• Apparently Male Circumcision Permanently Causes Damage to Areas of Brain.
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[quote]When it's inflicted upon females, the civilized world calls it genital mutilation and child abuse. But for males, the medical procedure known as circumcision is still widely performed and accepted (at least in the U.S.), even though science shows that snipping a newborn child's foreskin can cause permanent brain damage, particularly in the areas of the brain associated with reasoning, perception and emotions. A team of nurses approached Dr. Paul Tinari, PhD, of Kingston General Hospital in Ontario, Canada, to make him aware of something which they had been observing for quite some time. Many of the newborn baby boys circumcised at the hospital were exhibiting excruciating levels of pain so severe, the nurses reported, that the behavior of these children seemed to be changing in a tangible and possibly permanent way. In order to verify these claims, Dr. Tinari suggested that the brains of circumcised boys be analyzed both before and after the procedure using functional Magnetic Resonance Imaging (fMRI) and/or Positron Emission Tomography (PET) scanning to look for changes. Using one of the nurse's sons as a test subject -- her husband was insistent upon circumcision, against her better judgment -- the team evaluated the boy both before and after circumcision. The child was initially kept inside the machine for several minutes to generate baseline data on his normal metabolic brain activity. This data was used to perform a comparative analysis after the circumcision procedure. Based on MRI data collected throughout the process, the research team noted "significant trauma" in conjunction with the foreskin removal process, with the most pronounced brain changes occurring in the limbic system, which includes the amygdala and frontal and temporal lobes. After presenting these results to a neurologist, it was interpreted that the circumcision process had inflicted extreme trauma on the boy, so much so that his entire sense of reasoning, perception and emotions were thrown off kilter. And follow-up tests conducted one day, one week and one month after surgery revealed that these changes were permanent -- the circumcised boy's brain would likely never return to its normal baseline configuration.[/quote] [url]http://www.naturalnews.com/048907_male_circumcision_brain_damage_child_abuse.html[/url] [quote] Two of my physics professors at Queen's University (Dr. Stewart & Dr. McKee) were the original developers of Positron Emission Tomography (PET) for medical applications. They and a number of other Queen's physicists also worked on improving the accuracy of functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) for observing metabolic activity within the human body. As a graduate student working in the Dept. of Epidemiology, I was approached by a group of nurses who were attempting to organize a protest against male infant circumcision in Kingston General Hospital. They said that their observations indicated that babies undergoing the procedure were subjected to significant and inhumane levels of pain that subsequently adversely affected their behaviors. They said that they needed some scientific support for their position. It was my idea to use fMRI and/or PET scanning to directly observe the effects of circumcision on the infant brain. The operator of the MRI machine in the hospital was a friend of mine, and he agreed to allow us to use the machine for research after normal operational hours. We also found a nurse who was under intense pressure by her husband to have her newborn son circumcised, and she was willing to have her son to be the subject of the study. Her goal was to provide scientific information that would eventually be used to ban male infant circumcision. Since no permission of the ethics committee was required to perform any routine male infant circumcision, we did not feel it was necessary to seek any permission to carry out this study. We tightly strapped an infant to a traditional plastic "circumstraint" using Velcro restraints. We also completely immobilized the infant's head using standard surgical tape. The entire apparatus was then introduced into the MRI chamber. Since no metal objects could be used because of the high magnetic fields, the doctor who performed the surgery used a plastic bell with a sterilized obsidian bade to cut the foreskin. No anesthetic was used.[/quote] [url]http://www.circumcision.org/brain.htm[/url] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Bad Sources" - rilez))[/highlight]
Other than tradition what other "reason" is there to circumcise a cock?
[QUOTE=EuSKalduna;47296846]Other than tradition what other "reason" is there to circumcise a cock?[/QUOTE] Used to be cleaner but since the invention of basic hygiene there's really no reason other than tradition.
[QUOTE=EuSKalduna;47296846]Other than tradition what other "reason" is there to circumcise a cock?[/QUOTE] some born-with genetic effects, otherwise not much else, a lot of the other medical reasons cited are usually on the same level as "you can't break your wrist if you cut off your arm"
Here we go again.
[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;47296863]Used to be cleaner but since the invention of basic hygiene there's really no reason other than tradition.[/QUOTE] boys growing up have trouble with "basic hygiene"... and then overnight it seems, they get it.
Can we ban cutting shit off of babies if it's not necessary?
[QUOTE=EuSKalduna;47296846]Other than tradition what other "reason" is there to circumcise a cock?[/QUOTE] god will be angry if you dont do it [editline]10th March 2015[/editline] look out
While I wouldn't necessarily doubt this - you're removing a large amount of nerve endings very early on. Both of the sources are very, very biased looking.
Your source is NaturalNews, who routinely misrepresent and even fabricate medical stories with blatant, scientifically unsubstantiated ~~all natural~ bullshit.
Considering how common place it is, it shouldn't be long to get substantially more results to verify/deny this.
"Its ok because they won't remember it" you wouldn't slap a baby just because they won't remember it, would you? so why would you cut them?
The most viewed article on the first source is "Companies begin planting microchips under employees' skin" 2nd most is "Inuit Elders tell NASA Earth Axis Shifted"
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;47296920]Your source is NaturalNews, who routinely misrepresent and even fabricate medical stories with blatant, scientifically unsubstantiated ~~all natural~ bullshit.[/QUOTE] Oh good, so I guess I got the stupid from somewhere else then.
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;47296920]Your source is NaturalNews, who routinely misrepresent and even fabricate medical stories with blatant, scientifically unsubstantiated ~~all natural~ bullshit.[/QUOTE] I'm guessing you're circumcised then?
[url=http://www.naturalnews.com/048940_measles_outbreak_virus_shedding_Disneyland.html]This[/url] [url=http://www.naturalnews.com/048939_lithium_drinking_water_forced_medication.html]website[/url] [url=http://www.naturalnews.com/048942_US_Navy_sailors_Fukushima_radiation.html]again?[/url]
Unless your doing it with a rock and a blade like in Africa its not lol [QUOTE=asteroidrules;47296945][url=http://www.naturalnews.com/048942_US_Navy_sailors_Fukushima_radiation.html]again?[/url][/QUOTE] This is sourced on multiple websites
I really don't see any reason to take their word, evidence speaks for itself. find the study.
[QUOTE=J!NX;47296933]"Its ok because they won't remember it" you wouldn't slap a baby just because they won't remember it, would you? so why would you cut them?[/QUOTE] Besides, isn't there evidence that even though a baby can't rationalize what's going on enough to make actual memories, things can still have a pretty big impact later in life? [QUOTE=asteroidrules;47296945][url=http://www.naturalnews.com/048940_measles_outbreak_virus_shedding_Disneyland.html]This[/url] [url=http://www.naturalnews.com/048939_lithium_drinking_water_forced_medication.html]website[/url] [url=http://www.naturalnews.com/048942_US_Navy_sailors_Fukushima_radiation.html]again?[/url][/QUOTE] Oh wow, that is some stupid bullshit
Get a real source, naturalnews is absolute trash.
[QUOTE=Explosions;47296902]god will be angry if you dont do it [editline]10th March 2015[/editline] look out[/QUOTE] We must pay tribute unto him with our cock skin rings
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;47296920]Your source is NaturalNews, who routinely misrepresent and even fabricate medical stories with blatant, scientifically unsubstantiated ~~all natural~ bullshit.[/QUOTE] I think you missed the other link
This kind of experiment is very easy to replicate and redo, so I'd like to see this done on a large sample size. Personally I'm against snipping, but one baby is not enough evidence. Thousands of babies are going to get circumsized anyway, so I'd say it's important we redo this and look into the long term effects on the brain and development. It's nice to see some actual data being gathered though rather than just bullshit arguments. If people think circumcision has no downsides, then they should be perfectly willing to put their children up for an unintrusive MRI while the process goes down to prove their point.
[QUOTE=SenhorCreeper;47296975]I think you missed the other link[/QUOTE] I don't see any peer-reviewed research in that second link, just the improper "experiments" some doctor with an obvious bias tried. The guy's explanation for not being able to publish his work also makes zero sense: no hospital would ever block publication and peer review of research just because whatever is being studied is legal and thought to be okay. That's not how research works. If his study was really blocked by the hospital ethics committee, it was probably for something he refuses to acknowledge, like failing to include control groups, his use of personal friends in the experiments instead of properly selecting subjects (a la Andrew Wakefield and his test subjects from his son's birthday party), etc etc.
[QUOTE=SenhorCreeper;47296975]I think you missed the other link[/QUOTE] The other site's bias is even more blatant and its claim even less adequately sourced.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;47296957]Get a real source, naturalnews is absolute trash.[/QUOTE] I'm guessing you're Jewish then? [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Shit Posting" - rilez))[/highlight] [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("gimmick" - Orkel))[/highlight]
Is anesthetic usually not used during this process?
I was circumcised due to the skin being too tight, apparently I pissed like a fountain afterwards :v:
[QUOTE=Jaehead;47297010]Is anesthetic usually not used during this process?[/QUOTE] Anesthetic on a newborn?
[quote]science shows that snipping a newborn child's foreskin can cause permanent brain damage, particularly in the areas of the brain associated with reasoning, perception and emotions.[/quote] I don't have troublES WITH MY EMOTIONS, [B]SHUT THE FUCK UP[/B]
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