[quote]TULSA, Okla. (AP) — Prosecutors in Tulsa, Oklahoma, charged a white police officer who fatally shot an unarmed black man on a city street with first-degree manslaughter Thursday.
Tulsa County District Attorney Steve Kunzweiler filed the charges against officer Betty Shelby, who shot and killed 40-year-old Terence Crutcher on Sept. 16. Dashcam and aerial footage of the shooting and its aftermath showed Crutcher walking away from Shelby with his arms in the air.[/quote]
[url]http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2016/09/22/tulsa-police-officer-charged-in-mans-shooting-death/[/url]
Officer in question:
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It just doesn't stop..
[QUOTE=RaptorJGW;51090664]It just doesn't stop..[/QUOTE]
What do you mean it doesn't stop this is the court result of a previous shooting.
wait is this the one that just happened? i thought the cop was black?
[QUOTE=Hilton;51090768]wait is this the one that just happened? i thought the cop was black?[/QUOTE]
That's the North Carolina shooting(the one that resulted in riots)
This is Tulsa, Oklahoma
[QUOTE=Radical_ed;51090799]318,900,000/965 = ~0.00000302602[/QUOTE]
fractions don't bring people back to life
The country needs to see officers being held accountable when they're in the wrong. This is one such example. The perception among the people in much of the country is that officers can get away with anything because the forces close ranks to protect them.
Isn't one of the problems that its only certain police departments that have racial issues, and since little over sees then, if one of their officers do something bad, the PD excuses them, more or less?
[QUOTE=krutomisi;51090836]fractions don't bring people back to life[/QUOTE]
:speechless:
[editline]22nd September 2016[/editline]
I mean what do you propose, that we eliminate all police shooting fatalities?
Not to mention that THIS OFFICER WAS CHARGED.
[QUOTE=Radical_ed;51090920]:speechless:
[editline]22nd September 2016[/editline]
I mean what do you propose, that we eliminate all police shooting fatalities?
Not to mention that THIS OFFICER WAS CHARGED.[/QUOTE]
the officer shouldn't have done something that resulted in them being charged in the first place.
the fact that some officers get away with it is the compounding issue.
Here's a video of what happened.
[video]https://youtu.be/n9F-Bxwu3_Y[/video]
There's been rumors of riots spreading around, but there's protesters standing around on local news with BLM signs, simultaneously hanging out holding hands with officers. People seem to be okay with the charge from what I can see, because news isn't reporting on buildings being burned down and cars being flipped.
See, if you just let officers off the others will just see this as validating their actions and will only encourage more. This one is clear cut so she needs to be made an example of.
Maybe i shouldnt do this. :snip:
[QUOTE=gk99;51090956]There's been rumors of riots spreading around, but there's protesters standing around on local news with BLM signs, simultaneously hanging out holding hands with officers. People seem to be okay with the charge from what I can see, because news isn't reporting on buildings being burned down and cars being flipped.[/QUOTE]
There never seem to be riots and shit when the shooting actually [I]was[/I] unjustified.
[QUOTE=IKTM;51090978]There never to be riots and shit when the shooting actually [I]was[/I] unjustified.[/QUOTE]
Apparently my highschool district was warned three times, twice by police, that people from Ferguson are on the way. They've cancelled events and beefed up security at marching band practices tonight.
They sent out an email about it after I posted.
So do we know at all what made the officer shoot? I watched the video and all the guy did was walk over to that van with his hands up. Did they think he was going to pull something out of it, like a gun? There are only 2 points of view, both far away, and we can't hear what anyone's saying to the guy so i'm just confused as to why they all surrounded him with guns drawn.
[QUOTE=Renegade Master;51091091]So do we know at all what made the officer shoot? I watched the video and all the guy did was walk over to that van with his hands up. Did they think he was going to pull something out of it, like a gun? There are only 2 points of view, both far away, and we can't hear what anyone's saying to the guy so i'm just confused as to why they all surrounded him with guns drawn.[/QUOTE]
It looked like he put his hands down to open the car door and reach inside. During the walk to his car the cops were ordering him to stop and get down. It's tragic that things ended this way and there are some actions the cops could have taken to avoid this (One NYPD observer on the news suggested some process called something along the lines of Isolate & Contain where the officers would back up and take cover behind their squad cars to give them more time to assess the situation), however the man's conduct did him no favors either.
[QUOTE=Alec W;51090949]the officer shouldn't have done something that resulted in them being charged in the first place.
the fact that some officers get away with it is the compounding issue.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Radical_ed;51090920]
I mean what do you propose, that we eliminate all police shooting fatalities?
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=gk99;51091024]Apparently my highschool district was warned three times, twice by police, that people from Ferguson are on the way. They've cancelled events and beefed up security at marching band practices tonight.
They sent out an email about it after I posted.[/QUOTE]
Why? They got the result they wanted, the system worked in their favor now.
[QUOTE=Hidole555;51091228]It looked like he put his hands down to open the car door and reach inside. During the walk to his car the cops were ordering him to stop and get down. It's tragic that things ended this way and there are some actions the cops could have taken to avoid this (One NYPD observer on the news suggested some process called something along the lines of Isolate & Contain where the officers would back up and take cover behind their squad cars to give them more time to assess the situation), however the man's conduct did him no favors either.[/QUOTE]
He had his hands up in the air and they explicitly said he was following their orders.
His window was rolled up as well - so he couldn't reach into the vehicle without swinging the door outward (into the location [i]exactly where he was standing[/i]) with multiple guns pointed at him in order to reach inside for a gun [i]that didn't even exist[/i].
The fact that the officer got first-degree manslaughter should be evidence enough that the police were the ones with poor conduct, not the guy. Unless the cop was worried he was activating his phase matter projector to phase his arm through the car door and grab his plasma blaster, there's quite literally no excuse. If you're that terrified of a guy with his hands up when you have like 4 guns aimed at him, you shouldn't be a police officer.
The situation was definitely deserving the use of a taser, not a firearm.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;51091449]He had his hands up in the air and they explicitly said he was following their orders.
His window was rolled up as well - so he couldn't reach into the vehicle without swinging the door outward (into the location [i]exactly where he was standing[/i]) with multiple guns pointed at him in order to reach inside for a gun [i]that didn't even exist[/i].
The fact that the officer got first-degree manslaughter should be evidence enough that the police were the ones with poor conduct, not the guy. Unless the cop was worried he was activating his phase matter projector to phase his arm through the car door and grab his plasma blaster, there's quite literally no excuse. If you're that terrified of a guy with his hands up when you have like 4 guns aimed at him, you shouldn't be a police officer.[/QUOTE]
Where does it say he was following orders? In the source the only mention of it was the woman's attorney arguing that he wasn't following orders.
[QUOTE=archangel125;51090840]The country needs to see officers being held accountable when they're in the wrong. This is one such example. The perception among the people in much of the country is that officers can get away with anything because the forces close ranks to protect them.[/QUOTE]
i know it's very fun to come up with these fluffed up, melodramatic scenarios about battling the evil blue wall of silence but i guarantee this is more likely a training issue
no cop at all just wakes up one morning and decides, oh YEAH i'm totally going to kill a black person today just because i can, and all my coworkers will protect me!!!
this is far more likely than not a sympathetic fire event where the officer, who was noticeably panicked on the radio, heard the other officer fire his taser and instinctively shot her weapon. this is directly prevented by removing your finger from the trigger until you actually intend to shoot. instead of masturbating over the imaginary blue shield, it'd do a lot better to examine the awful police training standards in the US and try to get some actual semblance of firearm training for officers because at this point the average concealed carry-licensed civilian is leagues ahead of the average officer
[QUOTE=Seerus;51092636]i know it's very fun to come up with these fluffed up, melodramatic scenarios about battling the evil blue wall of silence but i guarantee this is more likely a training issue
no cop at all just wakes up one morning and decides, oh YEAH i'm totally going to kill a black person today just because i can, and all my coworkers will protect me!!!
this is far more likely than not a sympathetic fire event where the officer, who was noticeably panicked on the radio, heard the other officer fire his taser and instinctively shot her weapon. this is directly prevented by removing your finger from the trigger until you actually intend to shoot. instead of masturbating over the imaginary blue shield, it'd do a lot better to examine the awful police training standards in the US and try to get some actual semblance of firearm training for officers because at this point the average concealed carry-licensed civilian is leagues ahead of the average officer[/QUOTE]
No shit, Sherlock. What kind of idiot do you take me for?
If you read my posts in other threads regarding police, I say the exact same thing you just did. I'm also saying that many police forces in the States have a serious accountability problem.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;51091449]He had his hands up in the air and they explicitly said he was following their orders.
His window was rolled up as well - so he couldn't reach into the vehicle without swinging the door outward (into the location [I]exactly where he was standing[/I]) with multiple guns pointed at him in order to reach inside for a gun [I]that didn't even exist[/I].
The fact that the officer got first-degree manslaughter should be evidence enough that the police were the ones with poor conduct, not the guy. Unless the cop was worried he was activating his phase matter projector to phase his arm through the car door and grab his plasma blaster, there's quite literally no excuse. If you're that terrified of a guy with his hands up when you have like 4 guns aimed at him, you shouldn't be a police officer.[/QUOTE]
I still really can't tell from the video if the guy attempted to open the door - but if you have cops pointing guns at you, commanding you to do something and you make a quick sudden movement such as reaching for a pocket, you are going to get shot. Even if the gun didn't exist or you had nothing on you - the cops don't know that.
You'd think one out of the four police officers present would have the frame of mind to pull out a taser and end the confrontation peacefully, no? What use is 4 guns against an unarmed man with his hands raised in the air. If he ain't following orders, tell your colleagues you're gonna holster your own gun and pull out a taser to tase him.
Stupid fucking death that could easily have been avoided.
[QUOTE=Waffler;51092849]I still really can't tell from the video if the guy attempted to open the door - but if you have cops pointing guns at you, commanding you to do something and you make a quick sudden movement such as reaching for a pocket, you are going to get shot. Even if the gun didn't exist or you had nothing on you - the cops don't know that.[/QUOTE]
Even if you have Tourette's Syndrome, or another tic disorder. If you have autism, they'll just shoot the person who is trying to prevent them from shooting you and trying desperately to diffuse the situation. If you are mentally incapacitated or deaf, you will likely be shot as well for not listening to commands in a timely manner or gesturing too aggressively as you try to sign that you cannot hear. If you are intoxicated and cannot hear/remember/understand what is being said, expect to be shot as well.
That's what training is for, is preventing these fuck-ups that irreversibly damage the relationship between the police and the public they are supposed to be protecting (& not only protecting themselves from).
Police need to be trained not to expect everyone to be able to hear and understand them perfectly, because it seems the step after not being heard or understood is "Shoot."
[QUOTE=loopoo;51092977]You'd think one out of the four police officers present would have the frame of mind to pull out a taser and end the confrontation peacefully, no? What use is 4 guns against an unarmed man with his hands raised in the air. If he ain't following orders, tell your colleagues you're gonna holster your own gun and pull out a taser to tase him.
Stupid fucking death that could easily have been avoided.[/QUOTE]
They did have an officer with a taser, Mr. Bad Reading. Thing is, the guilty officer panicked and accidentally shot Terence right when said officer tased him.
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