes, they are great for passing time or while waiting for something. The only reason mobile games appear to clock up so many hours and 'appear' to be popular is because they are played on commutes to work/school/college/uni/whatever, played in breaks, played in bed before you sleep or while waiting for something. PC is, and will be until such a time that virtual reality takes over, the master race. Yeh in the future our PC's will be in the cloud and our VR headsets/glasses will be our main form of entertainment and profession[/QUOTE] pc is going to die and that will be good for everything except people like you
The article is written terribly, but I was also disappointed with haswell. Not just because its geared towards mobile platforms (they wanted lower power consumption and higher performance), but because they failed at delivering what was expected. For starters, the power consumption of the 4770k is actually worse than that of the 3770k ([url]http://m.techspot.com/review/679-intel-haswell-core-i7-4770k/page13.html[/url]) and the graphical performance was nowhere near the 2-3x performance that was suggested ([url]http://m.techspot.com/review/679-intel-haswell-core-i7-4770k/page11.html[/url]). The fault of these tests is that they only do the highest settings, but maybe haswell performs better per watt compared to ivy bridge. Until I see those benchmarks, haswell was a giant disappointment for failing to deliver what was promised.
[QUOTE=Van-man;40909228]I miss socket 775 Easy to reuse old coolers, and sometime newer cpu support were just a BIOS flash away.[/QUOTE] i'm genuinely surprised they managed to add multicore supoport to 775 without a change in socket, but that's probably because it was purely an upgrade to the CPU. the changes in sockets are mainly due to a) larger die area and b) them moving features like the memory controller, graphics chip, voltage regulators off the motherboard, and hence needing a motherboard that supported these changes - physically differentiating them with a different pin layout/number is a good way of ensuring people don't put the wrong chip in the wrong board [editline]5th June 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=rodent-man;40913356]The article is written terribly, but I was also disappointed with haswell. Not just because its geared towards mobile platforms (they wanted lower power consumption and higher performance), but because they failed at delivering what was expected. For starters, the power consumption of the 4770k is actually worse than that of the 3770k ([url]http://m.techspot.com/review/679-intel-haswell-core-i7-4770k/page13.html[/url]) and the graphical performance was nowhere near the 2-3x performance that was suggested ([url]http://m.techspot.com/review/679-intel-haswell-core-i7-4770k/page11.html[/url]). The fault of these tests is that they only do the highest settings, but maybe haswell performs better per watt compared to ivy bridge. Until I see those benchmarks, haswell was a giant disappointment for failing to deliver what was promised.[/QUOTE] uh haswell has the lowest idle power footprint in that test, the whole draw of it is that it can power down parts of itself and achieve a lower power footprint when idle or under light use while still offering the same performance if it's needed additionally the graphics processor on the 4770k isn't even their flagship graphics processor for that line, and it has 3x raw performance, not practical performance in games
I never understood the type that need to upgrade every generation - they probably have more dollars than sense. I've got an overclocked i7-950 that's still going strong thanks to my GTX 770 that I upgraded over my GTX 460. I think rule of thumb is that an upgrade every three or four generations is going to be worth the $$$ you put into it.
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