"Australia should be a nation of lifters, not leaners"-Treasurer, commenting on the budget
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[QUOTE][url]http://www.abc.net.au/news/story-streams/federal-budget-2014/[/url]
Key points from the budget include $20 billion to establish a Medical Research Future Fund, cuts to health and hospital funding, $11.6b to be spent on infrastructure, foreign aid slashed by nearly $8 billion, a deficit tax for those earning $180,000 per year, a rise in the retirement age to 70 by 2035 and fuel excise to rise twice a year.[/QUOTE]
It's like playing a game of democracy 2 :eng101:
Most of those policies don't seem too bad, especially the med research thingie.I'd love to hear an aussie's view on this though.
Well, only stupid people would vote for him after this budget, so...
I don't think the budget is necessarily a bad idea, but its really the fact on how unwilling Hockey and Abbott are to make any compromise with it.
I mean I like how they are finally putting money into Melbourne's public transport sector, but not the fact that they are deregulating university fees and making even more cuts to Medicare. There is a lot more bad stuff in this then there is good imo.
The budget is not awful, I mean it could be worse. But the problem is that they were elected on the basis of no cuts to health and no tax rises. They've broken both of those promises and effectively invalidated their mandate to push this budget through. If a general election were to happen right now and the Ministry would survive it, then they would have the mandate to implement this budget and I'd respect their right to do that.
It's last famous lifter died from a heart defect
Our country is doing great because of it's good education, medical system and welfare system.
Better cut them.
Liberal is full of fucking retards and the new budget does nothing but shaft me and nearly everyone I know, and I'm not exactly doing amazing to start with.
That labour guy bill shorten said that the ratio of workers to pensioners will be 2 to 1 in 2020, whereas when labour governed it was 7 to 1. Is that true?
Also, if the liberals are gonna face in favor of labour, would social conservatism still be in place?
Are the labourers advocating for immigration? because I don't see how that ratio would be changed in any other way...just wondering if aussies agree with it, or with the "we're full" catchphrase.
Basically he's saying us rich cunts are the leaners and those working middle and low class are the lifters.
[QUOTE=godfatherk;44863502]That labour guy bill shorten said that the ratio of workers to pensioners will be 2 to 1 in 2020, whereas when labour governed it was 7 to 1. Is that true?
Also, if the liberals are gonna face in favor of labour, would social conservatism still be in place?
Are the labourers advocating for immigration? because I don't see how that ratio would be changed in any other way...just wondering if aussies agree with it, or with the "we're full" catchphrase.[/QUOTE]
- Ageing population. The ratio of pensioners to the work force will increase no matter who is in charge.
- Labor, not Labour; and their politicians certainly aren't labourers.
- Neither party is anti-immigration. They each have different policies of dealing with asylum seekers who arrive via boat (and not all immigrants arrive via boat).
- I don't understand what you mean by the social conservatism sentence. Liberal party is the socially conservative party while Labor is the progressive party.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;44863655]- Ageing population. The ratio of pensioners to the work force will increase no matter who is in charge.
- Labor, not Labour; and their politicians certainly aren't labourers.
- Neither party is anti-immigration. They each have different policies of dealing with asylum seekers who arrive via boat (and not all immigrants arrive via boat).
- I don't understand what you mean by the social conservatism sentence. Liberal party is the socially conservative party while Labor is the progressive party.[/QUOTE]
Oh I wasn't aware that it was spelled differently than in UK's labour party.
I just got my suspicions confirmed [URL="http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/may/15/bill-shortens-2014-budget-reply-speech-video"]in this video.[/URL]
Anyway does immigration rules apply the same on all countries? Does it favour commonwealth nations? I've been reading on reddit about usa citizens having a hard time with immigration to AUS.What do you have do to to get in and stay as a law abiding citizen?
Literally the worst budget I've ever seen and he was so godawful on Q&A
one guy got up and said "A lot of my friends in tasmania have just completed university degrees in sectors where there would usually be jobs, but at the moment there doesn't happen to be any - they are looking for other work but because of your cuts to newstart they can't make any money at the moment. What are they meant to do under your changes"
Hockey's response was that he told the guy that his friends needed to 'earn or learn' and the guy was like, no, my friends already have learned, now they are looking to earn, they can do neither now because of your budget and hockey just kept repeating the same phrase like a fucking mantra
The deregulation of university fees is literally the worst thing I've ever heard - I go to the University of New South Wales which is considered to be a pretty high up uni and they're going to start charging people a hell of a lot more to go there. Current literature says that they'll begin by putting fees on law, business and medicine degrees because these degrees have higher returns on graduation financially but in essence it means they're restricting these degrees to the people who can afford the higher fees, thus reinforcing the growing class divide in Australia. Basically allowing the rich to get richer by doing medicine degrees.
At a whole, I believe the budget, or at least a similar budget with cuts is necessary to reverse our debt.
That being said, the targets in this budget are a bit crude. It essentially takes money from the pockets of:
>Young people on Welfare
>Students studying at university
>Pensioners
>People without private healthcare
There's only small tax increases to those on a higher earning scale, which will hardly affect them in the slightest compared to how it's affecting those without money.
I think that not taxing large corporations is however, a good decision, because they're still laying off scores of employees as it is at the moment.
[QUOTE=killerteacup;44863738]Literally the worst budget I've ever seen and he was so godawful on Q&A
one guy got up and said "A lot of my friends in tasmania have just completed university degrees in sectors where there would usually be jobs, but at the moment there doesn't happen to be any - they are looking for other work but because of your cuts to newstart they can't make any money at the moment. What are they meant to do under your changes"
Hockey's response was that he told the guy that his friends needed to 'earn or learn' and the guy was like, no, my friends already have learned, now they are looking to earn, they can do neither now because of your budget and hockey just kept repeating the same phrase like a fucking mantra
The deregulation of university fees is literally the worst thing I've ever heard - I go to the University of New South Wales which is considered to be a pretty high up uni and they're going to start charging people a hell of a lot more to go there. Current literature says that they'll begin by putting fees on law, business and medicine degrees because these degrees have higher returns on graduation financially but in essence it means they're restricting these degrees to the people who can afford the higher fees, thus reinforcing the growing class divide in Australia. Basically allowing the rich to get richer by doing medicine degrees.[/QUOTE]
This is the reason why university students across the country are [URL="http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-20/prime-minister-cancels-geelong-uni-visit-student-protests/5466026"]protesting today[/URL].
[QUOTE=IForgotPassword;44863740]It essentially takes money from the pockets of:
>Young people on Welfare
>Students studying at university
>Pensioners
>People without private healthcare[/QUOTE]
..and the disabled.
..and families with a low combined income.
..and motorists.
I am waiting for the downfall of Tony Abbott, hopefully it will happen soon, and if I am correct and didn't read it wrong, does it mean that they don't agree with the budget and think it is shit? The news article.
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Having trouble understanding it since I know nothing about politics and this stuff.
[QUOTE=killerteacup;44863738]Literally the worst budget I've ever seen and he was so godawful on Q&A
one guy got up and said "A lot of my friends in tasmania have just completed university degrees in sectors where there would usually be jobs, but at the moment there doesn't happen to be any - they are looking for other work but because of your cuts to newstart they can't make any money at the moment. What are they meant to do under your changes"
Hockey's response was that he told the guy that his friends needed to 'earn or learn' and the guy was like, no, my friends already have learned, now they are looking to earn, they can do neither now because of your budget and hockey just kept repeating the same phrase like a fucking mantra
The deregulation of university fees is literally the worst thing I've ever heard - I go to the University of New South Wales which is considered to be a pretty high up uni and they're going to start charging people a hell of a lot more to go there. Current literature says that they'll begin by putting fees on law, business and medicine degrees because these degrees have higher returns on graduation financially but in essence it means they're restricting these degrees to the people who can afford the higher fees, thus reinforcing the growing class divide in Australia. Basically allowing the rich to get richer by doing medicine degrees.[/QUOTE]
Even the most liberal government should stick with universal healthcare&education.
Or govt should give companies the money they would otherwise spend on your higher ed. to get you hired on a min or slightly below min. wage, and have them train you thoroughly, and combine that with an online education platform. You'd have a winner there because you can't have situations where you have people with degrees who can't work in the area they specialized in.
Plus it would be quicker this way,And you learn way more and dedicate yourself fully when you get your hands dirty.
-snip, refer to my other post-
[QUOTE=Xonax;44863847]I am waiting for the downfall of Tony Abbott, hopefully it will happen soon, and if I am correct and didn't read it wrong, does it mean that they don't agree with the budget and think it is shit? The news article.
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Having trouble understanding it since I know nothing about politics and this stuff.[/QUOTE]
Liberals(headed by abbott are governing, they did the budget. the opposition are bashing at them.
policy making is easy pie; you get a fixed amount of money from collected taxes, and you can add up loans eventually.
Then you make a list of priorities; depending on your ideology it can mean using the money to finance a military security force to impose a dictateurship like in east Europe during communism...
or do other stuff like pay for students' university fees and hospital fees like in north Europe.
or give loans to other countries(like Germany did with Greece?)
or do a bunch of other things like hire militias,police,doctors,professors and others.
so many choices, and yet if you don't get your priorities straight you're wrecked.
[QUOTE=Xonax;44863847]I am waiting for the downfall of Tony Abbott, hopefully it will happen soon, and if I am correct and didn't read it wrong, does it mean that they don't agree with the budget and think it is shit? The news article.
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Having trouble understanding it since I know nothing about politics and this stuff.[/QUOTE]
Because Abbott has not only pissed off other major/minor parties, but also LNP state leaders and chief ministers, it is going to be hard to get legislation through the Upper House.
If legislation gets vetoed in a manner similar to how the Republicans were vetoing the ACA, then Abbott can go to Governor-General Cosgrove, and ask for the senate and house to be dissolved; triggering another federal election.
For a history lesson, read up on [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gough_Whitlam"]Gough Whitlam[/URL].
[QUOTE=Bradyns;44863933]Because Abbott has not only pissed off other major/minor parties, but also LNP state leaders and chief ministers, it is going to be hard to get legislation through the Upper House.
If legislation gets vetoed in a manner similar to how the Republicans were vetoing the ACA, then Abbott can go to Governor-General Cosgrove, and ask for the senate and house to be dissolved; triggering another federal election.[/QUOTE]
Can't abbott make concessions regarding the budget and ease up on the policies wich the opposition are against, so that the legislation can pass?
But then I guess he'd loose his ideological edge as a full fledged liberal.perhaps he'd even loose his liberal electorate?
Either way he'll get ripped to pieces, his PR aint too good...
[QUOTE=godfatherk;44863979]Can't abbott make concessions regarding the budget and ease up on the policies wich the opposition are against, so that the legislation can pass?
But then I guess he'd loose his ideological edge as a full fledged liberal.perhaps he'd even loose his liberal electorate?
Either way he'll get ripped to pieces, his PR aint too good...[/QUOTE]
Liberal voters are already calling this the one term government, if they even last that long...
[QUOTE=Bradyns;44863766]This is the reason why university students across the country are [URL="http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-20/prime-minister-cancels-geelong-uni-visit-student-protests/5466026"]protesting today[/URL].
..and the disabled.
..and families with a low combined income.
..and motorists.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I know, I'm a university student lol
good on us woo
that said, university students are basically treated pretty bad in Australia - often very poor if they aren't living with their parents but go to centrelink and you basically get seen as a massive whinger despite the fact you have no money, it's awful
my girlfriend got turned away from a centrelink branch because she was told students aren't a priority and don't deserve welfare by an employee there
[editline]21st May 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Vipa;44864032]Liberal voters are already calling this the one term government, if they even last that long...[/QUOTE]
Abbott got into his position from swing voters, not liberal voters, and most swing voters hate his guts now
[QUOTE=godfatherk;44863979]Can't abbott make concessions regarding the budget and ease up on the policies wich the opposition are against, so that the legislation can pass?
But then I guess he'd loose his ideological edge as a full fledged liberal.perhaps he'd even loose his liberal electorate?
Either way he'll get ripped to pieces, his PR aint too good...[/QUOTE]
you'd be surprised
[editline]21st May 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Bradyns;44863933]Because Abbott has not only pissed off other major/minor parties, but also LNP state leaders and chief ministers, it is going to be hard to get legislation through the Upper House.
If legislation gets vetoed in a manner similar to how the Republicans were vetoing the ACA, then Abbott can go to Governor-General Cosgrove, and ask for the senate and house to be dissolved; triggering another federal election.
For a history lesson, read up on [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gough_Whitlam"]Gough Whitlam[/URL].[/QUOTE]
Senate changes hands in October - and at that point it'll be a lot easier for him to push his legislation through because the new Senate has no majority, and lots of independent parties so it'll be very difficult for the opposition to form a bloc
[QUOTE=Rexxasaurus;44863239]I mean I like how they are finally putting money into Melbourne's public transport sector, but not the fact that they are deregulating university fees and making even more cuts to Medicare. There is a lot more bad stuff in this then there is good imo.[/QUOTE]
I think you're a bit confused.
The Commonwealth Budget isn't allocating any money to public transport in Melbourne (bar Regional Rail Link). All the $7.6 billion allocated to Victoria is going to the East West Link.
Any money going into public transport is coming from the State of Victoria.
[editline]21st May 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=killerteacup;44864792]Senate changes hands in October - and at that point it'll be a lot easier for him to push his legislation through because the new Senate has no majority, and lots of independent parties so it'll be very difficult for the opposition to form a bloc[/QUOTE]
The Senate changes in July (Territory Senators have already changed), and it is definitely not going to be much easier for Abbott to get legislation through the Senate.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;44864822]I think you're a bit confused.
The Commonwealth Budget isn't allocating any money to public transport in Melbourne (bar Regional Rail Link). All the $7.6 billion allocated to Victoria is going to the East West Link.
Any money going into public transport is coming from the State of Victoria.
[/QUOTE]
I hate this budget even more now.
Governor General would be a fucking hero if he just calls a double dissolution right now
Lifters? Is that Australia's version of job-creators and bootstraps?
I like how my potential future has been reduced to a list of catchphrases.
This is my career you're talking about you old fuck.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;44865231]Lifters? Is that Australia's version of job-creators and bootstraps?[/QUOTE]
All those poor people are just going to lift themselves up by the bootstraps and just stop being poor!
I mean, they're obviously poor because they're lazy, not because of any social or economic factors.
[QUOTE=killerteacup;44864792]Yeah I know, I'm a university student lol
good on us woo
that said, university students are basically treated pretty bad in Australia - often very poor if they aren't living with their parents but go to centrelink and you basically get seen as a massive whinger despite the fact you have no money, it's awful
my girlfriend got turned away from a centrelink branch because she was told students aren't a priority and don't deserve welfare by an employee there
[editline]21st May 2014[/editline]
Abbott got into his position from swing voters, not liberal voters, and most swing voters hate his guts now
you'd be surprised
[editline]21st May 2014[/editline]
Senate changes hands in October - and at that point it'll be a lot easier for him to push his legislation through because the new Senate has no majority, and lots of independent parties so it'll be very difficult for the opposition to form a bloc[/QUOTE]
Palmer's party is in disagreement with the Coalition on some points in the budget (mainly education). The Coalition will actually lose one Senator (33, down from 34) come July. The Coalition still has tough negotiations on the horizon.
[editline]21st May 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;44865050]Governor General would be a fucking hero if he just calls a double dissolution right now[/QUOTE]
No he wouldn't be a hero, that would be an abuse of power.
I don't like Tony Abbott either, but someone with the powers of the Governor General must follow the rules. Everyone in government must follow the rules.
Too bad the professionalisation of the Australian job industry demands job-seekers have tertiary qualifications more often than previously. Want to get a well paying job without accruing vast debt? Not possible. We have the ability to provide cheap education for everyone and we sell it out for slogans and false premises. God I hope these changes don't pass
[QUOTE=1239the;44865255]I like how my potential future has been reduced to a list of catchphrases.
This is my career you're talking about you old fuck.[/QUOTE]
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