• 3 dead after crossbow attack in Toronto
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[QUOTE]Three people have died after an attack involving a crossbow in Toronto’s east end. Toronto paramedics said two males and one female were pronounced dead at the scene. One male was transported to hospital with minor injuries. Police say the man who placed the call to 911 is one of the deceased. A man has been taken into custody, police said, and there doesn’t appear to be any suspects outstanding[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/canada/3-dead-after-crossbow-attack-in-toronto-1.3044118[/url]
[url]http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/3-dead-after-crossbow-attack-in-toronto-1.3044118[/url]
May as well share an additional source, since my thread got closed :V [url]https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2016/08/25/three-people-shot-dead-with-crossbow-in-east-end.html[/url]
Now that I think about it, the laws England has on crossbows don't seem that far fatched anymore.
i hope we get more info on this soon. its too weird to just fall off the radar.
[QUOTE=Butthurter;50946685]why does the source link to a news about anne hathaways ex [editline]26th August 2016[/editline] from 2008[/QUOTE] Whoops, chopped off too much from the url. Fixed it now
[url=http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/man-handed-life-sentence-in-toronto-crossbow-killing-of-abusive-father/article4517661/]This isn't the first one either.[/url] Then again Scarborough is basically the shithole of Toronto. Nobody ever has anything good to say about Scarberia, not even the people who live there. It's not entirely true that all of Scarborough is one massive ghetto, but ask anyone from anywhere else in the Greater Toronto Area and they'll basically just say that it's easier to assume that all of Scarborough is a massive ghetto.
Pretty medieval shit.
I was literally just driving downtown on the east end while this was happening. Few streets away. So weird to be right next to this shit.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;50946835][url=http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/man-handed-life-sentence-in-toronto-crossbow-killing-of-abusive-father/article4517661/]This isn't the first one either.[/url] Then again Scarborough is basically the shithole of Toronto. Nobody ever has anything good to say about Scarberia, not even the people who live there. It's not entirely true that all of Scarborough is one massive ghetto, but ask anyone from anywhere else in the Greater Toronto Area and they'll basically just say that it's easier to assume that all of Scarborough is a massive ghetto.[/QUOTE] Wow, hadn't heard of that one. Sad story. At least he'll get out of jail at 36. In that guy's position, I honestly can't say I wouldn't have done the same.
Soon medieval shields and swords.
"I'm sorry, yo. I don't wanna be the first nigga to die from a crossbow!"
and this is why gun control is a waste of time. if the guy wants to cause harm, he'll find a way. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Derailing" - GunFox))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=Pops;50948284]and this is why gun control is a waste of time. if the guy wants to cause harm, he'll find a way.[/QUOTE] For all you know, if they had a gun there would be 20 people dead
[QUOTE=Pops;50948284]and this is why gun control is a waste of time. if the guy wants to cause harm, he'll find a way.[/QUOTE] "Noo dude don't shit up this thread with yer political views bra" -[I]Person who shits up gun massacre threads with their anti-gun views.[/I]
[QUOTE=Pops;50948284]and this is why gun control is a waste of time. if the guy wants to cause harm, he'll find a way.[/QUOTE] this isn't even about guns this story had nothing to do about guns no need for moderation, if a guy wants to derail a thread, he'll find a way
[QUOTE=Rika-chan;50948296]For all you know, if they had a gun there would be 20 people dead[/QUOTE] tell that to the crazy chinese people who go on stabbing sprees. the weapon itself doesn't matter, it's the intent to cause harm. [QUOTE=Megadave;50948306]"Noo dude don't shit up this thread with yer political views bra" -[I]Person who shits up gun massacre threads with their anti-gun views.[/I][/QUOTE] i had to, someone else would have done it eventually. my overall point is that regardless of what thing you eliminate, something else will fill the gap because this world is eternally fucked. that's it, i'm done ranting.
[QUOTE=Megadave;50948306]"Noo dude don't shit up this thread with yer political views bra" -[I]Person who shits up gun massacre threads with their anti-gun views.[/I][/QUOTE] You gotta try a little harder with the strawman there guy.
[QUOTE=Broguts;50948319]You gotta try a little harder with the strawman there guy.[/QUOTE] Is it still a strawsman even if it's true?
[QUOTE=Broguts;50948319]You gotta try a little harder with the strawman there guy.[/QUOTE] not really a strawman [QUOTE=Sobotnik;50948314]this isn't even about guns this story had nothing to do about guns no need for moderation, if a guy wants to derail a thread, he'll find a way[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;50946343]It's not just a European mindset -it's most likely one that'll become common in America given enough time. Much of the USA was created in the past two centuries, and there were large areas of land unsettled even a century ago. Given enough time the American peoples will continue settling down, abandoning this "frontier" mentality, and creating a less-wild form of society. It's already under process in America, but It'll take a few centuries for Americans to have built up the kind of society common over in Europe. Until then you are going to get a lot of people holding onto the romantic ideal of guns preserving American society from tyranny and protecting you from criminals rather than the unwelcome reality that a lot of businesses and politicians have made careers out of exploiting the fear of gun owners and turning them into an effective political machine so that they could lobby for favourable gun legislation that benefits few. It's resulted in the creation of a lot of angry militia and sovereign citizen types who hoard guns when a black man is elected president.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Pops;50948317]tell that to the crazy chinese people who go on stabbing sprees. the weapon itself doesn't matter, it's the intent to cause harm. i had to, someone else would have done it eventually. my overall point is that regardless of what thing you eliminate, something else will fill the gap because this world is eternally fucked. that's it, i'm done ranting.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Rika-chan;50948296]For all you know, if they had a gun there would be 20 people dead[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Samiam22;50948386]clairvoyance[/QUOTE] It's a good thing we've got fortune tellers among us. For all we know, if they had a frozen sausage, some twist of fate might have allowed them to bludgeon 25 people to death. But that's not what happened. What happened is someone who had a drive to commit murder found a way to do it when he couldn't get a firearm, and people still died. I don't accept "oh well 3 people died instead of 4 we did it we beat crime".
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;50948398]It's a good thing we've got fortune tellers among us. For all we know, if they had a frozen sausage, some twist of fate might have allowed them to bludgeon 25 people to death. But that's not what happened. What happened is someone who had a drive to commit murder found a way to do it when he couldn't get a firearm, and people still died.[/QUOTE] Guns are more lethal than crossbows. Guns are literally a direct result of technological evolution in projectile weaponry.
[QUOTE=Samiam22;50948415]Guns are more lethal than crossbows. Guns are literally a direct result of technological evolution in projectile weaponry.[/QUOTE] Guns are an evolution in convenience. Crossbows are by far more lethal within a normal engagement range than the average consumer firearm.
[QUOTE=Samiam22;50948415]Guns are more lethal than crossbows. Guns are literally a direct result of technological evolution in projectile weaponry.[/QUOTE] you're still missing the point. would a gun allow more deaths? more than likely, it's not difficult to point and click at all. does a crossbow change anything? the number of deaths, but that's about it. fuck it, let's take a look at england for a moment here. highest violence rate in the eu (or rather, when it was still a part of the eu, now just most violent country in europe) for the past several years, and that was before/after not only banning guns, but also banning fucking kitchen knives, because when the guns were taken away, the ire of people led them to become more savage. did the gun crime rate go down? tremendously, there is no debating that. did the knife crime rate go down? also yes. did the crime rate go down? no, it went up instead.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;50948422]Guns are an evolution in convenience. Crossbows are by far more lethal than the average consumer firearm.[/QUOTE] Yeah a single bolt is more lethal than a single bullet but you will fire a second shot from almost any gun faster than you will from a crossbow
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;50948422]Guns are an evolution in convenience. Crossbows are by far more lethal than the average consumer firearm.[/QUOTE] I would rather be hit with a crossbow bolt than a .223 remington or a 00 buckshot. I would also rather the person shooting at me only being able to fire once and have to deal with 75 kilograms of draw weight than being able to fire at me multiple times until he gets it right. I am sure I am not the only one with this sentiment.
[QUOTE=Samiam22;50948440]I would rather be hit with a crossbow bolt than a .223 remington or a 00 buckshot. I would also rather the person shooting at me only being able to fire once and have to deal with 75 kilograms of draw weight than being able to fire at me multiple times until he gets it right. I am sure I am not the only one with this sentiment.[/QUOTE] As someone who owns both and has seen the effects of both on a variety of targets I would rather be hit with a bullet any day of the week. I bought a 180 pounder for $40 when I was 14. This bow will happily bury broadhead tips in solid oak trees, deep enough that they can't be removed without the bolt body shearing. It is more than capable of exploding bones, rupturing multiple organs and shredding enough meat to cause massive, irrecoverable bleeding. I guarantee these people bled to death before responders could arrive. You can't do anything about that kind of damage. The survivor was likely winged. Bullet wounds can be stabilized on-scene with whatever's lying around.
[QUOTE=Pops;50948435]you're still missing the point. would a gun allow more deaths? more than likely, it's not difficult to point and click at all. does a crossbow change anything? [B]the number of deaths, but that's about it.[/B][/QUOTE] But that's what we're arguing. A gun would have resulted in more deaths with a crossbow. Nobody is saying guns make you kill people. People kill people, guns just let them do more damage.
[QUOTE=Samiam22;50948483]But that's what we're arguing. A gun would have resulted in more deaths with a crossbow. Nobody is saying guns make you kill people. People kill people, guns just let them do more damage.[/QUOTE] A gun would likely have caused more casualties, but not necessarily more deaths. I can't stress enough how lucky the surviving victim is. You do not understand the damage a crossbow can do to a human.
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