As always, nobody is surprised that the vast majority of people don't want to purchase an iteration of Windows that provides no tangible benefits and has a steep learning curve.
I personally love Windows 8 and the Metro UI and I don't think I could go back to the classic start menu.
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[QUOTE=Protocol7;43911219]As always, nobody is surprised that the vast majority of people don't want to purchase an iteration of Windows that provides no tangible benefits and has a steep learning curve.[/QUOTE]
How exactly does it have a steep learning curve?
[QUOTE=Protocol7;43911219]As always, nobody is surprised that the vast majority of people don't want to purchase an iteration of Windows that provides no tangible benefits and [b]has a steep learning curve.[/b][/QUOTE]
I didn't think operation systems had learning curves.
[QUOTE=Coyoteze;43911287]How exactly does it have a steep learning curve?[/QUOTE]
It's steep compared to the learning flatline of moving from XP to Vista/7.
After using 8/8.1 for so long, i could never go back to 7.
[QUOTE=Coyoteze;43911287]I personally love Windows 8 and the Metro UI and I don't think I could go back to the classic start menu.
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How exactly does it have a steep learning curve?[/QUOTE]
If you want to use the new panel-based UI that's where the learning curve comes in because no other Windows iteration has used it, or at least that's what I assume he meant
[QUOTE=Coyoteze;43911287]How exactly does it have a steep learning curve?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Amaurus;43911316]I didn't think operation systems had learning curves.[/QUOTE]
So completely removing the method of opening applications that people have used for years and putting something completely new and different isn't a learning curve?
Understand that you are more technologically apt than most people and that I am a staunch supporter of Windows 8.1.
because more than 100 million people bought windows 7 computers then they just don't need new PC's
[QUOTE=Coyoteze;43911287]
How exactly does it have a steep learning curve?[/QUOTE]
Most people have been using the same environment for most of their lives, up to 20 years of the same thing. Then W8 comes along and completely changes things, people who don't know computers suddenly need to learn a whole new thing.
[QUOTE=Amaurus;43911316]I didn't think operation systems had learning curves.[/QUOTE]
Have you never Linuxed?
I don't mind some things about Windows 8. The login screen looks glorious but I have just disabled all of the Metro features as they just don't fit. Like gestures where you drag the curser down the sides, it is CLEARLY designed for tablets and these features should be left out or at least used in a more efficient way for PC users.
Not really a surprise it didn't sell well, considering even Microsoft are saying "Yeah it's not great".
I [U]greatly[/U] prefer 8.1 over windows 7.
that being said this doesn't surprise me. I like it because I wanted something fresh. In fact, I found metro much better than start, but that's totally to the eyes of the beholder.
8.1 is great, 7 isn't that much greater, but in its time, windows 7 was really a wonderchild of a OS and it still is. That's not to say 8.1 is, but 8.1 is pretty much a reskinned windows 7 that's better optimized for office.
Aside from a fresh look you aren't really getting anything from going from 7 to 8. I'm happy that I did that, but, that's because I got an [U]entirely new computer[/U] as well as a new OS.
Basically, don't buy windows 8.1 if you have windows 7. You aren't going to get anything special. I'm sure it's a joy if you're new to computers though.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;43911336]So completely removing the method of opening applications that people have used for years and putting something completely new and different isn't a learning curve?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;43911357]Most people have been using the same environment for most of their lives, up to 20 years of the same thing. Then W8 comes along and completely changes things, people who don't know computers suddenly need to learn a whole new thing.[/QUOTE]
... you click the bottom left corner and a window pops up with all your installed programs - start typing and it searches for programs, files and folders that matches that query.
How is that any more complex than the original Start menu?
[QUOTE=Coyoteze;43911596]... you click the bottom left corner and a window pops up with all your installed programs - start typing and it searches for programs, files and folders that matches that query.
How is that any more complex than the original Start menu?[/QUOTE]
Metro is much more simple than start.
Start existed in the original days of commercial computers, so it's pretty basic, but metro is much more simple. Tiny or giant buttons for your stuff, how easy can it be? it's not dumbed down, but it's definitely less complicated. That's not to say startup isn't better. Start up has it's advantages. But this isn't search.
and winkey-s, it's just simple, you press it, type "chr" and hit enter and bam chrome. Nothing to it. it's pretty much a reskinned w7 style search though.
I think it's absolutely ridiculous to think Windows 8 has a steeper learning curve. Windows 8 is [I]easier[/I] than 7, especially for new users that actually reads and remembers the tutorial they give you when you first use it. They tell you how to use gestures, and the settings are there, worded. For the basic user, Windows 8 is one of the easiest OS's to learn. Everything is labeled and explained explicitly. For a power user? It takes minor adjustments to get used to it, like with every new OS. In fact, 7 to 8 has arguably the most minor adjustments. Windows 8 is almost identical to using 7, except it has Metro added on.
However, it's exactly like that why Windows 8 isn't selling as well. It's too similar. Not much motivation. I can't recommend to people to upgrade to 8 from 7. The price isn't worth it.
[QUOTE=Coyoteze;43911596]... you click the bottom left corner and a window pops up with all your installed programs - start typing and it searches for programs, files and folders that matches that query.
How is that any more complex than the original Start menu?[/QUOTE]
It isn't, but the vast majority of Windows users are brain dead idiots when it comes to technology. Any change, no matter how small or large, is far too complex for them.
Here's the thing, I like windows 8(.1) because it runs smoother and is more optimized than windows 7. The only problem is... [I][B]It's too fucking ugly![/B][/I] I mean, sure, I know how to install mods for customization, but the average person doesn't know how to do that. People want something that runs well and looks good. That's why Windows 7 still stands strong. It still runs well AND it looks good.
Still using Vista because I see no problem with it and I don't wanna blow money on some stupid ass upgrade that doesn't do anything.
Problem is 8 and 8.1 sucks for businesses and is a complete loss of productivity without something like Classic shell or win8start. Not to mention backwards compatibility with business apps is horrendous.
[QUOTE=mc lovin;43912030]Problem is 8 and 8.1 sucks for businesses and is a complete loss of productivity without something like Classic shell or win8start. Not to mention backwards compatibility with business apps is horrendous.[/QUOTE]
Business app compatibility is horrendous regardless of operating system. Why do you think businesses are having a hard time getting off XP? They are pretty much designed to run in this specific enviroment and if a you so much move an icon, the entire thing comes burning to the ground. Update Java to fix a security flaw? Well that's too bad you lose connectivity with the customer database.
[QUOTE=LegndNikko;43911814]I think it's absolutely ridiculous to think Windows 8 has a steeper learning curve. Windows 8 is [I]easier[/I] than 7, especially for new users that actually reads and remembers the tutorial they give you when you first use it. They tell you how to use gestures, and the settings are there, worded. For the basic user, Windows 8 is one of the easiest OS's to learn. Everything is labeled and explained explicitly. For a power user? It takes minor adjustments to get used to it, like with every new OS. In fact, 7 to 8 has arguably the most minor adjustments. [B]Windows 8 is almost identical to using 7[/B], except it has Metro added on.
However, it's exactly like that why Windows 8 isn't selling as well. [B]It's too similar.[/B] Not much motivation. I can't recommend to people to upgrade to 8 from 7. The price isn't worth it.[/QUOTE]
It couldn't have been more different what the hell are you talking about?
[img]http://technewspedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/18098_w8vsw7-portada.jpg[/img]
How are these similar at all?
[QUOTE=Amaurus;43911316]I didn't think operation systems had learning curves.[/QUOTE]
Have you only ever used one operating system?
[QUOTE=Frustration96;43912130]It couldn't have been more different what the hell are you talking about?
[img]http://technewspedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/18098_w8vsw7-portada.jpg[/img]
How are these similar at all?[/QUOTE]
They both launch applications, the start screen is just a full screen start menu. You've never used 8, have you?
[QUOTE=Demache;43912084]Business app compatibility is horrendous regardless of operating system. Why do you think businesses are having a hard time getting off XP? They are pretty much designed to run in this specific enviroment and if a you so much move an icon, the entire thing comes burning to the ground. Update Java to fix a security flaw? Well that's too bad you lose connectivity with the customer database.[/QUOTE]
Windows 7 was really good, and XP mode was great as well.
Windows 8 just drops a bunch of that, the embedded flash is a mistake just like it was in XP, so is with some of the java built in stuff which overtime will cause MASSIVE security targets to be expoited.
I have windows 8 and it isn't too bad after you get over the initial shock. Very much like vista i haven't had any too bad problems with it.
Just that windows 8 has bunch of shit that only mobile OS should have. And it really makes it look like sort of OS port from mobiles, which is really weird.
Oh boy here we go.
[QUOTE=Coyoteze;43911287]I personally love Windows 8 and the Metro UI and I don't think I could go back to the classic start menu.
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How exactly does it have a steep learning curve?[/QUOTE]
I still don't know how to access certain network settings that were easy peasy in 7, hell some are even removed.
well if you take the time to learn windows 8 you'll like it
if you use it knowing you're going to hate it then you'll hate it
[QUOTE=Frustration96;43912130]
[img]http://technewspedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/18098_w8vsw7-portada.jpg[/img]
How are these similar at all?[/QUOTE]
Other than both literally having the same content and doing the exact same thing? Please tell me the last time you had to do something outside of the start menu while you had the start menu open.
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[QUOTE=Killuah;43912570]I still don't know how to access certain network settings that were easy peasy in 7, hell some are even removed.[/QUOTE]
Type the name of the setting at the start screen.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/s8TQNm3.png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=ArcticRevrus;43912620]Other than both literally having the same content and doing the exact same thing? Please tell me the last time you had to do something outside of the start menu while you had the start menu open.
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Type the name of the setting at the start screen.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/s8TQNm3.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
setting passwords of wifi networks you are not connected to manually is just not a feature of the damn OS
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