• Police In Wisconsin Are Asking Residents To Volunteer To Have Their Homes Searched For Guns
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[url]http://www.wpr.org/beloit-police-ask-residents-volunteer-have-their-homes-searched-guns[/url] [QUOTE]Police in Beloit are launching a new effort to reduce gun violence in which they're asking city residents to volunteer to have police search their homes for guns. "Gun violence is as serious as the Ebola virus is being represented in the media, and we should fight it using the tools that we've learned from our health providers." Police Chief Norm Jacobs said. Jacobs said he hopes some searches will result in the discovery of guns they didn't know were in their own homes. He said that there’s also a chance they’ll find guns linked to crimes. [/QUOTE] This article is so wrong on many levels. This pisses me off to no extent. The police have no right to ask you to search your home for guns, [I]Even guns you "think" you dont own.[/I] Also comparing gun violence to ebola is stupid as well.
I don't see what's so wrong about them asking, but it's not gonna make any difference. It's not like any criminals would actually accept
Holy shit, they are just registering guns. It's the same as registering cars so they can keep track.
to clarify, they aren't literally comparing it to ebola, but rather how the media portrays the threat of Ebola to America You will never get Ebola if you're in America. But the media sure wants you to think it's a threat to your life. and there is also nothing wrong with this. You can say "No" and that's the end of it. note the word "[B]Volunteer[/B]" not the word [U]FORCE[/U] is being used. They aren't breaking into your house and searching without a permit. (Not that anyone has ever said that here, or will, but someone will act like this is the case somewhere)
Monumentally stupid way to say it, but there's nothing wrong with gun registration/licensing. They just want people to register older guns.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;46669398]Monumentally stupid way to say it, but there's nothing wrong with gun registration/licensing. They just want people to register older guns.[/QUOTE] There's this phobia that if they find out that some of the guns they own are extremely old/not allowed without additional certification, if at all they will not ask questions. They will take the guns away and you're screwed. This stigma makes sense in Canada where they WERE taking away anything that basically was not a hunting rifle but come on, this is the United states here. Compared to us they have WAY more leeway in which guns they can keep in the locker. My grandfather's shotgun and WWII rifle are buried out in a southern Ontario field somewhere.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;46669398]Monumentally stupid way to say it, but there's nothing wrong with gun registration/licensing. They just want people to register older guns.[/QUOTE] Australia calls, something like 100,000 rifles were forcefully turned in with threat of being arrested. In short, fuck no.
Yeah, sorry, how about no? I own one gun legally registered to me, but that doesn't mean police have a right to enter my home and search for it. Go get a warrant or fuck off.
[QUOTE=J!NX;46669397] and there is also nothing wrong with this. You can say "No" and that's the end of it. note the word "[B]Volunteer[/B]" not the word [U]FORCE[/U] is being used. They aren't breaking into your house and searching without a permit. (Not that anyone has ever said that here, or will, but someone will act like this is the case somewhere)[/QUOTE] call me paranoid, but wouldn't it look really suspicious if you said no? thats what I dont like about these things, it kind of reeks of "If you have nothing to hide why do you care if we search your stuff???" sure its legal to say no, but doesnt that sort of earmark you as "somebody who probably has guns they didn't want us to know about"?
[QUOTE=TestECull;46669475]Yeah, sorry, how about no? I own one gun legally registered to me, but that doesn't mean police have a right to enter my home and search for it. Go get a warrant or fuck off.[/QUOTE] [quote]Police in Beloit are launching a new effort to reduce gun violence in which they're [B][U]asking city residents to volunteer[/U][/B] to have police search their homes for guns. "Gun violence is as serious as the Ebola virus is being represented in the media, and we should fight it using the tools that we've learned from our health providers." Police Chief Norm Jacobs said. Jacobs said he hopes some searches will result in the discovery of guns they didn't know were in their own homes. He said that there’s also a chance they’ll find guns linked to crimes.[/quote] Good thing that they're [B]ASKING[/B] you to let them search, then. Y'know, you can just say "No, I won't let you", and they won't bother you about it? Can you read or something? It's literally in the first line of the OP
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;46669480]call me paranoid, but wouldn't it look really suspicious if you said no? thats what I dont like about these things, it kind of reeks of "If you have nothing to hide why do you care if we search your stuff???" sure its legal to say no, but doesnt that sort of earmark you as "somebody who probably has guns they didn't want us to know about"?[/QUOTE] if you have nothing to hide (Known registered legal guns, or no guns at all) and say no anyways, and they do it anyways, they're the ones in the wrong but obviously this is pointless to say as you already know this, I guess. But still. Nothing wrong with saying no. Hopefully police understand this.
[QUOTE=pentium;46669426]There's this phobia that if they find out that some of the guns they own are extremely old/not allowed without additional certification, if at all they will not ask questions. They will take the guns away and you're screwed. This stigma makes sense in Canada where they WERE taking away anything that basically was not a hunting rifle but come on, this is the United states here. Compared to us they have WAY more leeway in which guns they can keep in the locker. My grandfather's shotgun and WWI rifle are buried out in a southern Ontario field somewhere.[/QUOTE] again, maybe Im being too paranoid, but what's to prevent something like what happened in Canada from happening here (IE: Police using a firearms registry for confiscation)?
[QUOTE=pentium;46669426]There's this phobia that if they find out that some of the guns they own are extremely old/not allowed without additional certification, if at all they will not ask questions. They will take the guns away and you're screwed. This stigma makes sense in Canada where they WERE taking away anything that basically was not a hunting rifle but come on, this is the United states here. Compared to us they have WAY more leeway in which guns they can keep in the locker. My grandfather's shotgun and WWI rifle are buried out in a southern Ontario field somewhere.[/QUOTE] You best pray they keep up their second amendment rights in the states because the second they start taking away guns there guess what's going to start happening here.
[QUOTE=J!NX;46669494]if you have nothing to hide (Known registered legal guns, or no guns at all) and say no anyways, and they do it anyways, they're the ones in the wrong[/QUOTE] if I were in the police officers shoes, and someone didn't consent to a voluntary search, that would raise a red flag in my head.
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;46669518]if I were in the police officers shoes, and someone didn't consent to a voluntary search, that woudl raise a red flag in my head.[/QUOTE] Different people different ideals and methods, I suppose.
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;46669480]call me paranoid, but wouldn't it look really suspicious if you said no? thats what I dont like about these things, it kind of reeks of "If you have nothing to hide why do you care if we search your stuff???" sure its legal to say no, but doesnt that sort of earmark you as "somebody who probably has guns they didn't want us to know about"?[/QUOTE] Millions of homes. Millions of people in those homes. Millions of reasons to say yes/no to a search. Name me one person you know of who would spend the time to go over each of those cases individually and compile a list of people who said "no" in a sufficiently suspicious way to warrant a further investigation. Name me one institution that would do the same thing, and I still have a list of zero people/institutions that would waste the time and money to do something as ridiculous as that. Just say no, be nice, and move on.
[QUOTE]Gun violence is as serious as the Ebola virus[B] is being represented in the media[/B][/QUOTE] :suicide: EDIT: Fixed it
[QUOTE=Doctor_Brony;46669530]:suicide:[/QUOTE] [t]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Jqo96RfGa6w/T4DnfEZwP9I/AAAAAAAAAh4/gubYFhFjdEs/s1600/PS3-Store-Gets-Robbed-at-Gunpoint-2.gif[/t] you can't mug a man by threatening to cough on them besides that what Starlight 456's saying in the next post, and what I've said in my first post. They aren't comparing it to ebola, just how the media portrays it.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Brony;46669530]:suicide:[/QUOTE] [quote]"Gun violence is as serious as the Ebola virus is being represented in the media,[/quote] Nice job only quoting the part that makes them look the stupidest. He's saying that gun violence is as serious as the ebola virus is [I]being represented as[/I], as in, this widespread life-destroying epidemic. He is not literally saying that gun violence is as serious as Ebola.
[QUOTE=Minimal;46669372]The police have no right to ask you to search your home for guns[/QUOTE] Uhhh police have the right to free speech too. Restrictions only come into play when you're talking about what's admissable in court (Miranda, Mapp, etc.).
[QUOTE=valkery;46669529]Millions of homes. Millions of people in those homes. Millions of reasons to say yes/no to a search. [B]Name me one person you know of who would spend the time to go over each of those cases individually and compile a list of people who said "no" in a sufficiently suspicious way to warrant a further investigation. Name me one institution that would do the same thing, and I still have a list of zero people/institutions that would waste the time and money to do something as ridiculous as that. [/B] Just say no, be nice, and move on.[/QUOTE] Ruby Ridge and the Morgan Minutemen... Need I say more?
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;46669552]Nice job only quoting the part that makes them look the stupidest. He's saying that gun violence is as serious as the ebola virus is [I]being represented as[/I], as in, this widespread life-destroying epidemic. He is not literally saying that gun violence is as serious as Ebola.[/QUOTE] oops I thought I quoted that too, apologies
[QUOTE=J!NX;46669523]Different people different ideals and methods, I suppose.[/QUOTE] I mean am I totally off base with my thinking here? maybe its my auditor/OSHA inspector/bureaucrat-that-people-dont-like-talking-to background shining through, but a lot of the time you can infer a lot more information from a "No" or a failure to answer than you can from a "Yes" [editline]8th December 2014[/editline] its a "pleading the fifth" kind of thing
It seems to me like they just did this to appease those soccermoms who want to ban anything remotely L shaped. Let them scare their kids into thinking they live in a dystopian police state where it's perfectly okay to report your neighbor for suspected deviant behavior just so they'll stop lobbying to make that actually happen.
Good thing we have this thing called the constitution, that grants us the right to our guns. The moment you start taking guns away from honest people, the whole goddamn structure will collapse.
see ogobongo isn't out for your guns... the [I]red state of wisconsin's[/I] police are! [editline]8th December 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Megadave;46669667]Good thing we have this thing called the constitution, that grants us the right to our guns. The moment you start taking guns away from honest people, the whole goddamn structure will collapse.[/QUOTE] sure invoke the 2nd amendment instead of... the 4th which protects against searches without probable cause...like this entire search is for...to find guns in places without probable cause
[QUOTE=Sableye;46669671]see ogobongo isn't out for your guns... the [I]red state of wisconsin's[/I] police are! [editline]8th December 2014[/editline] sure invoke the 2nd amendment instead of... the 4th which protects against searches without probable cause...like this entire search is for...to find guns in places without probable cause[/QUOTE] That's why they're asking..? If a cop asks to search your vehicle and they have no probable cause, you can say no. If you say yes, they have that right. It's the same shit here.
[QUOTE=Sableye;46669671]see ogobongo isn't out for your guns... the [I]red state of wisconsin's[/I] police are! [editline]8th December 2014[/editline] sure invoke the 2nd amendment instead of... the 4th which protects against searches without probable cause...like this entire search is for...to find guns in places without probable cause[/QUOTE] I'll invoke every goddamn one but once one goes, every other one will go eventually. Third Amendment was gone when they started forcing people out of their homes to perform stakeouts.
[QUOTE=Megadave;46669724]I'll invoke every goddamn one but once one goes, every other one will go eventually. Third Amendment was gone when they started forcing people out of their homes to perform stakeouts.[/QUOTE] um the 3rd amendment has never been invoked in any supreme court case, there was in incident in las vegas you are probably refering to, and its not yet been established that cops have the right to do that, as well they violated several other laws in the process so they're probably not going anywhere
I'm perfectly fine with the police asking nicely. If you are dumb enough to willingly allow police to search your home, you deserve whatever happens to you.
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