• 4 vacationing Swedish cops help break up a fight on a New York City subway train
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[url]http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/4-swedish-cops-on-vacation-break-up-nyc-subway-fight-1.2343606[/url] [quote=CTV]Four vacationing Swedish police officers are being hailed as “Nordic heroes” for breaking up a fight on a New York City subway and calmly restraining the alleged attacker. The cops were reportedly on their way to see Les Miserables on Broadway when the fight broke out on their train in Manhattan. The New York Postreports that the Swedes sprang into action when the train operator yelled for help over the intercom. A bystander recorded video of the incident and posted it on YouTube.[/quote]
[video=youtube;izdfnHBMwSs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izdfnHBMwSs[/video] video from the article
Welcome to cops in scandinavia. Also laughed at that guy screaming that he couldn't breathe, when there was literally no force put on his back, hell kinda looks like they were holding him off the floor slightly.
[QUOTE=Kommodore;47592667][video=youtube;izdfnHBMwSs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izdfnHBMwSs[/video] video from the article[/QUOTE] I think "April 23, 2014" is a typo :v:
How embarrassing. Kudos to the Swedish cops.
Different country, different environment. In my opinion, the NYPD are seen by many as corrupt, aggressive, etc. but in reality, with a small city filled with millions of people, cops adapt to the environment the people make for them. I don't know of a better way to explain it, but If these cops worked as NYPD officers for a couple months to a year, I'm sure they'd be seen as another typical NYPD officer with the training and techniques they learn. I don't know if they would've done what they did differently in a worse or the same way they're doing it, but I'm sure people would look at them and call them power-tripping cops because they wear the uniform. Our city (let alone our country) has a pretty mixed bag of people in our society, which I'm sure in Sweden, with a lower populace, there are lower amounts of those people and probably less cases like whats going on here. They did do a good job restraining them. [QUOTE=Crimor;47592725] Also laughed at that guy screaming that he couldn't breathe, when there was literally no force put on his back, hell kinda looks like they were holding him off the floor slightly.[/QUOTE] He was probably having a panic attack
this sounds like the plot to a comedy movie. This summer, 4 off-duty cops on vacation.... realize they're never... off duty. (off duty, in theaters this summer)
[QUOTE=SonicHitman;47592906] He was probably having a panic attack[/QUOTE] Either that or he is the type of shit stirrer that thinks he can get other "innocent" people to defend him from the "evil evil cops with weird accents" I'd go with panic attack, but you never know what people are up to in these sorts of situations. Also why I usually run the fuck away if I see violence breaking out somewhere, if I don't have that option, I just try and hide, either way, I always call for someone to help me contact the cops.
[QUOTE=SonicHitman;47592906]Different country, different environment. In my opinion, the NYPD are seen by many as corrupt, aggressive, etc. but in reality, with a small city filled with millions of people, cops adapt to the environment the people make for them. I don't know of a better way to explain it, but If these cops worked as NYPD officers for a couple months to a year, I'm sure they'd be seen as another typical NYPD officer with the training and techniques they learn. I don't know if they would've done what they did differently in a worse or the same way they're doing it, but I'm sure people would look at them and call them power-tripping cops because they wear the uniform. Our city (let alone our country) has a pretty mixed bag of people in our society, which I'm sure in Sweden, with a lower populace, there are lower amounts of those people and probably less cases like whats going on here. They did do a good job restraining them. He was probably having a panic attack[/QUOTE] You think NYC is a small city?
Small in relation to the amount of people who live there.
[QUOTE=SonicHitman;47592906]Different country, different environment.[/QUOTE] But their approach to the situation was still successful. If training in New York results in worse police officers that's the fault of the department training them and not an inevitable product of a mysterious making-cops-bad force of nature present in the city.
[QUOTE=LSK;47593170]You think NYC is a small city?[/QUOTE] i assume he's referring to the population density
[QUOTE=LSK;47593170]You think NYC is a small city?[/QUOTE] With how many people inhabit it? yes. 27,000 people per square mile is massive for a city that spans only 300 square miles.
The only reason that this is news is because they're foreigners.
[QUOTE=SonicHitman;47592906] He was probably having a panic attack[/QUOTE] And the cops realized that and told him to calm down without being more aggressive
[QUOTE=Crimor;47592725]Also laughed at that guy screaming that he couldn't breathe, when there was literally no force put on his back, hell kinda looks like they were holding him off the floor slightly.[/QUOTE] At least they had the decency to ask "are you alright?" not long after he's told to cool off.
One big difference between Swedish and US police is that the swedish ones are all university graduates, to become a police officer you need to spend some 4-5 years in University. As far as I know this system does not exist in the US and pretty much anyone after high school with somewhat decent grades can become a police officer.
[QUOTE=freaka;47593512]One big difference between Swedish and US police is that the swedish ones are all university graduates, to become a police officer you need to spend some 4-5 years in University. As far as I know this system does not exist in the US and pretty much anyone after high school with somewhat decent grades can become a police officer.[/QUOTE] It boils down to two differences: 1. Sweden has a national police force. 2. Because of that, they can have country regulations. in the US its impossible to have a national police force because the power lies in the states; and even then the states are handcuffed by cities. Also because of that the US cannot regulate nationally the requires for a police officers. A safe bet is the more north you go in the US, the better policing you are going to have because those states do have advanced education requirements. If you want shit-teir policing, go visit California, New Mexico, Arizona, Texas, Florida, and Louisiana. In those states which have the advanced education requirement, most-all have [I]at least[/I] a 4-year degree and are older than 24. I think the average age of hire for my department is 26 with a 4-year.
[QUOTE=SonicHitman;47592906]Different country, different environment. In my opinion, the NYPD are seen by many as corrupt, aggressive, etc. but in reality, with a small city filled with millions of people, cops adapt to the environment the people make for them. I don't know of a better way to explain it, but If these cops worked as NYPD officers for a couple months to a year, I'm sure they'd be seen as another typical NYPD officer with the training and techniques they learn. I don't know if they would've done what they did differently in a worse or the same way they're doing it, but I'm sure people would look at them and call them power-tripping cops because they wear the uniform. Our city (let alone our country) has a pretty mixed bag of people in our society, which I'm sure in Sweden, with a lower populace, there are lower amounts of those people and probably less cases like whats going on here. They did do a good job restraining them. He was probably having a panic attack[/QUOTE] I have seen this argument in every discussion where some (European) country has done something better than US. This mentality blocks improvement. Also Sweden has couple of densely populated cities/urban areas with more than million of people and plus to that, Sweden has a "immigration problem" with a lot immigration related crime and some really violent city districts...
send american cops to scandinavia for training, like how toyota sent its american factory workers to japan to learn how to build cars
0:11 "until the "REAL" Police arrived" Rude...
[QUOTE=Code3Response;47593776]It boils down to two differences: 1. Sweden has a national police force. 2. Because of that, they can have country regulations. in the US its impossible to have a national police force because the power lies in the states; and even then the states are handcuffed by cities. Also because of that the US cannot regulate nationally the requires for a police officers. A safe bet is the more north you go in the US, the better policing you are going to have because those states do have advanced education requirements. If you want shit-teir policing, go visit California, New Mexico, Arizona, Texas, Florida, and Louisiana. In those states which have the advanced education requirement, most-all have [I]at least[/I] a 4-year degree and are older than 24. I think the average age of hire for my department is 26 with a 4-year.[/QUOTE] Currently in police academy for Florida and you're fucking high if you think the standard is low. You need 3 years college or military. FDLE academy which is 20 weeks 40 hours a week. 8 weeks agency training. 2 months of FTO which is being baby sat on the job, after all that you're finally a cop. Not to mention the higher education incentives most cops I've met have completed their bachelors degree whilst working 40 hour weeks.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;47593776]It boils down to two differences: 1. Sweden has a national police force. 2. Because of that, they can have country regulations. in the US its impossible to have a national police force because the power lies in the states; and even then the states are handcuffed by cities. Also because of that the US cannot regulate nationally the requires for a police officers.[/QUOTE] The US cannot federally regulate state and local law enforcements' hiring policies. That has nothing to do with us having a national police force or not. Did you just totally forget about interstate crime? FBI, DEA, ATF, US marshals, and really the DOJ as a whole... we have several national police forces which enforce federal law, often without the permission or assistance of staties. I figured as a cop, you would know that.
Love how the other guy yelling "I CANT BREATHE!!1111" mellows down when those cops treated him well. Seems like he was indeed shit-stirring.
[QUOTE=Ccharlton;47594470]Currently in police academy for Florida and you're fucking high if you think the standard is low. You need 3 years college or military. FDLE academy which is 20 weeks 40 hours a week. 8 weeks agency training. 2 months of FTO which is being baby sat on the job, after all that you're finally a cop. Not to mention the higher education incentives most cops I've met have completed their bachelors degree whilst working 40 hour weeks.[/QUOTE] "safe bet" as in most of the southern states the minimum is 18 with HS diploma (or equiv). Obviously theres exceptions. I was talking just for licensure, not for actual working environments. I could never understand Flordia's academy. People pay themselves to go through it and that is crazy for me to think. [QUOTE=Snowmew;47594498]The US cannot federally regulate state and local law enforcements' hiring policies. That has nothing to do with us having a national police force or not. Did you just totally forget about interstate crime? FBI, DEA, ATF, US marshals, and really the DOJ as a whole... we have several national police forces which enforce federal law, often without the permission or assistance of staties. I figured as a cop, you would know that.[/QUOTE] None of those are not police forces- Not like Sweden's. When the feds start doing "typical" police grind work, then I will agree with you. Each have their place when the resources of the states are not enough.
[QUOTE=0x0000000C;47594568]Love how the other guy yelling "I CANT BREATHE!!1111" mellows down when those cops treated him well. Seems like he was indeed shit-stirring.[/QUOTE] Or, as said before, was hyperventilating until calmed.
[QUOTE=notlabbet;47594225]send american cops to scandinavia for training, like how toyota sent its american factory workers to japan to learn how to build cars[/QUOTE] I'd be down for it.. if the funding was there. People want cameras without changing a budget.. how the hell are you going to pay for international flight and training.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;47594621]None of those are not police forces- Not like Sweden's. When the feds start doing "typical" police grind work, then I will agree with you. Each have their place when the resources of the states are not enough.[/QUOTE] Do you need some conditioner? Your hairs are splitting pretty badly. My point is that us having a national police force to the extent you're describing is impossible, as is us federally regulating a state police force, but we still have federal ("national") police forces. However, your claim that we can't federally regulate state police forces [i]because[/i] we don't have a national police force is incorrect.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;47594630]I'd be down for it.. if the funding was there. People want cameras without changing a budget.. how the hell are you going to pay for international flight and training.[/QUOTE] Would probably be cheaper to send some trainers to the US instead of the other way around. Or hell, send a few people over to scandinavia to go through the same program that the trainers go through.
[QUOTE=LSK;47593170]You think NYC is a small city?[/QUOTE] Well, living in NYC, one could say it is some-what small. I'm talking about how small it is compared to how dense the populace is. Compared to the entire state, the city is rather small, but the population is massive. [QUOTE=oskutin;47594016]I have seen this argument in every discussion where some (European) country has done something better than US. This mentality blocks improvement. Also Sweden has couple of densely populated cities/urban areas with more than million of people and plus to that, Sweden has a "immigration problem" with a lot immigration related crime and some really violent city districts...[/QUOTE] I'm not denying that Sweden has its own problems, but I'm saying that you can't really say one is better than the other because both areas, as much as the problems stem from common causes, have different ways of being shown and the police have different ways of handling such things. Why I initially posted that was aimed towards those that thought "Oh, they did a better job than the NYPD because they're foreigners!" or "Wow, foreign cops that don't kill black people, shocker!" and other bullshit like that. Because that, is truly the mentality that blocks improvement. I hate that people in my own city, or other people in the US criticize our law enforcement by comparing them negatively to foreign police forces that obviously have different policies, a different set of problems and a different set of how they do things. Its just another excuse by someone with a "Fuck the police" mentality to further shit on the reputation of police officers. They see a couple cases of aggression/powertripping/murder by some officers and suddenly the entire NYPD is down the shitter.
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