• The Democratic Party's secret plot to take over America has been revealed by House GOP
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[quote]Washington (CNN) -- A prominent House conservative said Tuesday that the immigration reform bill under consideration in the Senate is part of an ongoing plot to build a massive new Democratic voting bloc.[/quote] [url]http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/14/politics/congress-immigration-reform/index.html?hpt=po_c2[/url]
I guess so. It is my understanding Hispanics generally lean democratic. BTW, is democratic in the same ideological field as leftism, liberalism, socialism?
Democratic is the process of governance (eg, monarchy, empire, oligarchy, etc), not an ideology. From a Canadian perspective, American Democrats would be right wing...(our conservatives are probably more left)
[QUOTE=cqbcat;40648203]I guess so. It is my understanding Hispanics generally lean democratic. BTW, is democratic in the same ideological field as leftism, liberalism, socialism?[/QUOTE] They're left of the GOP, but from what I've heard on FP here, they're right to everything left in the rest of the world. The GOP and the Dems are just about two sides of the same coin, only different flavors.
[QUOTE=cqbcat;40648203]I guess so. It is my understanding Hispanics generally lean democratic. BTW, is democratic in the same ideological field as leftism, liberalism, socialism?[/QUOTE] Well those are all pretty different things, so I'd say no. And we're using the word 'democratic' here to refer to a party, not an ideology, but that should be pretty obvious.
[QUOTE=cqbcat;40648203]I guess so. It is my understanding Hispanics generally lean democratic. BTW, is democratic in the same ideological field as leftism, liberalism, socialism?[/QUOTE] Yes err sorta. [t]http://dailyinfographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/leftright_US_1416.gif[/t]
[QUOTE=Aide;40648231]Yes err sorta. [t]http://dailyinfographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/leftright_US_1416.gif[/t][/QUOTE] I'm hoping this is not a chart used to describe US government, because I see the word 'Communism' on the left.
America has Communists parties, they just don't amount to jack shit in our political system
[QUOTE=Megafan;40648271]I'm hoping this is not a chart used to describe US government, because I see the word 'Communism' on the left.[/QUOTE] The infographic is slightly biased towards right wing politics.
[QUOTE=cqbcat;40648203]I guess so. It is my understanding Hispanics generally lean democratic. BTW, is democratic in the same ideological field as leftism, liberalism, socialism?[/QUOTE] "democratic" in the sense of democracy is a libertarian ideal. it can translate both right and left to varying degrees depending on your perception of the word. "democratic" in the sense of the political party, is a centre-right conservative political party in the united states with a token centre-left faction or two.
[QUOTE=Aide;40648231]Yes err sorta. [t]http://dailyinfographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/leftright_US_1416.gif[/t][/QUOTE] This is a really really black and white idea of what the two are.
Personally prefer this infographic, although it doesn't match up word-to-word with real life political ideologies. (Ignore prevalence, it's for a political game) [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/martin88/1281623826288.png[/img]
[QUOTE=Angus725;40648303]The infographic is slightly biased towards right wing politics.[/QUOTE] really? i saw slight left wing bias. that might be my own bias though since terms like "fairness", "ethics", and "personal freedom" appeal greatly to me.
We already got a large dem voting bloc, and it gets larger the further the Republican party gets to the right.
[QUOTE=Angus725;40648325]Personally prefer this infographic, although it doesn't match up word-to-word with real life political ideologies. (Ignore prevalence, it's for a political game) [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/martin88/1281623826288.png[/img][/QUOTE] Oh hey- NationStates.
[QUOTE=Angus725;40648325]Personally prefer this infographic, although it doesn't match up word-to-word with real life political ideologies. (Ignore prevalence, it's for a political game) [/QUOTE] i prefer [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/Multi-axis_political_spectrum.svg/250px-Multi-axis_political_spectrum.svg.png[/img]
[QUOTE=yawmwen;40648331]really? i saw slight left wing bias. that might be my own bias though since terms like "fairness", "ethics", and "personal freedom" appeal greatly to me.[/QUOTE] I mean it's at least wrong somewhere because it claims that 'the left' only supports gay rights at 54% and same-sex marriage at 43%, which isn't correct since most figures nowadays peg support for gay marriage among the whole US public at >50%. That and it describes even basic progressive ideology as utopian and idealistic.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;40648331]really? i saw slight left wing bias. that might be my own bias though since terms like "fairness", "ethics", and "personal freedom" appeal greatly to me.[/QUOTE] Perhaps the language use invokes too much emotion in general.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;40648223]They're left of the GOP, but from what I've heard on FP here, they're right to everything left in the rest of the world. The GOP and the Dems are just about two sides of the same coin, only different flavors.[/QUOTE] That's the consequence of a two party system. Instead of having many different political parties that have their own section on the political spectrum and group of voters and rely on coalitions to get the plurality/majority, we have our two big parties that have to court the middle to get their majority. The result is that our parties can't differ too much on policy without alienating the moderates. That's why the Republican party is going downhill, it and its slowly shrinking bunch of radicals are going further and further right.
[QUOTE=Megafan;40648363]I mean it's at least wrong somewhere because it claims that 'the left' only supports gay rights at 54% and same-sex marriage at 43%, which isn't correct since most figures nowadays peg support for gay marriage among the whole US public at >50%. That and it describes even basic progressive ideology as utopian and idealistic.[/QUOTE] any axis or graph or infographic you try and make is going to be somewhat wrong. people have written entire books on the subjects and still end up over-simplifying the issues. it's pretty, and it gives an "accurate enough" depiction of left/right, at least as it is perceived by most in american politics. i would say it's useful enough for someone who isn't aware of what right and left are.
[QUOTE=Megafan;40648271]I'm hoping this is not a chart used to describe US government, because I see the word 'Communism' on the left.[/QUOTE] I have no problem with my waifu being everyone's waifu. God bless Communism.
I can't stand any of this shit. You can't institute voter ID laws because it'll benefit the Republican party. You can't redistrict like that because it'll benefit the Democratic party. Why do we try all this sneaky shit? The purpose of an election is to determine the opinion of the population, and every attempt should be made to make it fair, and none to bias it to either side. The closer we can get to the population proportion, the better.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;40648223]They're left of the GOP, but from what I've heard on FP here, they're right to everything left in the rest of the world. The GOP and the Dems are just about two sides of the same coin, only different flavors.[/QUOTE] One is coconut which is disgusting, and the other is coconut with lemon honey flavor, which is also disgusting. [sp]nobody taste good[/sp]
[QUOTE=Aide;40648231]Yes err sorta. [t]http://dailyinfographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/leftright_US_1416.gif[/t][/QUOTE] Honestly I can never understand why conservatives don't believe in Darwinism, seeing as they manage to believe in it regarding social justice. According to this graph, probably because they have their Christian traditions that oppose it.
[QUOTE=Xystus234;40648684]Honestly I can never understand why conservatives don't believe in Darwinism, seeing as they manage to believe in it regarding social justice. According to this graph, probably because they have their Christian traditions that oppose it.[/QUOTE] it isn't that "conservatives don't believe in darwinism", it's "creationists don't believe in darwinism". it just so happens that conservatism and creationism in the usa are tied at the hip.
[QUOTE=Angus725;40648303]The infographic is slightly biased towards right wing politics.[/QUOTE] Lost it at idealism on the left vs pragmatism on the right. Pragmatism used to be a conservative position but there is nothing pragmatic about the modern day GOP. Considering how little of a grasp they have on the American people's political interests, I'd even say idealistic is the optimistic alternative to delusional.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;40649055]Lost it at idealism on the left vs pragmatism on the right. Pragmatism used to be a conservative position but there is nothing pragmatic about the modern day GOP. Considering how little of a grasp they have on the American people's political interests, I'd even say idealistic is the optimistic alternative to delusional.[/QUOTE] "idealism" isn't even limited to left/right. fascists and nationalists talk about how wealth and capitalism can lower the idealism of people and cause them to become weak. either way, i would take idealism over pragmatism any day. i would rather strive for an ideal world than a compromised world simply because everyone else says it is the "pragmatic" solution.
[QUOTE=cqbcat;40648203]I guess so. It is my understanding Hispanics generally lean democratic. BTW, is democratic in the same ideological field as leftism, liberalism, socialism?[/QUOTE] US democratic is socially centre left and economically centre right. Sort of. To be honest most people would generally refer to it as centre right right in Europe compared to what we consider center right. [QUOTE=Xystus234;40648684]Honestly I can never understand why conservatives don't believe in Darwinism, seeing as they manage to believe in it regarding social justice. According to this graph, probably because they have their Christian traditions that oppose it.[/QUOTE] Because conservatives in the traditional US system are traditionalists. They uphold old standards which were socially conservative, economically very liberal. It's kinda funny, since in many post warpac countries you have the very opposite. Economic liberals tend to be socially progressive and centre left and left economic groups tend to be socially conservative. Overall the left right scale does fail at times though. Since when you consider nazis and communists it's not even much of a difference in economy as both essentially will follow similar tenets in the end.
[QUOTE=Angus725;40648219]Democratic is the process of governance (eg, monarchy, empire, oligarchy, etc), not an ideology. From a Canadian perspective, American Democrats would be right wing...(our conservatives are probably more left)[/QUOTE] Same as in the UK. In comparison, the US has two right wing parties.
[QUOTE=Memobot;40650238]Same as in the UK. In comparison, the US has two right wing parties.[/QUOTE]anything further left would be communism and that's unacceptable
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